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Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first?
    #26425428 - 01/09/20 08:59 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Is it actually possible to become dependent on tryptamines?

I realize the side effects would eventually become very overwhelming.

But, people can obsess over anything.

Food
Sex
Gambling
Video games
Sugar

Has anyone ever known of anyone who became dependent on any kind of tryptamines?

The tolerance builds so fast It seems to me that eventually you would start losing your mind just because of the huge doses you would need to take.

Me personally, after a hard trip I dont want to do anything mild altering for a while.

But with such a long history of human usage.....
Im sure somebody has......?
Or ended up on a funny farm because of it....?


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26425502 - 01/09/20 09:45 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Addiction and dependence are too different things. Oh will not get withdrawals from psychedelics.
Shrooms should be respected and used with caution, a simple handful of these mushrooms can send certain people too the loney bin for the rest of their lives


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26425584 - 01/09/20 10:42 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I mean, ketamine is a psychedelic, people certainly can/do become dependent on it.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26425605 - 01/09/20 11:03 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Nope ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic, and is nothing like any tryptamine ive ever tried.

Not a very good comparison... I don't think it is possible to form a dependence to trytamines, mentally maybe, but very unlikely.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26425635 - 01/09/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I didn't say it was a tryptamine.
I said it was a psychedelic.

Is ketamine a psychedelic?

dissociative psychedelic
Ketamine is a dissociative psychedelic used medically as a veterinary and human anaesthetic. It is one of the few addictive psychedelics and is associated with researcher John Lilly.
Erowid Ketamine Vault
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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26425661 - 01/09/20 11:42 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Lol the thread is about tryptamines?

Ketamine has a completely different mechanism of action.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26425668 - 01/09/20 11:49 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

fair enough


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 3
    #26425744 - 01/10/20 12:56 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Obsessing over tryptamines is not inherently negative in character. Maybe one simply wants to understand as much as possible. I do not think a consequential dependence is possible like in the case of Nicotine or Alcohol. I am beginning to see tryptamines as another entity. It teaches you things in one way or another. There is potential for a unique relationship to develop. Nonetheless, it is a tool, and is as such, capable of being used or abused.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: sideroxylon]
    #26425794 - 01/10/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

No, it is not possible to become physically dependent on tryptamines. However, it is certainly possible to become psychologically dependent on any enjoyable experience, although I wouldn’t really call this “dependance”


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26425820 - 01/10/20 02:15 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

"No, it is not possible to become physically dependent on tryptamines."

But do we actually know that?

Dosing everyday would probably lead to problematic psychological symptoms before youd be able to abuse them long enough to get physical dependence symptoms.

Youd have to be either very mentally strong or very stupid to be able to dose every day for months without wanting to stop.

Maybe its possible but the psychological and emotional aspects get in the way?

Certain people are predisposed to become dependent on certain things because it does something for them for fills some kind of gap in their life.

Xanax is a pretty seductive thing if you are an anxious person.

Most of the seriously schizophrenic people Ive known have a big thirst for drink.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #26426020 - 01/10/20 05:37 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Never heard of someone becoming addicted. They start to lose their magic when taken back to back anyway. Most people can't stay in that headspace for long periods of time consecutively.

Or I'm not sure why you'd even want to. Studies show their is no reason to concern over addiction - and if you actually take mushrooms you can see why.

I love the things.. but I gotta have big breaks between dosing. It's not a pleasure drug. Cocaine and whatnot, people won't think twice and put it up their nose - mushrooms on the other hand, that shit takes some considerations and grabbing your balls and manning up.

Just my opinion.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26426467 - 01/10/20 12:52 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I don’t think you could become physically addicted.  I reckon you could get ‘dependent’ mentally, especially if they’re a substitute for something missing in your life. And if you’re young, don’t reckon extended overuse is mentally that healthy for a growing brain. I nearly ended up in a psychiatric hospital, my best friend became paranoid schizophrenic - lost him overnight :-(

So I from my own personal experiences only would recommend caution with tryptamines.

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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26426533 - 01/10/20 01:16 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Tolerance is so quick its pretty difficult. After sometime you are just eating shrooms for calories lol.

But this reminds me of True Hallucinations. Mckennas book about when he went to the Amazon. They were eating shrooms daily and got pretty spun so who knows.



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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26426552 - 01/10/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Nice one, thank you. Think I’ve watched the YouTube video, over three hours! I’ve read Food of the Gods. And yes, they lost it. They were same age more or less as me when I lost it, 20, 21 years old! Too young for heavy use; besides, you haven’t grown too rigid in your thinking for them to be as amazing as they are when you get older!

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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26426556 - 01/10/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I've done shrooms daily for extended periods
Tolerance is debatable imo.

You may go crazy but no physical dependance.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26426609 - 01/10/20 01:53 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

If anything, tryptamines are anti-addictive in that they generally cause their users to use them less rather than more. Many years ago, there were some people on here who used very large doses frequently, and went off their rocker a little, but in the long run they all stopped doing that. Tryptamine psychedelics tend to cause people to use them less over time rather than more as a general rule.

LSD might be different because LSD is a stimulant which binds to dopamine receptors, and anything that binds to and activates dopamine receptors tends to be at least a little compulsive. However, I think this is probably balanced by its psychedelic side, leading users to use LSD more often than tryptamines but still avoid addiction.

Ketamine is a dissociative, not a psychedelic. Psychedelics like tryptamines bind to 5ht2a for their effects, ketamine does not. In fact many people consider dissociatives to be the opposite of psychedelics.

5HT2A activation in general might actually be aversive rather than addictive.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: nooneman]
    #26426631 - 01/10/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Ketamine is definitely psychedelic. It can create some of the wildest trips.
I know it's classed as a dissociative anaesthetic, but it is also psychedelic. If you just have a bit of a search around the internet you'll find the same answer explained in other ways too.  :peace:


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Northerner]
    #26426665 - 01/10/20 02:26 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Tryptamine is a chemical classification.  Ketamine is not a tryptamine.\


Psychedelic is a broader drug classification that relates to the user's experience. Ketamine is definitely psychedelic, but its chemical/biological action is much different from tryptamines.


So to the original question, no it is not possible to become dependent on tryptamines from a chemical standpoint.  Some people, however, are addicted to altered mind states in general, and tryptamines may be included in their pursuit of an ever altered perception.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26426769 - 01/10/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Psychedelics in general are anti-addictive. You can become obsessed with anything, even music or eating healthy, water, sleep, anything, doesn't mean you're addicted, and there's nothing wrong with dependency imo so long as it isn't a detrimental habit. I took Aya daily/near daily for 4 years, then i realized i needed a break, so i took a 4 year and continuing break. Psychedelics are self-regulating, even a heavy user will eventually take a break. Heck i can barely even bring myself to take a Psychedelic anymore, much less Cannabis.


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Re: Is it actually possible to become depenent on Tryptamines?? Or would you just lose your mind first? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26426775 - 01/10/20 03:40 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Personally speaking, obviously the tolerance build up is a problem (relevant when I was 20 and wanted to trip every week), but I think for me the limiting factor that is anti-addictive, is the anxiety.

My hypothesis is that unless there are people who do not actually get the before-dosing anxiety and the come-up anxiety, then this anxiety will stop anybody getting “addicted”.

Just my half-baked not well researched thoughts,
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