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Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice.
    #26424538 - 01/09/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys, so I’ve been growing cubensis a few months and learned a lot of the basic cult stuff, and I want to get into edibles and depending how it goes possibly expand into selling them because there are a ton of farmers market/festival things around my area.

I live in a desert so it’s always dry, right now it’s around 50 during the day but soon it’ll get up to 105+ daily during summer.

From my limited research oysters seem to be the best beginner mushroom so my plan was to just go buy one and clone it but I’m thinking I might want to get my hands on warm and cold weather cultures so I can switch off during winter and summer.

I have a SAB and agar, but I’ve only run wbs to coir tubs so far.

If you guys have any advice or links I’d appreciate it. I have a large pressure cooker arriving in a few weeks so I’m trying to get ready by then.

I have a heater/ac in my growroom but it seems like I need a humidifier for these.
Also what makes the best spawn and substrate? I’ve heard of people growing gourmets on spent cube subs.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424599 - 01/09/20 12:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Id check out a good bucket straw tek to start off. Blue oysters will fruit from cold to medium heat so great for indoor but the higher temps will make them white. Colder temps make them a dark cobalt. Make sure you harvest before they drop their spores. They drop huge spore loads and can give you serious lung infections.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424669 - 01/09/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You will need a grow tent/martha/fruiting area, unless you want to do outside seasonal grows such as with logs. What do you have available? What do you know about that? Oysters will not grow the same as cubes did for you. And you don't want to pipe the exhaust from the fruiting area into your house as Oyster spores can cause horrible allergies often called spore lung. They drop a boat load of spores. Oysters also need a ton of FAE.

You will want a flow hood if you are wanting to sell commercially. SAB's just don't have the protection from contams that Laminar Flow will give for a Business level grow. But hey use your SAB while you get everything together to learn as you go.

You don't want an AC directly in your fruiting chamber. The Spore load will destroy it in short order. Think cooling the room the fruiting chamber is in. And you really don't want a heater directly in the fruiting chamber either because you will want high humidity. Electricity and water don't mix. How are you thinking of doing that and putting it all together?

Best Substrate for Oysters is considered 50/50 HWFP/Soy Hulls aka Masters Mix. Straw is also often used with Oysters. Or HWFP/Wheat bran/Gypsum, and so if you can't find soy hulls you have other options. Best substrate kinda depends on what you can get imo.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: seagu]
    #26425123 - 01/09/20 05:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just go slowly. Lol. Slow...With Oysters.

I'm doing a similar thing really. But I've grown some reishi and shiitake and just now doing oysters due to the concerns with sporelung.

That is not a joke. Be extremely vigilant, and you will be good!


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #26425188 - 01/09/20 06:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Check out some bag teks! Supplemental sawdust works pretty good, you can find people fruiting them out of bags and think even some monos and such. Oysters are pretty aggressive and seem to fruit pretty easily




King oysters on coco coir, first pic is cased with potting soil second pic is uncased. Both are regular shoeboxes just removed the lid when pins formed


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #26425193 - 01/09/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow I didn’t realize the sporeload was that crazy.

I’m open to suggestions for a better option to start out with, I had just done some quick research and oysters seemed like a good point to jump in.

I was thinking shiitake originally but somebody mentioned it takes months and months.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26425194 - 01/09/20 06:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Check out some bag teks! Supplemental sawdust works pretty good, you can find people fruiting them out of bags and think even some monos and such. Oysters are pretty aggressive and seem to fruit pretty easily




King oysters on coco coir, first pic is cased with potting soil second pic is uncased. Both are regular shoeboxes just removed the lid when pins formed




That’s awesome I didn’t know you could run tubs with coir for them. I always see big bags of sawdust blocks I think. Looks like I have more reading to do


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26425201 - 01/09/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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DnDRnD said:
Check out some bag teks! Supplemental sawdust works pretty good, you can find people fruiting them out of bags and think even some monos and such. Oysters are pretty aggressive and seem to fruit pretty easily




King oysters on coco coir, first pic is cased with potting soil second pic is uncased. Both are regular shoeboxes just removed the lid when pins formed




That’s awesome I didn’t know you could run tubs with coir for them. I always see big bags of sawdust blocks I think. Looks like I have more reading to do




That was just standard oats to coir, overall yield probably wasn't as good as supplemented saw dust bags though


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26425315 - 01/09/20 07:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of yield did you get? And how long from spawn to pins/harvest?

Shoeboxes are my main thing for cubes so i already know how to manipulate conditions in them in my growroom so I’m pretty interested in this.

Think I’ll prob go to the store and try to find one to clone just to mess around with til my cooker comes.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26425367 - 01/09/20 08:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, the spore load on Oysters is not scary thing. You just need to not exhaust into your living space. It is quite common to grow Oysters in houses. Usually people just pipe it outside. And you wouldn't get a big yield on a tub like he is doing, for a business grow as you are talking of doing. Shoeboxes, laundry baskets and the like and all that just won't yield that much for Oysters. Oysters are definitely a great place to start with Gourmet. Blues are really popular and taste great. Read up on doing Bags like you seen others using. 2 really great Video channels to watch are Mossy Creek Mushrooms and Myers Mushrooms on youtube. Those two channels will get you started and walk you through A LOT. Andrew from Mossy does I think 1 ton of substrate a week or month or something like that. So he knows his mushrooms. And breaks down a lot of important info. And Mike from Myers has tons of step by step walk you through how to build everything videos. And if you search Gr0wer here on shroomery you can find Myers Mushrooms grow builds and all that too.



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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: seagu]
    #26425421 - 01/09/20 08:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome thank you.

Yeah I was planning on doing some small runs to learn what they like and then from what I’ve seen with larger grows scale up with larger bags or blocks.

Those videos sound perfect.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26425451 - 01/09/20 09:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Do your own research on the spore deal. It's really our own responsibility to check things, right?

When I checked into it, it mildly sketched me. Enough so that until now, when I have friend certified non sporing oysters, I am growing them.

And I am still going to get a mask because it's definitely recommended by full time oyster growers, and I could be a little paranoid.

But man, this Blue is growing fast!


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #26425522 - 01/09/20 09:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yea NP. Honestly, you will want to do some small grows to get your feet wet and learn the ropes. The ins and outs on each thing you are doing. The limits. Nobody covers all the details. So you will want to cover them yourself by doing the small grows. If that makes sense. Because book knowledge is not the same as real world experience. Its just not. And so you don't want to have this massive grow and then be caught with your pants down because you went off book knowledge and not real world experience.

So, that brings me to my next advice. like someone else said above, start small. Grow enough for 1 customer, then go find that one customer. Don't grow too much too quick otherwise what happens if you can't find enough customers quick enough...... Basically let your business grow organically is how some of the more experienced growers have said over the years. Otherwise chances are you will fail. Unless you have plenty of money to throw away while you sort it out.

You will have a lot to read and learn. A LOT. Growing mushrooms is easy but on a business level its a whole other ball game of knowledge and that takes time.

On the spore load. With proper safety you can do it. Wear a face mask when going into your grow tent basically. You will see the growers in the two channels I gave you talk about them and wear them. Definitely read up about it like ShroomyToons said. The face mask will help prevent you from developing an allergy to it. I am sure you can use the search on shroomery to read all about it. Check out RR talking about it. Seriously, do a search for RR talking about spore lung and himself.

Yea you will want to pretty much watch all their videos on Mushrooming, even if you don't think you need the topic in the video at the time.... you will. heh.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: seagu]
    #26427162 - 01/10/20 07:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I started with bags of hard wood fuel pellets/bran/gypsum, but it is difficult to work with bags in an SAB. I cut two arm holes in my lid, put it on, then turn it on end so I have more vertical space to work with to spawn to sawdust bags. It worked fine, but I'm having some seemingly better success with 1:3 spawn:coco coir in a 1 gallon bucket with holes drilled in the side to fruit out of. The biggest learning curve so far for me has been getting all the FAE necessary, i've got a martha in a grow tent with fresh air piped in from outside, exhausted in to my weed tent through a pre-filter, and from there exhausted outside. I think I finally have it dialed in, with a circulation fan in the martha moving the air around and enough slits in the tent to provide FAE so they don't grow all leggy.

anyway, yeah I suggest doing a bucket type grow with basic substrate first just to get an idea of the oyster growth cycle and dial in your set up before going for the master mix and gunning for huge yields. I feel like I wasted my time with buying and learning bags and everything and not doing them to their full potential when I really just should have been learning the process. you can do 1 gallon buckets too, like ice cream pails and such, a 5 gallon home depot bucket is going to make a shitload of mushrooms. I have 4 1 gallon buckets going right now all pinning at once and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all these mushrooms! seems like it'd be strange to go door to door offering mushrooms to neighbors in the middle of winter.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: trubblesome]
    #26429228 - 01/12/20 07:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

TBH if you are in a dry climate, I would recommend starting with something other than oysters.  It's very difficult to get them enough FAE when they're in any sort of enclosed chamber.  So you're going to have to have a fairly open fruiting chamber, which you will constantly struggle to keep humid enough.

Not that it can't work, it just may not be as easy as you think.  Sure, anyone can grow oysters, but to grow GOOD oysters that aren't all stem is a bit more difficult.

Shiitake is fairly easy, just takes a long time.  Lions mane is pretty easy and doesn't require nearly as much air.

EDIT: I forgot about KING oysters.  Now that's a whole different kind of oyster.  They don't need much FAE at all.  If you don't mind supplementing and working with bran (meaning you have to spawn in the SAB) that's the way to go.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: Forrester]
    #26429486 - 01/12/20 10:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It’s sounding like lll need a grow tent probably then huh.

That’s good to know about the Kings, I’m in the SAB all the time dropping agar to jars so spawning should be ok, might need a bigger box though.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26429519 - 01/12/20 11:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cool thing about kings is you can grow them in monotubs.  Can't do that with regular oysters, unless you turn it on it's side and take the lid off.


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: Forrester]
    #26430303 - 01/12/20 08:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This dude grew nameko in a monotub on seemingly unsupplemented HWFP
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26271510/page/3


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: Jawn876]
    #26432722 - 01/14/20 08:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I just wanted to share another example of kings on coir.. oysters are pretty resilient.

I’ve gotten better yields using coir in a bag than a shoebox. However that’s just my experience


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Re: Going from cubes to oysters, need some advice. [Re: LotLizard]
    #26432755 - 01/14/20 08:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That’s pretty cool looking I’ve only ever seen then poking out of holes or tops of bags.

Isn’t that a lot of stem though? Or is that how kings are.


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