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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431446 - 01/13/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Go watch the movie "Brokeback Mountain".
how do you feel about gay roles being given to straight actors?


figure you, as with a few of the "older" gay crowd around here likely lived through a lot more risk and violence compared to the relative issues that (presumably predominately non-gay) people push for now
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431489 - 01/13/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Total sense a word gets hijacked, made to mean something it doesn’t, and then becomes banned. We’re really moving mountains with our freedom and wealth.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex] 2
#26431530 - 01/13/20 02:54 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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When straight men use the word fag with each other in jest, it's 'talking shit' to or 'taking the piss out ov' each other in an obliquely literal sense as it's affecting the perceived insecurities resident in one's anal emotional territorial circuit, using Leary and RAW's model. It's an attempt to playfully degrade one using a term that is insinuated(in-sin-you-ate-it) as being inferior. A fag becomes one who does not conform out ov fear, with the straight-bro attitude harboring the notion that diffidence implies it.
When gays say fag to each other, it is likewise a playful attempt at insult but ov a different nature. The fag to another gay is one who does conform to the stereotypes attributed to being homosexual. "You're such a fag" might be directed toward one who wears panties under his booty shorts while sipping on a cosmo with Absolut. To the straight, the fag is a non-conformist while to the gay he is a conformist.
Words carry malignant power only insofar as the perceiver warrants it through hir insecurities. Transcendence ov their triggering power relies on one's individualistic confidence. Just as the late Dick Gregory wanted to name a son Ni**er(the censorship needed due to the hypocritical nature ov the mod who most wants to see me banned) and raise him to be the greatest athlete in the world so that everyone would have to say the word ni**er, the power ov a word is nullified through the transparency ov individualism. The question ov to be or not to be is transformed into an exclamation when one is secure with hirself, the point being a defiance to offense itself like a period sprinkled on a fag zoomer's text response out ov spite. The table is thus turned upon the initial issuer ov the insult, hir understanding ov the word affecting that ov which is seen in hirself.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26431536 - 01/13/20 02:56 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I don't mind at all if a straight guy plays a gay guy. I know there is some controversy etc... but look at the pedo shit, that needs way more attention than any other drama going on in hollywood and the movie industry. I grew up in Texas, it was pretty bad. I didn't mess with a guy until I was 26 (as a kid I did it all the time with many other boys), and I didn't verbally tell anyone until I was 28.
@amanita: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fag
and this https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/67623
Some people (educated people that HATE homosexuality more than likely) probably kept using to vilify and degrade homosexual people and it was probably from this meaning:
a. A faggot (sense A. 1a), used in the burning alive of people regarded as heretics; (hence by metonymy, in singular with the) this method of execution. Also, esp. in to carry (also bear) a faggot and variants: a punishment in which a person regarded as a heretic, or a person who has recanted heresy, must publicly carry a faggot for a certain time as a mark of shame
It's been used for centuries as a derogatory word, so let that sink in.
a. Chiefly Irish English, Scottish, and English regional. derogatory. A woman, esp. one considered to be troublesome, useless, or slatternly; frequently with modifying adjective, as old faggot, lazy faggot, etc. Often as a term of abuse or contempt. Occasionally also with reference to a man or an animal.
b. English regional (southern and south-eastern), Scottish, and Irish English (northern). A naughty or mischievous child, esp. in young faggot, little faggot, etc. Frequently as a term of rebuke or reproach.
c. slang (originally and chiefly North American). Frequently derogatory and offensive. A homosexual man, sometimes spec. one considered to be effeminate; (occasionally) a lesbian. Also more generally: any man considered to be effeminate; (as a term of abuse or contempt) a weak or cowardly man or boy; a sissy.
Care for more?
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#26431544 - 01/13/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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are you sure they're gay? they could just be 90's kids
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: 1uptoadstool]
#26431553 - 01/13/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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1uptoadstool said: are you sure they're gay? they could just be 90's kids
...who have been in a coma for 15 years?
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431556 - 01/13/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yes.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: Amanita86]
#26431565 - 01/13/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Then look up the links I posted.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431585 - 01/13/20 03:15 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Here’s a few non-offensive ones. Some of these I didn’t know about, you could say my understanding of the word is very “American”..
Definition of fag (Entry 1 of 6) intransitive verb : to work hard : TOIL transitive verb : to tire by strenuous activity : EXHAUST fagged by the strenuous climb fag noun (1) Definition of fag (Entry 2 of 6) 1 chiefly British : TOIL, DRUDGERY it is such a fag; I came back tired to death — Jane Austen 2 : DRUDGE sense 1 fag noun (2) Definition of fag (Entry 3 of 6) : an English public-school boy who acts as servant to an older schoolmate fag verb (2) fagged; fagging; fags Definition of fag (Entry 4 of 6) intransitive verb : to serve as a fag (see FAG entry 3) especially in an English public school fagging for older boys during his first year
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: Amanita86]
#26431646 - 01/13/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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All of those have negative implications, if you're trying to make the point that it's OK to use the word and not be offensive, it is not ok even to what you posted, what's your point?
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431680 - 01/13/20 03:52 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Idk ask japan cos they are the ones who decide who is gay... Watching yaoi south park episode hahaha
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26431714 - 01/13/20 04:18 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: All of those have negative implications, if you're trying to make the point that it's OK to use the word and not be offensive, it is not ok even to what you posted, what's your point?
Werent you offended by all the vaginas in peoples sigs, so you started posting dicks?
Also did you assume my sexuality when I said the word fag? Seemed so.
Getting up in arms about a word is self righteous crap. You chose to take that personally, yet did not personally address me upon casting your opinion.
If we cut every single word out of our vocabulary that offended someone, wed be back to grunting at eachother without makong eye contact. Theres way way more important issues that directly effect an individual than someone saying fag in a context that doesnt even apply to you.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: vandago]
#26431722 - 01/13/20 04:25 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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vandago said:
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tyrannicalrex said: All of those have negative implications, if you're trying to make the point that it's OK to use the word and not be offensive, it is not ok even to what you posted, what's your point?
Werent you offended by all the vaginas in peoples sigs, so you started posting dicks?
Also did you assume my sexuality when I said the word fag? Seemed so.
Getting up in arms about a word is self righteous crap. You chose to take that personally, yet did not personally address me upon casting your opinion.
If we cut every single word out of our vocabulary that offended someone, wed be back to grunting at eachother without makong eye contact. Theres way way more important issues that directly effect an individual than someone saying fag in a context that doesnt even apply to you.
Well that’d be true if there were no one who experienced legitimate trauma while being called the f word. If someone was stabbed while being called “x” and developed PTSD, “x” can trigger flashbacks. Just an example.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: feldman114]
#26431738 - 01/13/20 04:39 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ive been called retarded more times than I could ever count, sometimes in the middle of hate filled arguments and even actual physical fights. Despite having mental issues, I dont use that word as a grounds to start further disputes...it gives that word power it doesnt need to have.
If a person using that word does not use it as a dagger, than that person is just speaking as they would normally speak. If the person is using it to strike a chord, they could easily use thousands of other words to imply the same insult. Its just retarded if you ask me.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: feldman114] 1
#26431739 - 01/13/20 04:40 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Hey hey hey.. there is only one "f word". It is fuck. It has always been known as THE f word. We're not about to change that now. Kindly find another way to tiptoe around saying "fag".
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#26431752 - 01/13/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Basically it’s to take some of the pain away from the slur. Like other offensive terms designed to hurt a certain race or gender or group of people. So that’s why they use it on each other but it’s offensive when directed at them. One use is designed to mute the term, one use is designed to attack or demean.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: vandago]
#26431949 - 01/13/20 06:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Also did you assume my sexuality when I said the word fag? Seemed so.
nope.
Weren't you offended by all the vaginas in peoples sigs, so you started posting dicks?
Nope. I did a social experiment on it and it was highly successful and exposed a lot of hypocrisy.
Getting up in arms about a word is self righteous crap. You chose to take that personally, yet did not personally address me upon casting your opinion.
I used your part of the post as an example. I have seen you post for years and I like you man. This is where tone, inflection, gestures, and body language are lost and that can skew someones interpretation of a post. I didn't "get up in arms". I was stating how I felt about the use of that word. Please feel free to post it as much as you like, I will point out it is offensive. And by all means please go around calling every single person of color the N word, post results!
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26432047 - 01/13/20 07:52 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I like how you jump around key points in a debate to...stroke...your own agenda.
Im not going to take your words out of context and use them as a high horse ( kinda what this whole thread is about ). Im also not even going to answer your last little jab which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread other than to de rail it.
I try to accept you for who you are based on your posts, but theyre pretty faggy if you ask me.
Is faggy ok?
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: vandago] 2
#26432134 - 01/13/20 08:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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LOL, I wasn't jabbing, I almost PM'd you that, bad for me to do that I guess, but this is a perfect example of lost in typing conversation. Sure, fag away baby gay! You are known to do this though when making a strong point, and I accept that, like I said I like you man and wish you well.
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Re: What's with gay doodz referring to each other as "fags" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26432142 - 01/13/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I find this thread interesting. I have a coworker in his 60's that is gay and he finds fag acceptable but one of the other ones not acceptable. I told him I dont really find any of them tasteful
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