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Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox
    #26422862 - 01/08/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi everyone -

I have been reading and reading and making a plan for my first attempt. Actually my second attempt because the first inoculation did literally nothing - perhaps bad spores, but now it's going great.
I have 6 colonized .5 pint jars that look healthy and ready to go! I am very space limited  so would like to use shoeboxes that I can line up on a high shelf in a closet.

My plan is to:

- grate/crumble the cakes and mix them at a 1:2 (mycelium/substrate) ratio with compost that I bought online. I was out of town and didn't have time to make substrate myself so I bought a 5 pound bag from a popular supplier.

- I think I can fill 3 shoeboxes up between 3 and 4 inches this way. I have some extras just in case, but the idea is to make a nice mix and fill between 3 and 4 inches

- I will put the lids on (not tightly so a bit of air) and put them in the closet, which stays in the mid/low 70's with about 40% humidity all the time. hopefully it will colonize throughout the shoeboxes over time.

- I will check every few days, and depending on how things look will take the lid off and do a dubtub or shopping bag with holes it it and get some fruiting going.

- along the way, I will try and keep the humidity high mostly be checking for beads/droplets or just looking at it and misting if needed.

From all my reading, there are a million ways to go but this seems to be a simple approach for starters. Am I missing anything? Any advice mucho appreciated!!!!


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26422985 - 01/08/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like a plan.

Don’t worry about dub tubbing unless the mushrooms get that tall.

You prob won’t need to remove the lid either shoeboxes allow in enough with it on, ill sometimes leave one end unsnapped but that’s it.

I would also put a layer of sub about 1/3 inch deep on top once you mixed all the spawn up and level it.

Does the closet get light if it’s open?


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26423046 - 01/08/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi

Thanks for your reply !! some responses:

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Don’t worry about dub tubbing unless the mushrooms get that tall. Uou prob won’t need to remove the lid either shoeboxes allow in enough with it on, ill sometimes leave one end unsnapped but that’s it.




Got it, thanks. I have extra shoeboxes if they get really big but wont' worry about it unless needed.

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I would also put a layer of sub about 1/3 inch deep on top once you mixed all the spawn up and level it.




Will do!

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Does the closet get light if it’s open?.




There is a light on the ceiling that I can leave on 24/7, it's a fluorescent light but I was going to just replace it with a correct spectrum light. The only issue is that these shoeboxes will be up on a high shelf, which means much of the light will be coming from the side, at quite an angle. I was told that ambient light would be enough, and  also read that no light is needed at all. So, still trying to decide what to do there.

One question: if I am not dubtubbing, or anything , what is causing a transition from the colonization of the substrate into fruiting mode? My understanding was that it was the presence of some fresh air that mostly caused this but still not quite clear on that.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26423102 - 01/08/20 02:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you’re correct about fresh air being a fruiting trigger.

A lot of people have stopped doing spawn run colonization and started fruiting conditions immediately. It doesn’t seem to make a difference on yield and saves a few days usually.

Shoebox lids let in enough air to fruit even when they’re snapped shut, you’ll have to leave the lid off and wrap them in foil if you want to hold off on fruiting.

I’ve only ever grown with the light that comes through a window and been fine so I’m not much help with that, but if you put the right bulb in I’m sure it’ll be enough.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26423117 - 01/08/20 02:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Yeah you’re correct about fresh air being a fruiting trigger.

A lot of people have stopped doing spawn run colonization and started fruiting conditions immediately. It doesn’t seem to make a difference on yield and saves a few days usually.

Shoebox lids let in enough air to fruit even when they’re snapped shut, you’ll have to leave the lid off and wrap them in foil if you want to hold off on fruiting.

I’ve only ever grown with the light that comes through a window and been fine so I’m not much help with that, but if you put the right bulb in I’m sure it’ll be enough.




Interesting, ok. I like your less dogmatic approach to this and thanks for not just telling me to read the TEK :smile: Most of the tek is contradictory anyways.

A follow up question:

I just assumed that allowing the spawn to colonate the substrate further would increase yield. If this isn't the case, would it not be just as good to allow the cakes to just fruit standing in perlite/vermiculite? I mean, what is the point of the bulk casing if not to increase yield?

Or, are you saying that the yield might be better with bulk, but leaving it for a week to colonize isn't going to increase it much.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26423172 - 01/08/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You’ll get way more from spawning them to bulk than as cakes, its just that you’ll get similar yields with the bulk whether or not you let it colonize or go right to fruiting.

I think somebody said it’s mainly because there’s so much more surface area in a tub that more pins can grow, and also it will still colonize the whole bulk sub.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424360 - 01/09/20 10:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Another question:

What about dunking the cakes or soaking them overnight? I see a lot of referenced to that, but it also seems like many people just skip it!


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26424384 - 01/09/20 10:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

For pf tek you need to dunk the brf cakes before fruiting.

With shoeboxes they’ll need water after each flush, some people just soak with the mister and some will dunk it for a couple hours.

I’ve been pouring enough water into the shoebox that it’s a couple inches deep and letting it sit around two hours then draining it.

Basically as long as you replenish the water you’ll be ok.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424793 - 01/09/20 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's done!

I now have 2 shoeboxes.  Each with 1.5 pints of nice looking mycellium mixed with 3 pints of compost, and covered with a thin layer of compost to top it off.

I notice that the lids don't fit well with these bins. They aren't the kind with the little clamp to hold it down - the lids just sort of pop on and not very nicely. So, I'm certain that some air will be creeping through the cracks. From what I've learned, this is probably food so I should just leave it alone - correct? Not sure how much air is the right amount of air!


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26424837 - 01/09/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome man now you just wait.

Enough air gets in with the lid closed for it to grow.

Once I see pins I usually unsnap one end of the lid but that’s about it.

You’ll be so glad you didn’t do only cakes in a few weeks here.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424855 - 01/09/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Awesome man now you just wait.

Enough air gets in with the lid closed for it to grow.

Once I see pins I usually unsnap one end of the lid but that’s about it.

You’ll be so glad you didn’t do only cakes in a few weeks here.




Awesome thanks.  Now to get them into the right place. They are going up in the closet, a high shelf. If I stack them, won't the light only get to one on the bottom? I am reading that the direction of the light and intensity is not all that important so long as there is some ambient light coming in to help bring it to fruit.

I have an expected lighting issue after finding out i can't change the bulb in my closet overhead light! errr....


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26424881 - 01/09/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could always get those little foot long led lights or a strip.

I don’t know a lot about light, I’ve alway just had whatever light came through the window and never had a problem even stacking them. The lids aren’t clear anyway so that shouldn’t matter. I would even say if you’re able to take them out and put them near sunlight for a little while every day or two that might work.

I only ever had one shoebox that I noticed anything light related. I had pins a couple inches tall and left the shoebox on a chair across the room from the window and the next day when I opened it they were all tilted towards the window.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26424895 - 01/09/20 03:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You could always get those little foot long led lights or a strip.

I don’t know a lot about light, I’ve alway just had whatever light came through the window and never had a problem even stacking them. The lids aren’t clear anyway so that shouldn’t matter. I would even say if you’re able to take them out and put them near sunlight for a little while every day or two that might work.

I only ever had one shoebox that I noticed anything light related. I had pins a couple inches tall and left the shoebox on a chair across the room from the window and the next day when I opened it they were all tilted towards the window.




Again I am reading contradictory things all over the place. I have noticed the most shoeboxes have opaque lids when I look at photos, and yet so many of them result in nice, upright flushes.

I think I'm going to put them under the 4000k LED and see how things go while I maybe do a bit more research.


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Re: Please provide feedback this (novice's) plan for PF jars fruiting in Shoebox [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26424940 - 01/09/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you mean what I just said about the pins leaning to the light that was only once out of like 20 shoeboxes, not sure why it happened.

All the others were straight up like you said.


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