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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26423207 - 01/08/20 03:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m not sure how Iran could know
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26423209 - 01/08/20 03:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are reportedly multiple Iraqi casualties but no US casualties.
Reminder that casualty can be something as simple as a headache from the loud noises.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods]
#26423217 - 01/08/20 03:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hopefully CNN is lying about Iran’s missile capability . Fuck, we have 60,000 troops in range .
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26423223 - 01/08/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GOP congressman said the briefing they got today the worst and most unprofessional military briefing he’s ever been a part of. He called it insulting.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: ballsalsa]
#26423230 - 01/08/20 04:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: There is a huge difference between assassinating a stateless terrorist and a state military leader in terms of potential consequences
There is a difference. Still, Iraq is occupied territory.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods]
#26423299 - 01/08/20 05:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I’m not sure how Iran could know
Me neither. Just saw a couple articles that said their state media was putting that out there.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Enlil] 6
#26423300 - 01/08/20 05:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Following the US airstrike that killed Iranian general Qasem Soleimani on January 3 and the Iranian missile strikes against US positions in Iraq on January 7, there has been considerable anxiety about war escalating between the US and Iran. In a media ecosystem driven chiefly by fear and outrage, bad news travels fast, and the worst interpretations of the news travel fastest of all. For my part, I expect that the war will escalate, but that it will take a more diffuse form than the sort of conventional war that most people expect. As an avowed foe of war and tyranny, I believe it is important to strategize accordingly.
After the missile strikes, the Iraqi government announced that the Iranian military had fired 22 missiles, and that 17 of them hit the Al-Asad airbase, 15 of which detonated - yet without any casualties. In a subsequent statement, the Iraqi government stated that Iranian officials had warned them of the attacks in advance. If this is true, it seems likely that the Iranian government was intentionally avoiding killing US troops while demonstrating that it is capable of hitting US targets. This is a way for the Iranian government to save face and placate hardliners, while leaving the United States the option of not further escalating the situation.
The real response to the US assassination of Soleimani will likely take place outside the official theater of war, in the form of proxy violence and terror attacks. Iran backs forces throughout the Mideast, especially in Iraq and Lebanon, where its proxy Hezbollah is arguably more powerful than the official government. Iraq and Syria have already seen many years of violence; now it seems inevitable that the whole stretch of territory from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean will be torn by civil war for years to come. The Islamic State, which lost the last of its territory less than a year ago, will be succeeded by other groups that have learned from its rapid rise and fall.
Despite widespread fears from Democrats that Trump is trying to start a war to distract from the (stalemated) impeachment proceedings or to manipulate the (already polarized) public ahead of the election, it seems clear that Trump isn’t seeking a conventional war with Iran. He wants to throw US military weight around without being drawn into ground operations. Taking a cue from Israel, he hopes to be able to order surgical airstrikes against high-ranking foreign adversaries without having to occupy another country; that way, he can get credit from his Islamophobic base for being tough, while perpetuating the paper-thin deception that he is “pulling America out of endless wars.”
The truth is that 21st-century war is going to look different than the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq. The conflict in Syria gives us a sense of what we can expect: a years-running civil war involving proxies representing most of the global power players, in which the distinctions between civilian and military are blurred on all sides. We will probably see more cases in which official state violence is performative, like yesterday’s Iranian missile strikes, while the real fighting and dying is done by proxies, paramilitary forces, and civilians.
The chief victims of Trump’s escalation will be civilians - like the 176 people from Iran, Canada, Ukraine, Sweden, Afghanistan, Germany, and Britain who were on the crashed airplane. Yet it seems clear that Trump is not concerned about the likelihood that civilians may be targeted as a consequence of his decision. On the contrary, he may even welcome such attacks, counting on them to drive more fearful, ignorant Americans into his camp.
In response to the machinations of the Iranian and US governments, we should aim to identify and resist every effort to turn us against each other. We should aim to build solidarity across national, ethnic, and religious lines while doing everything we can to topple authoritarian governments from DC to Tehran. My hope is that revolutionary movements will break out on both sides of every border. Escalations in state violence are calculated to make this impossible - to substitute war for revolution. In a world headed towards ever more diffuse wars, goaded on by nationalist strongmen, our best chance of survival is to build ties between combative social movements like those in Lebanon, Egypt, and Iran - and not so long ago even in Russia and Turkey - and hopefully soon in the United States as well as in Hong Kong and Chile. Let us fight those who would make us die on their behalf, not each other.
This stands in stark contrast to the strategy implied by the approach of certain authoritarian leftists in the US, who, always looking for an authority to affirm, have settled on legitimizing the Iranian government. Let’s be clear: to do so is to spit on the graves of the 1500 people the Iranian government killed to put down the recent uprising. It is to legitimize all the prisons and police in Iran and every form of tyranny that Iranian people rose up against. We don’t have to affirm the legitimacy of the Iranian authorities to condemn Trump for attempting to goad them into targeting us. If there are any natural allies for us in this situation, it should be those who resist the authority of the Iranian government in the same way that we oppose Trump’s authority.
For my part, my network includes refugees who were forced to flee the authoritarian government of Iran. We can’t support “the lesser of two evils,” nor can we accept the sort of binary reasoning that suggests that whomever the US government opposes must therefore be a good and legitimate government. We stand with those in the Mideast who have declared that:
opposition to U.S. imperialism’s air strikes and war threats against Iran and Iraq can only be effective when rooted in solidarity with the progressive and revolutionary forces in the Middle East and North African region and full opposition to all the authoritarian governments and imperialist powers in the region.
I'd like to see others in Canada and the United States put more energy into learning about anti-authoritarian resistance movements in Iran and elsewhere in the Mideast, and less energy into trying to rehabilitate Soleimani as an “anti-imperialist” hero. Both sides that wish to force the false binary of “Trump or Iran” on us are symmetrical in that they are counting on the threat represented by the alternative to force us to side with them. We have to make another option thinkable: a shared road to freedom.
This is why I am against all wars, against all governments, against all oppression. I believe passionately in the potential that all human beings have for self-determination, mutual aid, and peaceful coexistence. The authorities on both sides would make us fear each other, but we know they are our chief enemy.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26423423 - 01/08/20 06:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big facts.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26423454 - 01/08/20 07:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Ran-D] 2
#26423521 - 01/08/20 07:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope, I intentionally left out the source. The text would have been received differently if it had been perceived as an article published by a niche anarchist media collective rather than a personal post by a forum member, and I made some slight modifications to better suit the thread.
Plagiarism focuses attention on content and away from incidental issues like who the author is, by making the genuine origins of the material impossible to ascertain. By signing a new name or no name at all to a text, the plagiarizer puts the material in an entirely new context and may generate new perspectives and new thinking about the subject.
Plagiarism also makes it possible to combine the best or most relevant parts of a number of texts, thus creating a new text with many of the virtues of the older ones - and some new virtues as well, since the combination of material from different sources is bound to result in unforeseeable effects and might well unlock hidden meanings or possibilities that have been dormant in the texts for years.
My use would also fall completely in line with the CrimethInc N©!
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The publishers, the notorious Crimethlnc. ex-Workers’ Collective, humbly put this book and all its contents at the disposal of those who, in good faith, might read, circulate, plagiarize, revise, and otherwise make use of them in the course of making the world a better place. Possession, reproduction, transmission, excerpting, introduction as evidence in court, and all other applications by any corporation, government body, security organization, or similar party of evil intent are strictly prohibited and punishable under natural law.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26423533 - 01/08/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wrote that
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26423535 - 01/08/20 07:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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And then I plagiarized it
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26423629 - 01/08/20 09:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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2) Although this may not always be possible (for example quoting from print only sources), when quoting a source provide a link. -------------------------
I understand though. People fall into a genetic fallacy. Me too, when I see the MSM links I am close to dismissiveness
Edit: great read....to much comment on
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Enlil] 1
#26424522 - 01/09/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said:
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ballsalsa said: There is a huge difference between assassinating a stateless terrorist and a state military leader in terms of potential consequences
There is a difference. Still, Iraq is occupied territory.
That’s the problem lol
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26424531 - 01/09/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom] 3
#26424593 - 01/09/20 12:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The article was cool, the attempt to justify plagiarism was a fail.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Ran-D] 1
#26424704 - 01/09/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: There’s video of the plane being shot down
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html
The missile didn’t destroy the plane in air. After it was hit, it continues flying for a minute or two before they lose control.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods] 1
#26424822 - 01/09/20 02:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trudeau and Johnson say they have intelligence Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner
They are entertaining the possibility this assault on civilians was unintentional.
Jesus Christ what a mess. Those people would not have died in a plane crash that day if Trump wouldn't have whacked General Salami, as his nickname seems to have become.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: JohnRainy]
#26424978 - 01/09/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can’t have a war without a little friendly fire .
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: JohnRainy]
#26425198 - 01/09/20 06:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was Iranian Ironman.
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