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OfflineNOUS333
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The Tao * 2
    #26423620 - 01/08/20 09:05 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I’ve been reading the translated version of the Tae Ti Ching I think it’s called.

I’m fuckin perplexed.

After quitting drugs and getting my shit together I adopted a life of constant motion and activity, Constant striving and desiring more leveling up.

Well I started reading about the Tao because everything I heard about that was associated with it lured me into ideas that were so natural and stress free, and lately I’ve been more stressed than ever and while I’m not doing drugs I’ve found myself dabbling In shitty foods and addictive sexual behavior, just have been finding it hard to be content with an empty mind. 

Now as I read about the Tao. It basically keeps saying you obtain peace and contentness by retreating.  Abandoning desire. Abandoning goals. Abandoning hope. Abandoning over action. Abandoning action altogether in some instances. Being water. Letting life flow by. Becoming an observer. Not participating. 

Now. The old me who smoked weed everyday all day and had no job would have flaunted this text to everyone who called my lifestyle into question.    I read it now and I’m like, ‘how the fuck am I ever gonna buy a house if I do what this says’. And in that question alone I’m showing desire and a goal.

I feel like this Tao thing is real. For sure. And I remember when I was in a state of mind I would say reminds me a lot of the way the Tao is described. I could see things in slow motion. See things before they happened.  I felt like I was seeing the world from a private vip only point of view. I saw the motivation in trivial garbage people eat up in mass.  I wonder if those in power are actively involved in preventing people from obtaining and observing the Tao. I wonder if they fear the power people may have if they truly could think for themselves and own their own minds

Something about constantly competing for a paycheck and more money completely makes people just give up their center, give up their own personal world,  their daily cognitive processes all revolving around someone else’s vision

Idk anyways

Tao. Interesting stuff.


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Re: The Tao [Re: NOUS333] * 4
    #26423656 - 01/08/20 09:40 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

The Chinese are very intelligent when it comes to spirituality and finding inner Peace. They know The Way.

Its a very different lifestyle in comparsion to Western culture. Closest lifestyle in Western culture would be Hippie Culture where you "flow" with the experience, very loose, organic, flowing, natural, stress-free. I believe some Hippies adopt Taoism for spiritual guideness.

Tao is also about finding the balance of Ying and Yang. Ying is about Peace, stillness, structure, letting it "Flow". Yang is about action, pursuit, function, Logic, energy.

Its best to balance both forces in your life. When u can balance action with stillness, that is what Ying and Yang is all about. Very abstract stuff but makes sense after you understand the concepts better.


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Re: The Tao [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26423805 - 01/09/20 12:33 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)



Good post LC


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Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


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Re: The Tao [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26423901 - 01/09/20 02:52 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

i dont get the feeling chinese culture is about any of this anymore. culture generally, actually


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Re: The Tao [Re: NOUS333]
    #26424019 - 01/09/20 06:31 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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NOUS333 said:
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Now as I read about the Tao. It basically keeps saying you obtain peace and contentness by retreating.  Abandoning desire. Abandoning goals. Abandoning hope. Abandoning over action. Abandoning action altogether in some instances. Being water. Letting life flow by. Becoming an observer. Not participating. 

Now. The old me who smoked weed everyday all day and had no job would have flaunted this text to everyone who called my lifestyle into question.    I read it now and I’m like, ‘how the fuck am I ever gonna buy a house if I do what this says’. And in that question alone I’m showing desire and a goal.
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There are several things to understand "around" the culture that generated the Tao Te Ching/Daodejing

formost to "help" you with this issue
it may benefit to further explore the concept of wu wei
literally this may translate to "doing nothing"; non-action; or my favourite "non-doing and nothing not done"
but it refers to the Daoist principle of natural action -- the idea that when the Ego is removed from activity, the human organism participates in the broader flow of Nature as a perfectly functioning piece

Water is a good example, because water does many things -- it can carve paths and split stones if they serve as obstruction
but it always does so by naturally flowing into the lowest place; the trickle that preceeds the flow may not accomplish much, but what it heralds may be massive change

with that laid out, it comes time for recognition of your "buy a house" comment
in this regard, it is important to comprehend that Daoism is expressly not interested in such things
while other traditions of withdrawl may have a householder-ascetic position, Daoism doesn't really
with legend pertaining to great Daoist masters who live in mountain caves and the like

the reason this was so readily able to be perpetuated and passed on in Chinese society (barring some extermination campaigns, but those mostly focused on Buddhism)
is because the social side of Chinese society was originally ordered by concepts of ancestor worship and fillial piety
which became codified through the work of Confucius who focuses his teachings on how to be a moral and "natural" citizen
in the social structures of society
this is things like learning to sacrifice your ego in favour of uninterrupted respect for and obedience to elders
essentially, it was almost as mirror of Daoist philosophy, but with the sentiment that the social world had it's own equivalent Natural laws

in Confucianism, the "buy a house" abstract goal becomes a natural course of action in the social sphere

it helps to examine both philisophical traditions in tandem to gain some comprehension of how they interplayed with each other through history

but if you are particularly interested in the Dao you may wish to move on to the work of Zhuangzi
while the Daodejing is very short and poetic in its work, much of Zhuangzi's input on the Dao and "free and easy wandering" is presented in a more prose-base with explanations and theoretical examples
Zhuangzi is the source of the famous "am I the man dreaming I am the butterfly or the butterfly dreaming I am the man" pondering


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Re: The Tao [Re: NOUS333] * 1
    #26424034 - 01/09/20 06:55 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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NOUS333 said:
I’ve been reading the translated version of the Tae Ti Ching I think it’s called.

I’m fuckin perplexed.

After quitting drugs and getting my shit together I adopted a life of constant motion and activity, Constant striving and desiring more leveling up.

Well I started reading about the Tao because everything I heard about that was associated with it lured me into ideas that were so natural and stress free, and lately I’ve been more stressed than ever and while I’m not doing drugs I’ve found myself dabbling In shitty foods and addictive sexual behavior, just have been finding it hard to be content with an empty mind. 

Now as I read about the Tao. It basically keeps saying you obtain peace and contentness by retreating.  Abandoning desire. Abandoning goals. Abandoning hope. Abandoning over action. Abandoning action altogether in some instances. Being water. Letting life flow by. Becoming an observer. Not participating. 

Now. The old me who smoked weed everyday all day and had no job would have flaunted this text to everyone who called my lifestyle into question.    I read it now and I’m like, ‘how the fuck am I ever gonna buy a house if I do what this says’. And in that question alone I’m showing desire and a goal.

I feel like this Tao thing is real. For sure. And I remember when I was in a state of mind I would say reminds me a lot of the way the Tao is described. I could see things in slow motion. See things before they happened.  I felt like I was seeing the world from a private vip only point of view. I saw the motivation in trivial garbage people eat up in mass.  I wonder if those in power are actively involved in preventing people from obtaining and observing the Tao. I wonder if they fear the power people may have if they truly could think for themselves and own their own minds

Something about constantly competing for a paycheck and more money completely makes people just give up their center, give up their own personal world,  their daily cognitive processes all revolving around someone else’s vision

Idk anyways

Tao. Interesting stuff.




Tao is just one piece of the puzzle. Every master and incarnation came at a time when humanity was most receptive to their specific message. in Hinduism there's all sorts of stuff about being wealthy and living in opulence as being totally normal and a healthy goal that doesn't interfere with spiritual ascent.


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Re: The Tao [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26424063 - 01/09/20 07:21 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Tao is also about finding the balance of Ying and Yang. Ying is about Peace, stillness, structure, letting it "Flow". Yang is about action, pursuit, function, Logic, energy.

Its best to balance both forces in your life. When u can balance action with stillness, that is what Ying and Yang is all about. Very abstract stuff but makes sense after you understand the concepts better.






Hey, LC. 
Just a friendly spelling correction here.....It's "Yin and Yang" not "Ying and Yang"

You may be thinking of the Ying Yang Twins...




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Re: The Tao [Re: 1234go] * 3
    #26424067 - 01/09/20 07:24 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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1234go said:

You may be thinking of the Ying Yang Twins...







Tao De Bling


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Re: The Tao [Re: yeah]
    #26424170 - 01/09/20 08:49 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Dilsnique said:
Quote:

1234go said:

You may be thinking of the Ying Yang Twins...







Tao De Bling



El oh el.

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NOUS333 said:
I’ve been reading the translated version of the Tae Ti Ching I think it’s called.

I’m fuckin perplexed.

After quitting drugs and getting my shit together I adopted a life of constant motion and activity, Constant striving and desiring more leveling up.

Well I started reading about the Tao because everything I heard about that was associated with it lured me into ideas that were so natural and stress free, and lately I’ve been more stressed than ever and while I’m not doing drugs I’ve found myself dabbling In shitty foods and addictive sexual behavior, just have been finding it hard to be content with an empty mind. 

Now as I read about the Tao. It basically keeps saying you obtain peace and contentness by retreating.  Abandoning desire. Abandoning goals. Abandoning hope. Abandoning over action. Abandoning action altogether in some instances. Being water. Letting life flow by. Becoming an observer. Not participating. 

Now. The old me who smoked weed everyday all day and had no job would have flaunted this text to everyone who called my lifestyle into question.    I read it now and I’m like, ‘how the fuck am I ever gonna buy a house if I do what this says’. And in that question alone I’m showing desire and a goal.

I feel like this Tao thing is real. For sure. And I remember when I was in a state of mind I would say reminds me a lot of the way the Tao is described. I could see things in slow motion. See things before they happened.  I felt like I was seeing the world from a private vip only point of view. I saw the motivation in trivial garbage people eat up in mass.  I wonder if those in power are actively involved in preventing people from obtaining and observing the Tao. I wonder if they fear the power people may have if they truly could think for themselves and own their own minds

Something about constantly competing for a paycheck and more money completely makes people just give up their center, give up their own personal world,  their daily cognitive processes all revolving around someone else’s vision

Idk anyways

Tao. Interesting stuff.




Tao is just one piece of the puzzle. Every master and incarnation came at a time when humanity was most receptive to their specific message. in Hinduism there's all sorts of stuff about being wealthy and living in opulence as being totally normal and a healthy goal that doesn't interfere with spiritual ascent.



Thats sort of what ive been telling myself as i read.  I think back when all of this was written it was much easier to just retire into the mountains and ponder life until death.  But, i can also see truth in wealth and desire causing a loss of the Tao or spirituality.  Ive been chasing money for a while now and it has been the most spiritually empty time of my life. I dont judge my own hurtful actions as much as i used to, i dont consider my social impressions as much, or other people as much in general. Ive pretty much adopted the scarface mentality of ‘the world is yours’ and while it has allowed me to bypass my own conscious and morals getting in the way of making money and getting hung up on doing things i dont agree with i feel like we have a conscious and morals for a reason... and i think many of us are ignoring them to ‘get ahead’ and the reward is an illusion that will probably never come for most of us. And in the end i fear the price we will pay for selling out on our good character to become a wealthy person whos become lacking in morals isnt going to be worth it. I imagine being surrounded by material stuff and things with no beautiful mind, a life full of negative emotions, problems and chaos. 

But at the same time i still dont want to be poor 

I think LC makes a good point about finding balance. I actually often find myself thinking about balance in my own life, and how hard it seems to find it among everything im involved in.


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Re: The Tao [Re: NOUS333]
    #26424182 - 01/09/20 09:00 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I forget the name of it, but my first exposure to the Tao was a translation of the Tao Te Ching that also included a bunch of writings & parables by Chuang Tzu. These writings & parables did a great job of bringing it all home & making the ideas more approachable. Wish I remembered the name of that book...


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Re: The Tao [Re: 1234go]
    #26424184 - 01/09/20 09:00 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Nice catch, i was thinking of that spelling and how its pronounced it sounds like "Ying" and not "Yin". Perhaps cauze i like dem rap songs :shrug:


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Re: The Tao [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26424190 - 01/09/20 09:05 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

It's easy to mix up.  I had it wrong for years.


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