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James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD
    #26423328 - 01/08/20 05:22 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

James "Whitey" Bulger, former Boston Irish mob boss who rose as high as #2 on the FBI's Most Wanted worldwide list.





(Top photo is actual photo of James Bulger; bottom photo is Johnny Depp playing James Bulger in the 2015 movie Black Mass)

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In 1957, while a prisoner at the Atlanta penitentiary, I was recruited by Dr. Carl Pfeiffer of Emory University to join a medical project that was researching a cure for schizophrenia. For our participation, we would receive three days of good time for each month on the project. Each week we would be locked in a secure room in the basement of the prison hospital, in an area where mental patients were housed. We went in from 9 a.m. Tuesday to 9 a.m. Wednesday. We were injected with massive doses of LSD-25.

In minutes the drug would take over, and about eight or nine men — Dr. Pfeiffer and several men in suits who were not doctors — would give us tests to see how we reacted. Eight convicts in a panic and paranoid state. Total loss of appetite. Hallucinating. The room would change shape. Hours of paranoia and feeling violent. We experienced horrible periods of living nightmares and even blood coming out of the walls. Guys turning to skeletons in front of me. I saw a camera change into the head of a dog. I felt like I was going insane.

The men in suits would be in a room and hook me up to machines, asking questions like: Did you ever kill anyone? Would you kill someone? Two men went psychotic. They had all the symptoms of schizophrenia. They had to be pried loose from under their beds, growling, barking and frothing at the mouth. They put them in a strip cell down the hall. I never saw or heard of them again. They failed the Babinski test.

Lots of tests that have caused me sleeping problems and nightmares to the present. They told us we were helping find a cure for schizophrenia. When it was all over, everyone would feel suicidal and depressed, wrung out emotionally. Time would stand still. I tried to quit, but Dr. Pfeiffer would appeal to me: “Please, you’re my best subject, and we are close to finding the cure.”

Years later, when I read the book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, which came out in 1979 and was written by State Department whistle-blower John Marks, I found out there was a CIA project code-named MK Ultra. The project was a violation of my rights, using prisoners for dangerous tests. I was angry reading that because I’d never mentioned how I felt hallucinating. I kept silent because I thought they might commit me to a mental institution.

I never slept more than two or three hours a night, waking up in cold sweats with side effects. The tests damaged my sleep and gave me nightmares. I had to sleep with the lights on and only for a few hours at a time. The government used us and never tried to help us out after injecting us with government LSD. I’ve had brain scans that told me I was damaged by the tests. The government did a number on us and walked. If anybody opened a shop selling LSD in my neighborhood he would have lost his life.





https://www.ozy.com/true-story/whitey-bulger-i-was-a-guinea-pig-for-cia-drug-experiments/76409/

Bulger wrote this from prison in 2017. He was murdered in prison in 2018.

I wonder how much they dosed him with?

He obviously didn't have the enlightening, profound, life changing experience that some would have hoped for.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Niffla]
    #26423460 - 01/08/20 07:06 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26423483 - 01/08/20 07:21 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I mean he was already fucked up in the head

probably made him a smarter criminal


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: cannabinated]
    #26423652 - 01/08/20 09:37 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I’ll admit that when he got transferred to WV and cancelled out within hours I chuckled a little bit.  I know I should be more sympathetic but it was sort of like, how do I say this... like when your team scores a touchdown first kickoff of the game..  I’ve been by that prison.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86]
    #26423750 - 01/08/20 10:40 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Everything they did, from set and setting, administration, follow up, integration, education, was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

You abuse anybody with anything for the first time, and they're going to be left with the impression that nothing good may come of it.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26423799 - 01/09/20 12:05 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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James "Whitey" Bulger, former Boston Irish mob boss who rose as high as #2 on the FBI's Most Wanted worldwide list.








OMG OMG OMFG!

 


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18348908/fpart/1/vc/1

It was the oirish mafia all along, and where's Esekan now? eh?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86]
    #26423803 - 01/09/20 12:24 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner]
    #26423818 - 01/09/20 12:58 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Ha ha fucking snitch


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26423861 - 01/09/20 02:08 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

My moms friend’s husband was murdered by Whitey Bulger


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner]
    #26423865 - 01/09/20 02:10 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:




I’ve done it too. It’s nothing special. Surprisingly, it still takes a bit of time to ramp up. You aren’t instantly tripping.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: koods]
    #26423919 - 01/09/20 03:10 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:




I’ve done it too. It’s nothing special. Surprisingly, it still takes a bit of time to ramp up. You aren’t instantly tripping.



Exactly my experience.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26424128 - 01/09/20 08:20 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Niffla said:
James "Whitey" Bulger, former Boston Irish mob boss who rose as high as #2 on the FBI's Most Wanted worldwide list.








OMG OMG OMFG!

 


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18348908/fpart/1/vc/1

It was the oirish mafia all along, and where's Esekan now? eh?







Omg it was Bulger who killed Esekon


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Niffla]
    #26424166 - 01/09/20 08:47 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

So the man got free drugs paid for by your taxes?

You guys should be outraged.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Patlal]
    #26424169 - 01/09/20 08:49 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I am outraged, where are my free drugs.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26424271 - 01/09/20 09:53 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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I am outraged, where are my free drugs.




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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner]
    #26424320 - 01/09/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:



How was it prepared?  I imagine you would need quite the baby syringe to shoot 200 or so mcg.  Was it suspended in any sort of fluid?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #26424329 - 01/09/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

No surprise that a ruthless murderer had terrible, hellish trips.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #26424340 - 01/09/20 10:31 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

He was probably a bad egg to begin with.  He was already locked up, I wonder what for.  I would guess his poor decision making, if you want to call it that, was already in there long before any trips came along.

Not an ideal terrain for hella psychedelic to run through.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86]
    #26424361 - 01/09/20 10:41 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I doubt they gave him LSD. What, they give him LSD and train him to kill for the Mob? I really doubt this story is true. Probably just trying to turn more people against the CIA.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #26424470 - 01/09/20 11:35 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

LOL

so rather than believing a proven conspiracy you want to make one up about turning the public against the CIA

The CIA needs no help with that


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26424539 - 01/09/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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No surprise that a ruthless murderer had terrible, hellish trips.




My first thoughts as well when I read his account.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Niffla]
    #26424578 - 01/09/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

LOL, it's proven that the CIA gave LSD to Whitey? No, and I don't see Whitey providing any evidence. Has he ever talked about this before? If not, then why would he, it seems like a major life event to just be completely silent about. Why didn't he bring it up at trial and plead insanity? Do you believe Whitey to be a credible person?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26424617 - 01/09/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

He worked with the government

The CIA was involved in this activity


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: cannabinated]
    #26424668 - 01/09/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah, but why did he never bring it up before? What evidence did he provide? Are there any witnesses? Just because you have government and CIA dealings doesn't mean that you were tortured with LSD. I mean it could have happened, but without any evidence why would anybody believe it happened? Sure, the CIA did some LSD experiments, I really doubt it was on Whitey though.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26424722 - 01/09/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Maybe he was told to say it but who cares anyway its old news

The history of this is well documented tho, even tho it was secretive. There were sooo many loose ends, and it fits in with the timeline.

why are u so adamant


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: cannabinated]
    #26424788 - 01/09/20 02:11 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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He worked with the government

The CIA was involved in this activity




He worked with government therefore they dosed him with LSD?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: koods]
    #26424799 - 01/09/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

If that’s the case it’s time to freshen up the ol’ resume’...:derfase:


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: koods]
    #26424821 - 01/09/20 02:21 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

My friend who drives trash trucks who is from Revere told me he used to have the bulgers on his route. They tipped $100 ( in the 90s!) to his crew for Xmas and always used thick black bags.

Truth

Also protip: mailpeople and trash people happily accept tips and may just cya some day. Cable and utility folks aren't as easy to sway so always good to check that you're not exposed from anywhere they might go as part of their job. Another friend of mine works in Telecom and says popo does yearly narc bolo trainings of the field workers.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner]
    #26424829 - 01/09/20 02:29 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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koods said:
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Northerner said:
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Amanita86 said:
Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:




I’ve done it too. It’s nothing special. Surprisingly, it still takes a bit of time to ramp up. You aren’t instantly tripping.



Exactly my experience.




Would DMT be instantaneous?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26424954 - 01/09/20 03:43 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

He worked with the government cause he had intel and leverage and they used him

this was all way before that....

I only mentioned that he worked with the government as a reason not to release info.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86]
    #26425047 - 01/09/20 04:45 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Not too many people IV LSD..:nojustno:



I've done it.  :sinister:



How was it prepared?  I imagine you would need quite the baby syringe to shoot 200 or so mcg.  Was it suspended in any sort of fluid?



Used a 1ml syringe, 2 strong wow tabs washed around in clean water, sucked dry and then the solution filtered. Still took a while come on, maybe 5 or 10 minutes.

This was some years ago now. I'm not so keen to break new boundaries by experimenting on myself anymore.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner]
    #26425063 - 01/09/20 04:54 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Does it have to go through some process like being converted in your liver making so that it had to cycle around for a little while delaying take off?  I’ve read dmt hit’s you like a freight train right out of the gate so it makes me wonder why LSD is different.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Amanita86]
    #26425139 - 01/09/20 05:39 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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I’ve done it too. It’s nothing special. Surprisingly, it still takes a bit of time to ramp up. You aren’t instantly tripping.



Exactly my experience.




Would DMT be instantaneous?



Done that too. I wouldn’t recommend. You’re zero to sixty in ten seconds and I didn’t even have time to push the full dose before I was incapacitated. The whole trip is over in 3 minutes.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: koods]
    #26425147 - 01/09/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

is god chill?


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: cannabinated]
    #26425151 - 01/09/20 05:46 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

There was nobody to meet me on the other side so I came back


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Niffla]
    #26425166 - 01/09/20 05:57 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: koods]
    #26425206 - 01/09/20 06:24 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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I’ve done it too. It’s nothing special. Surprisingly, it still takes a bit of time to ramp up. You aren’t instantly tripping.



Exactly my experience.




Would DMT be instantaneous?



Done that too. I wouldn’t recommend. You’re zero to sixty in ten seconds and I didn’t even have time to push the full dose before I was incapacitated. The whole trip is over in 3 minutes.



How much did you do?

I never really considered doing it as even just vaped I barely have time to put down the gear. I'm glad there's people crazy enough to do it and come back and tell us why we shouldn't though.


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Re: James "Whitey" Bulger claimed he was a guinea pig for the CIA and dosed with heavy doses of LSD [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26425256 - 01/09/20 07:00 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Wasn’t much. About 10mg. That was enough. I took a freebase crystal and dissolved it in dilute vinegar and then neuralized the solution with a bit of sodium bicarbonate.


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