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    #26423067 - 01/08/20 02:25 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Hey, I can't seem to get down coco coir, unfortunately. Every time my water content seems to be low the first flush even though I check for field capacity before spawning etc (do the water amounts damion5050 asks for). I've done at least 5 separate coco coir grows and every single time the first flush come sup with tiny mushrooms and normal sized mushrooms the following flushes. Any tips on that for the future would be greatly appreciated, but I'm mainly here to ask if you guys think I should pull the pins I have coming up (pics below) It's been since Saturday morning about 5 days ago that I saw the first pins coming up, and they have barely grown more than 2 inches by now (most only 1 inch) close to 5 days later, and the caps seem to be opening on some already. They are penis envy.





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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: muchlove]
    #26423101 - 01/08/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

PE can be slow as hell let it go. Definitely dont pull all those pins thats a nice
pinset for pe.

Also, pe tends fo break veil early. Mushrooms arent mature until the stipe gets wrinkly.

As for the small mushrooms 1st flush and larger mushrooms 2nd flush, try less water
in your sub prep. I find damiens recipe to be too much water personally.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26423115 - 01/08/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Pretty much just what I was going to say.

PE takes forever and too much water can cause small shrooms.

Looks like you avoided blobs good job.

Is it just regular PE? Mine have always had a distinct look to them, pins were always dark capped and slimy looking at first.

It’s crazy how many phenotypes PE shows up with.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26423135 - 01/08/20 03:09 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Even less water? That seems odd. I was having issues during the colonization period of this grow with the coir on the top drying out and even some of the mycelium on the edges was drying out too. There were no beads of water forming naturally on the surface. There was barely any water forming on the sides of the bin either. I made a post about it and people said just mist which I did. It finished colonizing okay, but small mushrooms. Other times I've used horse poo/ coco coir/ verm the first flush always comes up big and I bring to the same field capacity. With this particular PE clone I'm using its not more than 7 days generally from pinning to full grown mushrooms. Other times I've used normal cubes (b+) with just coco coir/verm I have the same issue as well of small first flush mushrooms then massive the second flush when proper water content is introduced via dunking.

Even one of the pins of the PE has its cap open so much that it cracked. It's def not going to grow that big I can tell.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: muchlove]
    #26423142 - 01/08/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Dont know then. I use a tad less than 3000ml for 1 eco earth brick and a qt of verm.
Comes out damn near perfect for me and its a full quart and a half less than damiens tek recommends.

In my experience small mushrooms first flush is an indication of too much water
in the sub but it could be something else for sure.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26423411 - 01/08/20 06:20 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Yeah just regular PE. PE phenotypes are indeed diverse. I guess I'll experiment more in the future with more or less water. You'd think though that since it does so well after a good dunking that the water content is indeed too low. Because if the water content was too high and then I dunked it, using your logic would mean I'd get small mushrooms on the following flushes too, but that isn't the case. Less water = smaller mushrooms from what I've read. I'm sure youre not wrong either. I checked field capacity before spawning and it was a little higher than I'd normally do it with horse poo, but just by a little. normally with poo/coir/verm i just go until it makes a squishy noise and water beads up on my knuckles when i squeeze hard and no dripping. This coir only had 3-4 drops fall out when I squeezed it. 

The signs are pointing towards low water content which is weird. Dry coco coir on surface during colonization, no water beading on surface either during colonization. Using bins with weatherstripping around lid to keep more air tight than normal. I thought it was partly due to the space heater I had in the space next to the bins drying them out but I took care of that problem only a few days into colonization. It didnt evaporate enough water for it to change the water content of the sub much.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: muchlove]
    #26423415 - 01/08/20 06:25 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I agree with the sub being overcapacity. I also modified the recipe for coir verm, I use 3 quarts of verm instead of two, this helps keep the substrate from getting too wet without sacrificing the amount of water used. That stripe going up the side of many of the pins is an indicator of an overcapacity sub IME.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26423428 - 01/08/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Okay, I'll experiment a bit.



here's a pic of the cracked mushroom that looks like its done growing prob.

any way you can explain why dunking has helped me with this issue so much in the past? Also, could a sub that is overcapacity have issues with drying out on the surface during colonization and no water beading on surface at all? Youd think an overcapacity tub would have pooling water issues etc



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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: muchlove]
    #26423615 - 01/08/20 09:01 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

That one has a few days to go at least. Definitely not ready yet.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26423807 - 01/09/20 12:35 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

perhaps. I have multiple bins going so I decided to pull the pins on one and dunk it and leave the rest for now. I'll update this thread if the results from the dunk are good or not.


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Re: Pins barely growing. Should I pull these pins and dunk now or wait? [Re: muchlove]
    #26423985 - 01/09/20 05:40 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

That first picture is so cool looking :eek:


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