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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26422691 - 01/08/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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One victim, who woke up naked on Sinaga's floor feeling nauseous and panic-stricken, came to the conclusion he had been drugged, telling his fiancé about that suspicion but not about the condition in which he awoke.

Another man, who was told he could sleep on the floor, recalled waking twice during the night, on one occasion to be sick.

He remembered that on one of the occasions he was unable to move his arms and could feel himself being penetrated, before passing out again.

In the morning, he briefly spoke with Sinaga before leaving. He did not report what happened to police, until being approached by them.



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Sinaga was offending with abandon, sometimes night after night. In footage recovered from CCTV cameras covering his block of flats, he is seen leaving one evening only to return with a man 60 seconds later.

It was just after midnight on 2 June 2017, when he approached his final victim.

A teenager, who left The Factory nightclub to get some fresh air after becoming separated from friends, agreed to go to Sinaga's flat after it was suggested he could try to contact them from there.

The man recalled nothing further until waking several hours later being sexually attacked by Sinaga.

He immediately pushed Sinaga away, who responded by screaming "intruder" and "help", before repeatedly biting the teenager.

The man hit Sinaga several times, escaped from the flat, and then called police, who arrived to a chaotic scene.

Sinaga, who was discovered semi-conscious with serious injuries, was at first viewed sympathetically, and the teenager was arrested for assault.



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But Sinaga's behaviour in hospital began to arouse suspicion. He kept asking officers to have a mobile phone brought to him from his flat.

Police asked him to confirm the pin number before they would hand it over. However Sinaga gave a series of false numbers, then tried to grab the phone after providing the correct one.

The officer became so suspicious that he seized the phone as potential evidence and, when it was checked, a video recording was found of Sinaga raping the arrested teenager.

It was the start of what the officer overseeing the investigation, Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain, calls "an absolutely unprecedented case".

He says the inquiry has been like "piecing a jigsaw together without the picture".

Another of Sinaga's mobiles had somehow ended up in the pocket of the final victim.

Between them, the two phones had been used to capture about 800 videos of Sinaga raping or sexually assaulting unconscious men.

The victims, usually snoring loudly, were often repeatedly raped over several hours.



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In some of the films, Sinaga is seen to forcibly hold men down who, though unconscious, were visibly distressed or made attempts to push him away. In others, victims are seen to vomit while being attacked.

To find the men, detectives used both the films and "trophies" collected by Sinaga - phones, watches, ID cards from their wallets, images that Sinaga had downloaded from their social media profiles, searches about them he conducted online.

When they lacked identifying information, investigators tried facial recognition technology, approached local universities, and asked other police forces around the UK if they knew any of the men.

Officers also considered whether Sinaga might have killed any of his victims with fatal drug overdoses, examining potential links to unsolved deaths or missing people, but there was no evidence to suggest this was the case.

When officers made a positive identification, that person would be approached and told he had been a victim of sexual offences.



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Police officers have spoken to other men, tracked down as a result of still images discovered in the flat that date from before 2015. These men recall being there, but not what happened. There is no other evidence available to show that they were sexually assaulted.

Only one previous report to police was linked to Sinaga after his arrest, dating from April 2017, when the victim had woken disorientated and unwell in a strange room with an Asian male.



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He quickly left, but later that day had flashbacks of being sexually assaulted and - two days afterwards - he called the police.

However, the man was unsure of the property in which he had been assaulted, meaning inquiries focused on two nearby hotels, neither of which had had any guests who matched the suspect's description.

Despite the overwhelming evidence, Sinaga pleaded not guilty to all 159 charges, forcing a series of four trials in which his victims had to give evidence and jurors had to watch hours of distressing videos.



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When entering and exiting court he often appeared cheerful, as if he was enjoying the process.

In the absence of the jury, the judge repeatedly asked defence counsel whether any of the evidence could be agreed, to spare jurors watching every video.

But Sinaga would not agree and, because he insisted each victim was conscious and consenting, the videos had to be played to demonstrate this was a lie.




really fucked up how this guy operated; people who thought he helped them finding out months later he had raped them
seemingly enjoyed having the jury watch his home videos

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The impact on Sinaga's victims is vast.

Waters says that "some of the men have found it very difficult to function in everyday life".

This has resulted in substance misuse, people unable to go to work, students unable to finish university, and others having to leave home after feeling unable to function any longer within their families.

She adds that "some men have been suicidal and we've had to try to help them come to terms with that and how we can make them safe".

Dr Sam Warner, author of a report about the psychological impact on Sinaga's victims, says a loss of power coupled with an absence of memory can be "extremely frightening, disturbing, upsetting because that goes to the heart of how you make sense of yourself, how you understand your experiences".

"In a situation where people have been incapacitated through drugs they may have no flashback to that particular event," she says.

"What they will have is the flashback to being told, however sensitively done, because suddenly they become a rape victim at that point."

She says the stress and trauma "may continue throughout people's lives".

In a series of statements read in court, the men themselves described the impact.

"I felt numb. I was totally shocked, embarrassed, betrayed and very angry," one said.

"His actions were disgusting, unforgiveable. He has massively abused my trust in humanity."

Another man said: "I want Sinaga to spend the rest of his life in prison. Not only for what he has done to me but for what he has done to the other lads and the misery and stress he has caused them."

A further victim said: "I remember the day the police contacted me, it is a day I will never forget because it changed my life forever."

Another: "I wish the worse for him, I want him to feel the pain and sufferance I have felt. He has destroyed a part of my life."

Throughout all four trials, Sinaga displayed not a glimmer of empathy or contrition.

His persistent smile, so often used to comfort and disarm, was instead revealed to be a mark of his cruelty.

In a message to Sinaga, one victim said: "I'm not going to let you ruin my life."



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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26422712 - 01/08/20 10:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Only 30 years ?


You get more time for drug trafficking


Pedophiles and rapists get light sentences for some reason.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: spirit_shadow] * 3
    #26422737 - 01/08/20 10:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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.....this is why I still support death penalty.




For some crimes, I often think, it sure would be nice if we still stoned people, or hung em in the streets.

You know, the real sick fucked up ones :shrug:


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26422914 - 01/08/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)




He doesn't at all look like someone who'd need date rape drugs to get laid.

I guess it was a power trip for him.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Big Worm]
    #26422961 - 01/08/20 01:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Big Worm said:
Only 30 years ?


You get more time for drug trafficking


Pedophiles and rapists get light sentences for some reason.




I know! And it's pretty fucking sickening!:scat:


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26422964 - 01/08/20 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ill have to check this out when I get a chance I've always been fascinated with the biochemistry, environmental, belief systems, mental health, Tracey, abuse neglect etc can lead one person to be an overcome of all and a success and in more extreme situations the same thing can lead to a monster. I've wondered if mental health problems to this degree is triggered by speech abusive things, selling the soul etc. It just gets me into a Sherlock mode


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26422979 - 01/08/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well that does change my jaded and cynical outlook on this case. I would make a bad juror! I didn't read ANY details on the case(s). Thanks T!


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Asante]
    #26422981 - 01/08/20 01:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26422984 - 01/08/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Well that does change my jaded and cynical outlook on this case. I would make a bad juror! I didn't read ANY details on the case(s). Thanks T!



Fuck no man thats GANGSTER. Guilty. Death penalty..... Next?

Edit: you know that would work as a deterrent for would be future rapists.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26422988 - 01/08/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm changing my stance on placing partial blame on the victims, although I bet a few of them were secretly gay, or questioning it, and that led to their getting mixed up with this guy. Predators such as these are very beguiling, wicked, sinister, insidious, and tricky/convincing.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26423006 - 01/08/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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sh4d0ws said:
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spirit_shadow said:
.....this is why I still support death penalty.




For some crimes, I often think, it sure would be nice if we still stoned people, or hung em in the streets.

You know, the real sick fucked up ones :shrug:


Yeah sue me I know it aint shroomy :elmo:




If anyone is concerned about the lack of shroominess towards a subhuman who has been convicted of 136 rapes, then they're the ones with issues. Not you.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Asante]
    #26423037 - 01/08/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't at all look like someone who'd need date rape drugs to get laid.

I guess it was a power trip for him.





Only pedophiles wear those style glasses.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Big Worm]
    #26423064 - 01/08/20 02:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, seems like it.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26424006 - 01/09/20 06:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm changing my stance on placing partial blame on the victims, although I bet a few of them were secretly gay, or questioning it, and that led to their getting mixed up with this guy. Predators such as these are very beguiling, wicked, sinister, insidious, and tricky/convincing.




Think that your earlier observance of him potentially being skilled and deceptive with words rings particularly true
especially with the CCTV footage of him walking out on the street and taking only about a minute to retrieve a victim


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26424052 - 01/09/20 07:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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"In a situation where people have been incapacitated through drugs they may have no flashback to that particular event," she says.

"What they will have is the flashback to being told, however sensitively done, because suddenly they become a rape victim at that point."

She says the stress and trauma "may continue throughout people's lives".










I bet in that situation you would kind of wish you hadn't found out. For the police not to tell you would be unethical, yet telling you arguably makes you worse off.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: psi]
    #26424100 - 01/09/20 07:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is scary

More time away from people birdwatching

Or something like that sounds good

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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26424186 - 01/09/20 09:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Well that does change my jaded and cynical outlook on this case. I would make a bad juror! I didn't read ANY details on the case(s). Thanks T!



Fuck no man thats GANGSTER. Guilty. Death penalty..... Next?

Edit: you know that would work as a deterrent for would be future rapists.




While being executed may act as a "deterrent" in as much as the executed can commit no more crime, it may also spur them on to murdering their victims in that 'dead men tell no tales'.

On a slightly different note. Does anyone understand the reasoning behind the notion that every time video media is shared on line, the victim is revictimised. Iv'e heard 'experts' state this when talking about child porn and wondered what the reasoning was behind it.

I would have thought that by making these vidios public, you would reduce the profitability of making more of the same. Could it be that by destroying such caches of perversion, the police are unwittingly encouraging new videos to be made, to replace them, and therefore more children to become victims of this horible aspect of capitalism. Is it, monkey see monkey do? Did deathrace 2000 lead to the truck terror attacks in France?


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: deucedbi9] * 2
    #26424204 - 01/09/20 09:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Well that does change my jaded and cynical outlook on this case. I would make a bad juror! I didn't read ANY details on the case(s). Thanks T!



Fuck no man thats GANGSTER. Guilty. Death penalty..... Next?

Edit: you know that would work as a deterrent for would be future rapists.




While being executed may act as a "deterrent" in as much as the executed can commit no more crime, it may also spur them on to murdering their victims in that 'dead men tell no tales'.

On a slightly different note. Does anyone understand the reasoning behind the notion that every time video media is shared on line, the victim is revictimised. Iv'e heard 'experts' state this when talking about child porn and wondered what the reasoning was behind it.

I would have thought that by making these vidios public, you would reduce the profitability of making more of the same. Could it be that by destroying such caches of perversion, the police are unwittingly encouraging new videos to be made, to replace them, and therefore more children to become victims of this horible aspect of capitalism. Is it, monkey see monkey do? Did deathrace 2000 lead to the truck terror attacks in France?



Don't quote me on this, but I believe their reasoning is that the crime is often one of humiliation and it ruins their lives. By sharing the story you further humiliate them and spread the information to more and more people, making it more and more likely that they will stumble across it themselves and be forced to relive the crime. Also its more likely they will be remembered for the article and even potentially judged.

When I was in school this 15 year old girl was sleeping with a teacher (I think she was 14 when it started) and after it came out she became completely ostracized by my school. She was labeled a slut and was harassed on a fairly regular basis. I remember seeing her walk down the halls with her head down and her books clutched to her chest like she was trying not to be noticed. I have no idea how her life ended up but people still talk about that incident like 18 years later.


It's a double edged sword for sure. If you don't report on it people aren't aware it's a danger. You also allow the perpetrator to have his reputation go unscathed. If you do report on it you complicate the situation 10x, potentially making it much harder for the victim to move on. Idk how I feel about it, but my instinct is to protect as many people as possible and that means letting as many people know as possible


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26424209 - 01/09/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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On a slightly different note. Does anyone understand the reasoning behind the notion that every time video media is shared on line, the victim is revictimised. Iv'e heard 'experts' state this when talking about child porn and wondered what the reasoning was behind it.
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Presuming this is strictly referring to videos made of non-consensual acts
and not the non-consensual publishing of consenual videos made as revenge porn

think it has to do with the idea that the video is not consented to being made, along with the act it films
so the video is inherently exploitationary, and there isn't really a morally defensible position for viewing it (aside from maybe the instances of the jurors in the court case)
and every time the video is viewed, the victim is effectively being victimized by a new individual; who typically also psychologically empowers the abuser and/or may directly influence the abuser to make further content

sexual agency is an unfortunately gray area socially -- it seems to be commonsense recognized that individuals should have it, but rough around the edges of what that means
and someone who was filmed being violated has no sexual agency during the act; but they also lose sexual agency to the people who view it -- particularly when it is viewed as an autoerotic prompting

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I would have thought that by making these vidios public, you would reduce the profitability of making more of the same. Could it be that by destroying such caches of perversion, the police are unwittingly encouraging new videos to be made, to replace them, and therefore more children to become victims of this horible aspect of capitalism. Is it, monkey see monkey do? Did deathrace 2000 lead to the truck terror attacks in France?




Does the porn industry keep making more money pumping out adults doing the same things over and over again?
the new content would be made either way; attempting to eliminate trace of the sensitive material (particularly in child pornography) helps to liberate the victimized individual to live their life without being haunted by knowledge that a re-exposure of the material may put their life into upheaval again

personally am additionally critical of animated/drawn images of children or childified characters
due to a perception that the sort of normalization it portrays may further embolden abusers
likewise think that filmed pornography has a similiar impact; an idea that since the abuser has access to it they may interpret it as "secretly socially acceptable"

but do recognize that some people may associate my criticism of drawn images as straying into the realm of thought crimes due to the absence of an actual victim in the portrayal


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26424462 - 01/09/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You just found my new band name...
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