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Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system
    #26421393 - 01/07/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Think this is worthy of some degree of reflection

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A student from Indonesia was identified as Britain's most prolific rapist on Monday after being convicted of more than 150 offences, including 136 rapes.

In four separate trials, Reynhard Sinaga, 36, was found guilty of assaulting 48 men whom he drugged after taking them back to his apartment from outside bars and clubs in the city of Manchester.

Many of the victims were lured by the offer of a place to sleep or more drink, and Sinaga filmed the assaults on his mobile phone, the U.K. Crown Prosecution Service said.

At a court in Manchester, a judge ruled that Sinaga must serve at least 30 years in prison for 159 offences committed between January 2015 and May 2017, and lifted reporting restrictions.

Ian Rushton, a government prosecutor, described Sinaga as the "most prolific rapist in British legal history."

Sinaga, who has lived in the United Kingdom since 2007, targeted young men who looked drunk or vulnerable and rendered them unconscious with a sedative, probably the party drug gamma-hydroxybutyric acid that is known as GHB, the court was told.

The victims were mainly heterosexual and had little or no memory of the attacks. But Sinaga was arrested after one of his victims woke up during an attack, fought him off and went to the police with one of his phones.



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Police discovered graphic material — equivalent to 250 DVDs or 300,000 photos — depicting sexual assaults on Sinaga's digital devices. Sinaga had said his victims were acting out sexual fantasies.

The court was told Sinaga kept men's belongings as trophies and looked them up on Facebook.

The rape investigation is the largest in British legal history. It is the first time prosecutors have split charges across four separate trials.

Police said there could be many more victims and are appealing for others who may have been targeted to come forward.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/britain-most-prolific-rapist-1.5416541

Ton of unwitting and unaware victims,
but "fortunately" he was twisted enough to document it all
so those who can't remember the violation can still see some justice for it


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika] * 5
    #26421398 - 01/07/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

.....this is why I still support death penalty.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26421420 - 01/07/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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.....this is why I still support death penalty.



I man who levies the sentence should be the one to wield the sword.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Tantrika]
    #26421432 - 01/07/20 04:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You know, those men decided to take something from the guy offering, so they are partly to blame here. But yeah, a predator is a predator. When I lived in New Orleans I was told by the locals to look around me every once in a while to help prevent people stalking the drunk/weak, like buzzards looking for the near dead. It's a fucking jungle out there.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #26421483 - 01/07/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
.....this is why I still support death penalty.



I man who levies the sentence should be the one to wield the sword.



Give me the chance, gladly :ruggedwink:


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26421496 - 01/07/20 04:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think they knowingly took ghb. Probably alcohol spiked with the g.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: MrMoon]
    #26421500 - 01/07/20 04:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There has to be a record for everything.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: MrMoon]
    #26421508 - 01/07/20 05:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So he could possibly get out in 30 years?

After being convicted of 136 rapes?


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26421567 - 01/07/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is the type of thing where he doesn't really deserve to ever get out. Even a single rape is damn near irredeemable if we hadn't seen Mike Tyson turn in to a decent man, but 150+? Just kill the guy so he's not wasting tax dollars. He doesn't even sound safe to release in to a healthy prison population.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26421575 - 01/07/20 05:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well they rape in prison apparently


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26421586 - 01/07/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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larry.fisherman said:
This is the type of thing where he doesn't really deserve to ever get out. Even a single rape is damn near irredeemable if we hadn't seen Mike Tyson turn in to a decent man, but 150+? Just kill the guy so he's not wasting tax dollars. He doesn't even sound safe to release in to a healthy prison population.




I don't know if my math is correct but if he was to somehow actually get out in 30 years, he would have effectively served a little over 2 and a half months per rape.

As bad as that would be though, that wouldn't even be the most egregious thing of this nature that I've ever heard.

That would belong to Pedro Lopez. "The Monster of the Andes" as he was known. Serial killer who targeted, raped and murdered young girls. He was convicted of killing 110 (ponder that for a moment if you can) young girls. He claimed to kill more than 300.

He spent 14 years in prison. Fourteen. And then was released. Seriously. Look it up.

Of course he killed again as soon as he got out.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: MrMoon]
    #26421595 - 01/07/20 05:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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MrMoon said:
I don't think they knowingly took ghb. Probably alcohol spiked with the g.



No, but they took what was offered and he preyed on them, it's a sick game for those unfortunate to get that severe of a predator. Maybe they were looking to take advantage of someone too, who knows. Shit could have happened to me a few times I'm sure.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26421956 - 01/07/20 08:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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This is the type of thing where he doesn't really deserve to ever get out. Even a single rape is damn near irredeemable if we hadn't seen Mike Tyson turn in to a decent man, but 150+? Just kill the guy so he's not wasting tax dollars. He doesn't even sound safe to release in to a healthy prison population.




I don't know if my math is correct but if he was to somehow actually get out in 30 years, he would have effectively served a little over 2 and a half months per rape.

As bad as that would be though, that wouldn't even be the most egregious thing of this nature that I've ever heard.

That would belong to Pedro Lopez. "The Monster of the Andes" as he was known. Serial killer who targeted, raped and murdered young girls. He was convicted of killing 110 (ponder that for a moment if you can) young girls. He claimed to kill more than 300.

He spend 14 years in prison. Fourteen. And then was released. Seriously. Look it up.

Of course he killed again as soon as he got out.



Closest I know of to that was this dude:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/a-different-justice-why-anders-breivik-only-got-21-years-for-killing-77-people/261532/


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26422060 - 01/07/20 09:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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MrMoon said:
I don't think they knowingly took ghb. Probably alcohol spiked with the g.



No, but they took what was offered and he preyed on them, it's a sick game for those unfortunate to get that severe of a predator. Maybe they were looking to take advantage of someone too, who knows. Shit could have happened to me a few times I'm sure.



I know 'victim blaming' gets tossed around a lot, but dude I can't believe you are being serious. Accepting a beer is tantamount to taking a handful of random pills at a party where you don't know a single person? By that logic, every time you leave your house you are consenting to any and all crimes because you should know it's a dangerous world


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26422394 - 01/08/20 06:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You know, those men decided to take something from the guy offering, so they are partly to blame here. But yeah, a predator is a predator. When I lived in New Orleans I was told by the locals to look around me every once in a while to help prevent people stalking the drunk/weak, like buzzards looking for the near dead. It's a fucking jungle out there.




The person at fault for rape is the rapist, don't blame the victims
:witch:

but do think that your post sort of alludes to a bit of a larger social issue
warnings to beware of things like this are frequent for women and girls; advice to never put your drink down or accept a drink from someone
cis-het men are exposed to such warnings, but typically do not live in a sphere where they are common place concerns



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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Niffla]
    #26422399 - 01/08/20 06:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Niffla said:
So he could possibly get out in 30 years?

After being convicted of 136 rapes?




rapists are kind of notorious for getting soft sentences compared to the disgust response such issues have

but at a guess, the particular "issue" here may have something to do with needing victims to press charges
perhaps he was found guilty of abstract crime, but without a victim to gauge the damage the punishment cannot be as severe?

making this up in my mind from a few combined aspects of the story:

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...convicted of more than 150 offences, including 136 rapes.
In four separate trials, Reynhard Sinaga, 36, was found guilty of assaulting 48 men ...



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At a court in Manchester, a judge ... and lifted reporting restrictions.



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Police said there could be many more victims and are appealing for others who may have been targeted to come forward.





:shrug:

think this guy executed a sort of perfect storm of rape tho
he selected victims who were already intoxicated, making it difficult to remember or identify him
he drugged them making it difficult to remember the assault
and he selected cis heterosexual men, potentially making his victim group the least likely to report a presumed rape for fear of social emasculation over a gay experience


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: Niffla]
    #26422607 - 01/08/20 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What a disgusting worthless animal. Seriously throw the whole fucking court room at him and lock him up for life.

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Niffla said:
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larry.fisherman said:
This is the type of thing where he doesn't really deserve to ever get out. Even a single rape is damn near irredeemable if we hadn't seen Mike Tyson turn in to a decent man, but 150+? Just kill the guy so he's not wasting tax dollars. He doesn't even sound safe to release in to a healthy prison population.




I don't know if my math is correct but if he was to somehow actually get out in 30 years, he would have effectively served a little over 2 and a half months per rape.

As bad as that would be though, that wouldn't even be the most egregious thing of this nature that I've ever heard.

That would belong to Pedro Lopez. "The Monster of the Andes" as he was known. Serial killer who targeted, raped and murdered young girls. He was convicted of killing 110 (ponder that for a moment if you can) young girls. He claimed to kill more than 300.

He spent 14 years in prison. Fourteen. And then was released. Seriously. Look it up.

Of course he killed again as soon as he got out.




Reminds me of the criminal corrections system in Norway. Believe me the Norwegian system of rehabilitating criminals is infinitely better than the idiotic American and U.K system of throwing anyone in jail to do hard time for petty crimes like drug use or drug dealing or petty theft. I don't believe tossing people in jail willy nilly to do hard time for minor crimes is productive or helpful to anyone and it only helps turn petty criminals into hardened criminals. But the Norwegians are really ass backwards when it comes to dealing with mass murders like the guy you mentioned. Norway doesn't sentence ANYONE for more than 20 years and their sentence is merely receiving mental health treatment and criminal rehabilitation. They don't do anytime of hard time or hard punishment like they do here in America. Anders Behring Brevik who murdered 77 people in a rampage is going to be freed from prison in Norway and be allowed to resume life the way he once did. I guarantee you he will commit another mass killing, there is no way someone like that can be rehabilitated and redeemed. Norwegians are highly socially advanced country and people but FUCK these people are so damn delusional and soft. This prick should have been executed.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26422610 - 01/08/20 09:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, I don't entirely blame the victims, but in the gay bar scene there is a lot of back and forth with users and predators. That rapist could have escalated to murder easily if he got bored I'm sure. Look at the guy, there's no way he could overpower anyone physically without some knockout drugs. The victims (some of them?) may have talked to him an he also may be a fantastic manipulator, obviously.


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26422613 - 01/08/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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MrMoon said:
I don't think they knowingly took ghb. Probably alcohol spiked with the g.



No, but they took what was offered and he preyed on them, it's a sick game for those unfortunate to get that severe of a predator. Maybe they were looking to take advantage of someone too, who knows. Shit could have happened to me a few times I'm sure.



I don’t know why ppl are interpreting this as victim blaming.  I don’t see it


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Re: Britain catches 'most prolific rapist' in U.K. history -- targetted men, outside the prison system [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26422690 - 01/08/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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No, I don't entirely blame the victims, but in the gay bar scene there is a lot of back and forth with users and predators. That rapist could have escalated to murder easily if he got bored I'm sure. Look at the guy, there's no way he could overpower anyone physically without some knockout drugs. The victims (some of them?) may have talked to him an he also may be a fantastic manipulator, obviously.




Can respect your insights with regards to the gay bar scene
but that is part of my attempts to call to light certain facts about this case
it didn't happen in the gay bar scene, he tended to target heterosexual men
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Sinaga typically approached his victims in the street. The rapist operated in a small area surrounding his flat. His targets were men mostly in their late teens or early 20s who had been out drinking, often in the nearby nightclubs.

Some were on their way home, others had become separated from friends.

Many were too drunk to remember their conversation with Sinaga, but for those who did there was no indication of a sexual motive. Sinaga used various pretexts to entice each to his flat.

Some victims could recall being provided with a drink and then blacking out.



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Sinaga presented himself as a flamboyant, churchgoing academic who used the nickname "posh spice". A thin man of slight build and short stature, physically he appeared unthreatening. Several victims recall him smiling a lot.

It was this apparent harmlessness that enabled Sinaga to pose as a "good Samaritan", coaxing men he approached back to the flat.

We know about the benign impression Sinaga created because dozens of victims gave testimony to police, with 48 of them appearing in court over the course of four trials.

Of the victims who went to court, the vast majority were heterosexual. Ian Rushton, from the Crown Prosecution Service, said he thought Sinaga took "a particular pleasure in preying on heterosexual men".

Most of his victims were living in Manchester at the time and, in all, 26 were students when they were attacked.

Their accounts explain how Sinaga operated.

One was waiting for his girlfriend outside Fifth Avenue nightclub - since renamed Fifth Manchester - when he was approached by a "small Asian guy" who seemed harmless.

The man was invited back to Sinaga's flat to wait for his girlfriend, but recalled nothing further after being given a shot of clear liquid to drink.



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Another man described being "approached by a young Asian gentleman". He said he had a "vague recollection of explaining that my phone was dead and that I was trying to get a taxi but the taxis were passing me".

He added: "I think I can recall a conversation along the lines of, 'Would you like to come inside and charge your phone and have a quick chat,'" he told the court.

To him, Sinaga "didn't seem like an imposing character" and during their conversations in the apartment, he appeared to be "an honest, motivated person" with an interest in academic research.

The man told the court that soon after being offered a drink, he couldn't remember "a single thing until the next morning".

After waking, confused and disoriented, he left within five minutes.

Like almost every victim, he had no idea he had been raped until being approached by police.



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Another victim remembered his friends putting him in a cab outside a club. His next recollection was waking up in a strange apartment.

When he asked Sinaga what had happened, he described providing care and shelter after finding him lying in the street.

Another victim believed Sinaga had been "really nice and had looked after him".

One victim, a teenage university student, managed to get Sinaga's mobile number as a precaution after waking up in the flat, and then having concerns that something might have been stolen from him.

When he rang to ask for more information about what happened, Sinaga described himself as a "good Samaritan" who had found him unconscious on the pavement.

Another man remembered waking up on the floor, covered in a blanket, before thanking the flat's occupier for letting him stay over.

He suspected nothing, even though the person "refused to give me personal details" in order to assist with an insurance claim for a lost mobile phone.

The phone, like many others stolen from their owners, was later recovered from Sinaga's home by police.

Some victims felt incredibly unwell after regaining consciousness, sometimes naked and covered in vomit.

Unknown to them at the time, Sinaga had given his victims a drug - almost certainly GHB - which rendered them unconscious before he assaulted them.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50688975

Rather than people going out expecting to hook up at a gay bar and getting exploited
he picked people off the street, drugged them, raped them, then acted like he helped them

interestingly, in court he even tried to claim he victims were secretly gay
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His victims recounted that they rarely felt threatened by Sinaga, who had a slight build, according to the PA Media news agency. One victim said he seemed "really nice" and thought he had merely looked after him after his phone died and he had been separated from his friends on a night out.
"That night was just like any night out with my mates. What I didn't know was that there was a monster lurking in the background waiting to take advantage of my drunken state," PA quoted one victim as saying. "I want Sinaga to acknowledge what he has done to me and show some remorse, but I doubt that will ever happen."
Sinaga claimed in court that the men he attacked had in fact consented to have sex with him, and were pretending to be unconscious to fulfill his fantasy. Prosecutors branded that defense "preposterous," PA reported.
In court, he claimed victims had individually lied to police in order to not be outed as gay. "It is not an easy thing for some people to come out as gay. That has probably influenced the way they want to answer it," PA quoted him as saying.
"They were probably scared that, 'what if my girlfriend finds out I was lying and that night I was with a man?'"
"Sinaga's unthreatening demeanour duped these young men -- many of whom thanked him for his kindness in offering them a place to stay -- into thinking this monster was a Good Samaritan," Rushton added.
"But once back at his flat he used victims as objects purely for his own gratification -- then appears to have derived further twisted pleasure from re-watching his films in court and putting victims through the trauma of giving evidence."




but yeah, in longer account he basically used a cover of seeming like a good person in the community

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The most prolific rapist ever caught in Britain, who spent more than a decade luring dozens of intoxicated young men to his apartment before drugging and sexually assaulting them, has been sentenced to life imprisonment after being found guilty in four separate trials.
Reynhard Sinaga was found guilty of 159 counts of sexual offenses against 48 different men, and must serve 30 years before he is considered for release. Police said the true number of his victims is likely to have been higher, having found evidence linking him to assaults on as many as 190 different people.
Details of his campaign of assault were suppressed while trials were ongoing, but can now be published.
Sinaga, 36, approached men in the early hours of the morning outside nightclubs in Manchester, striking up a conversation and offering them somewhere to sleep or promising them more alcohol.

Once he had brought them to his flat he would lace their drink with a drug -- most likely GHB, police said -- then film himself raping them while they slept. His comatose victims were unaware they had been assaulted.
Sinaga's attacks only came to light in 2017, after an 18-year-old victim woke up at 6 a.m. while being assaulted. The victim managed to fight him off, and crucially was able to grab Sinaga's white iPhone before leaving the apartment.
He went to police, who discovered 3.29 terabytes of graphic material on Sinaga's phone -- the equivalent to 250 DVDs. In some cases the assaults lasted hours, with one particular attack taking place for eight hours.
Sinaga's victims, who were usually heterosexual and were often students, were seen snoring and in some cases vomiting while Sinaga raped them, Britain's Crown Prosecution Service said. When a groggy victim was starting to wake, Sinaga would push them back to the floor to continue his assault, or snatch away his phone to avoid suspicion.

Police believe he began the attacks in 2005 and continued until June 2017.
"Reynhard Sinaga is the most prolific rapist in British legal history," Ian Rushton, North West Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor, said. "His extreme sense of sexual entitlement almost defies belief and he would no doubt still be adding to his staggering tally had he not been caught.



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Chilling texts mocking his victims

Little was known about Sinaga and police had no record of him before the morning one of his victims escaped his apartment.
He was ultimately found guilty in four separate trials, with cases split given the number of victims and assaults involved. Police said around 70 victims have not yet been identified.
Juries heard how Sinaga kept victims' belongings as trophies and would look the men up on Facebook after assaulting them.
He would also text friends to boast about his assaults. In one such message, he wrote of a comatose victim: "He was straight in 2014. 2015 is his breakthrough to the gay world hahaha." In a phone conversation, he made a reference to a song by the group Little Mix, telling a friend: "Take a sip of my secret potion, I'll make you fall in love."



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A churchgoer and PhD student
Originally from Indonesia and born to a relatively wealthy family, Sinaga was a churchgoer who studied various university courses while living in Manchester, PA reported. He had been living in the UK on a student visa.
He was studying for a PhD at the University of Leeds and would commute monthly from Manchester, where he had an apartment close to the city center.
His thesis was entitled "Sexuality and everyday transnationalism. South Asian gay and bisexual men in Manchester," PA reported.
"It is almost beyond belief that someone who could profess some Christian faith could at the same time have been committing such wicked and evil crimes," the judge said while delivering her verdict.
"You are an evil serial sexual predator who has preyed upon young men who came into the city center wanting nothing more than a good night out with their friends," she added.
After the verdict was announced, the UK's Home Secretary, Priti Patel, called for an urgent review of legislation on date-rape drugs like Gamma-hydroxybutyrate, more commonly known as GHB.
GHB is a powerful depressant and is a Class C drug in the UK, the third of three categories of criminalized substances.

Those caught in possession of GHB can face an unlimited fine and up to two years in prison, compared with up to five years for Class B drugs and up to seven years for Class A drugs.
Police have urged anyone who believes they may have been a victim of Sinaga, or who has information related to his crimes, to contact them on 0800 092 041 from within the UK or +44 207 158 0124 internationally. Reports can also be made online.



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