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A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system * 2
    #26420791 - 01/07/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Reading a lot of the things people post and the ideas they believe in around here, it's amazing to me how much of it goes right along with a course in miracles.  But I rarely run across anyone even mentioning it.  A quick search turned up a thread but it was 6 years old.

I feel this very interesting text got a bad rap, Christians hate it because it's "blasphemy" in that it corrects the bible (which was written/compiled/and edited by men with motives).  While at the same time non-Christians write it off as Christian and dismiss it for that reason, understandably.  Also one of it's major proponents being Marianne Williamson I think may have hurt more than helped it, but I digress...

Has anyone studied this book at all, or the ideas it talks about?  It would be cool if we could have a discussion.  To be clear I am not here to promote it or convert anyone, and I have not finished the complete text myself.  Just found it to be the most legit spiritual path for me after many years of searching.  Interested to see what others think.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #26423390 - 01/08/20 06:04 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

https://awakening-mind.org/resources/a-course-in-miracles/

Online text for anyone who is interested.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26423402 - 01/08/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Interesting...

"T-1.II.5. Revelations are indirectly inspired by me because I am close to the Holy Spirit, and alert to the revelation-readiness of my brothers. 2 I can thus bring down to them more than they can draw down to themselves. 3 The Holy Spirit mediates higher to lower communication, keeping the direct channel from God to you open for revelation. 4 Revelation is not reciprocal. 5 It proceeds from God to you, but not from you to God.

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T-2.VIII.3. The Last Judgment is generally thought of as a procedure undertaken by God. 2 Actually it will be undertaken by my brothers with my help. 3 It is a final healing rather than a meting out of punishment, however much you may think that punishment is deserved."


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #26423577 - 01/08/20 08:25 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

It's all just a book on white magic..

And everything it denies is black magic..


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #26423735 - 01/08/20 10:31 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I read it and did every exercise.  It made me feel good.  I thought I was reading something from a higher plane of consciousness.  I enjoyed reading the daily exercises in the morning, meditating on them, and doing my best to remember them throughout the day.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26423903 - 01/09/20 02:53 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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I read it and did every exercise.  It made me feel good.  I thought I was reading something from a higher plane of consciousness.  I enjoyed reading the daily exercises in the morning, meditating on them, and doing my best to remember them throughout the day.




I was attracted to 'The Magic' thru a different medium Pathwork

It seems to me that they both have a similar pyramidal type structure.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26424026 - 01/09/20 06:41 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Interesting...

"T-1.II.5. Revelations are indirectly inspired by me because I am close to the Holy Spirit, and alert to the revelation-readiness of my brothers. 2 I can thus bring down to them more than they can draw down to themselves. 3 The Holy Spirit mediates higher to lower communication, keeping the direct channel from God to you open for revelation. 4 Revelation is not reciprocal. 5 It proceeds from God to you, but not from you to God.

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T-2.VIII.3. The Last Judgment is generally thought of as a procedure undertaken by God. 2 Actually it will be undertaken by my brothers with my help. 3 It is a final healing rather than a meting out of punishment, however much you may think that punishment is deserved."




Yeah the language in it can be a little weird to interpret, until you know a few key words that they use in kind of weird ways, it's difficult to make sense of a lot of it.  I found the whole idea of a Course in Miracles through another book, Disappearance of the Universe.  Having read this book first, which is a lot easier to read and simplifies the language used in the actual course, the text of the course becomes a hell of a lot easier to understand.  Although it's really a whole lot of text that could be simplified to about a 10th as many pages... the ideas are quite simple.  I would recommend anyone that wants to get an idea of what the course is about to check out this book first.  It's a pretty entertaining read anyway even if you're not interested in checking out the course.

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It's all just a book on white magic..

And everything it denies is black magic..




Can you explain a little more?


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I was attracted to 'The Magic' thru a different medium Pathwork

It seems to me that they both have a similar pyramidal type structure.




Cool like I will have to check that out.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26425223 - 01/09/20 06:36 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

So I as well read Disappearance of the universe before I read the Course..

I read the whole thing and did every single excercise..

It helped me allot in a troubling time..

White magic is all the positive principles you learn in the book..

Seeing people as christ for example..

Calling things nothing is neutral.. but some people call it black magic when you call a person nothing..


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #26425516 - 01/09/20 09:53 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Ah, gotcha.  Yes I do like the positivity aspects of the whole thing.  With all the different spiritual paths there are, it's difficult to know for sure if you're on a good one or not.  I always figure if it ends up having nothing but positive effects on your life and mood, as well as how you treat others, then it's a good thing regardless of whether everything the text claims is true or not :peace:


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #26426173 - 01/10/20 08:35 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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...it's difficult to know for sure if you're on a good one or not.




"It's all good" haha, I recently made a connection between "Pay me my money down, Pay me your golden chair..." with circumstances in my life. If I had chosen to follow that route I would be on solid ground as represented by the respective indicators for this period (see Tarot's 4 of Pentacles, Qabala's Chesed in Assiah, I-Ching's Gua#15, Astrology's Jupiter in Earth and Angel#59 of the Shem HaMephorash) But in rejecting 'trade' as the foundation for progress I think I remain on solid principles.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Billy Ray]
    #27390818 - 07/16/21 10:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well articulated.
A Course in Miracles is a powerful spiritual path that has and continues to help millions to understand our relationship with each other and with God.
Joshua Stones 'Soul Psychology' has an excellent introduction to ACIM which is really helpful.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: benjoseph78]
    #27391191 - 07/17/21 10:59 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I'll have to check out that book, I hadn't heard of it.  There are so many course intros out there!  Some better than others... Marianne Williamson is one of the most famous but I read her books a decade ago and they didn't get me the least bit interested in the course.  Wasn't till I read Disappearance that I finally got into it and read the actual text of the course.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #27392073 - 07/18/21 01:55 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I don't belive that everything written in that book is de facto truth..

But the general idea behind it..

Miracles are real..

You need to be spiritual for miracles to occur..


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27395056 - 07/20/21 12:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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It's all just a book on white magic..

And everything it denies is black magic..




I randomly thought about you saying this like a week ago.Then I saw you say its like black magic as well.  I think acim is great in its merging of  paths (psychology, gnostic christianity, magic systems , advaita etc.)
It is insane to me that someone would read that whole book tho as it is long and dry af yet
Yet I agree the central idea or practice of forgiveness as a journey of opening or dissolving into the awareness that life is a dream which began by entertaining the impossible idea of a life apart from god is pretty cool.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: mt cleverest]
    #27395070 - 07/20/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Dissappearance of the universe is more entertaining but I couldn't get thru that either tbh. The audiobook rubbed me the wrong way, could've been his voice. I mean the alien archangels were awesome don't get me wrong but they didn't do anything cool , just talk the whole time.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: mt cleverest]
    #27395078 - 07/20/21 12:49 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I can see why the guy has more life cycles to go, absolutely no imagination!


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: mt cleverest]
    #27395117 - 07/20/21 01:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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It is insane to me that someone would read that whole book tho as it is long and dry af




Yeah I can certainly understand passing it over, I did the first few times I picked it up.  But when your path calls you to it, there's nothing more interesting to read.  Just depends on where you're at.  I'm sure it's not for a lot of people, ever. 
The Christian terminology I'm sure turns a lot of people off.  Yet paradoxically, many of the ones more open to Christian terminology (Christians) seem to be quite turned off by the ideas in the book as they oppose a lot of what many interpret the bible to say. (read some of the bad reviews - Blasphemy!!! :lol:)
It has a very small audience, for sure.  But some treasures are best kept hidden.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #27413628 - 08/03/21 10:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think I know what you are talking about and hopefully you are still good with the blessings and fortitude to face the coming darkness with plenty of light.

I will stand by your side and give you strength and with fire swords the Lord will grant the wind.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Fiery]
    #27413675 - 08/03/21 11:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

So the idea of competition nullifies the honest ideal of peace with your brother..

Only one man will win..

The one takes power and the second bows..

Until the next tournament of course..

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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #28181655 - 02/11/23 01:53 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

I know this is old but it is so nice to find a thread on "the course".

The only ACIM teacher I follow is Dr. Ken Wapnick, who truly understood and lived it. It is by the far the most profound book I have ever found. It is not easy but I struggle with its teachings daily. I love that there is a thread about it here, and from Forrester

I am baffled by how unknown/overlooked it is.

As someone else said, it is dry. In my early days with it, I often felt it was completely barren. It contains nothing about how to live or what to do as it is entirely focused on the mind, which is very unsatisfying to our egos. I don't know how I made it through the first time I read it. The older I get, the more beautiful it gets.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: tinymadidea]
    #28181674 - 02/11/23 02:28 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

:heart: A more recent thread on it, also started by Forrester, is The Little Garden.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: syncro]
    #28181709 - 02/11/23 03:30 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

Thanks syncro, I'll check it out


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28186437 - 02/13/23 11:31 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

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White magic is all the positive principles you learn in the book..

Seeing people as christ for example..

Calling things nothing is neutral.. but some people call it black magic when you call a person nothing..




I like this a lot!


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Lucis]
    #28187507 - 02/14/23 06:25 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

I have seen the whole, large set of volumes in used book stores. Just skimmed it.

Can anyone, who has completed the entire course, perform any miracles on the spot, no matter who or what you are plugged-into.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28187518 - 02/14/23 06:37 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

I have done the full course..

I have created things with mind over matter.

I can site relevant passages with stichomancy.

Also I get allot of synchronicities per day/week.


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    #28187520 - 02/14/23 06:38 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

Oh I can create life as well..

Resurrect people from history and interact with them..

Also I can communicate with beings that are dead/in the bardos.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28187528 - 02/14/23 06:50 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

How would you describe the process of physical manifestation, which seems to be the least subjective of all the miracles mentioned?

Or, can you show me a falsifiable example of hidden knowledge?

This is not intended to be a battle of worldviews, but a demonstration of the methodology.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28187835 - 02/14/23 09:44 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

Yeah so like.. I looked in my closet one day and there was this new Grey Hoodie..  which I knew was spontaneously generated.. and this has happened with a few other pieces of clothing too.

Also the course says the meaning is to remove blocks to loves awareness which I think is great for sure. But I think the main aim of the course is to remove blocks to free expression..including performing miracles.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28188069 - 02/15/23 04:08 AM (11 months, 6 days ago)

I was browsing a version of the Shiva sutras and this to me coincided with the miracle in ACIM:

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Wielding the power hidden in the Shakti chakras, one should render the objective world as nonexistent or immaterial.



Except that it is done with the power of witness, in essence not different. The terms used in the course can be obscure, so miracle may be preliminary to corrected perception, etc. I'm not remembering specifically.

Miracle is sharing immutability which is the same as joy, the expansive element, that which extends in reality.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28188328 - 02/15/23 09:07 AM (11 months, 6 days ago)

:peace: I don't necessarily have anything against the claims being made, here.

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to remove blocks to free expression




When discussing manifestation some people say they are sending out a prayer, over the entire universe, and that is answered by whatever synchronicity comes their way.

Is this what you mean, by removing blocks to expression?


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    #28189381 - 02/15/23 08:52 PM (11 months, 6 days ago)

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:peace: I don't necessarily have anything against the claims being made, here.

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to remove blocks to free expression




When discussing manifestation some people say they are sending out a prayer, over the entire universe, and that is answered by whatever synchronicity comes their way.

Is this what you mean, by removing blocks to expression?



I think understanding prayers and mantras and there effects on the fabric of existence is important..

But also via self expression understanding what your freewill is without lying to one self.. which is hard to do.

Basically I say it is removing blocks to your awareness.. of self existence and other..


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    #28189509 - 02/15/23 10:36 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Some of the charismatics talk about living in a state of holiness, as sinless as possible, or not to take part in negative karma in any way.

Are you saying that lower emotions, or what, are blocks to awareness?


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    #28189618 - 02/16/23 12:16 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Hi Durian,

A miracle, as defined by A Course in Miracles, is a change in perception rather than the biblical definition of a miracle which is more like an impressive spectacle. Better yet, it is a correction of our ego perception and a choice for the already present vision of our right minds.


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    #28189624 - 02/16/23 12:24 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

So, you're content with saying everything is an act of God. I don't find that controversial. :shrug:

How do you go from that, to making a lame person walk?


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    #28189756 - 02/16/23 04:59 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Um.. I know there are evil forces at work.. that work constantly to screw with your awareness..

Thats one thing..

Also ignorance in general can go against the ability to make well informed choices..

I think any emotion even "lesser" emotions should be embraced..

Just honoring what you are and how you feel is the first step.


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    #28189757 - 02/16/23 05:02 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Course also says miracles change the laws of physics..

So there are both physical and mental types of miracles..

I once had a dream where God came out of a UFO with a beige orb.. which I think is The Philosophers Stone.. then a voice said "All of life is a miracle".. then the orb absorbed everything and I woke up.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: Forrester]
    #28190028 - 02/16/23 10:20 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

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How do you go from that, to making a lame person walk?




Someone yelled out in pain, through the adjoining wall.

A couple of dogs are getting old and crippled.

If you take a direct and literal approach, what is it?


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28190206 - 02/16/23 01:02 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Hi Durian,

According to the course, nothing that happens here has anything to do with God. Everything here is a negation of God.

"The world you see has nothing to do with reality. It is of your own making, and it does not exist." (W-p1.14.1.4-5)

"The world you see is the delusional system of those made mad by guilt." (T13.in.2.2)

That's why the course is focused on changing perception rather than anything else. The goal of the course is to awaken from this illusory existence.


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    #28190290 - 02/16/23 01:51 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

I am trying to relate what you are saying to my personal studies, not to put words in your mouth.

It sounds very similar to gnosticism.

How might someone use this worldview to effect a change in matter?

If it works -- even as a matter of coincidence -- I will report back honestly.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28190843 - 02/16/23 10:35 PM (11 months, 4 days ago)

Absolutely, it is very similar to gnosticism, you are right. The God that the course refers to has nothing to do with what we think of as reality, which is a false existence.

Nothing in its teachings have any instructions on how to alter matter. That would be in direct opposition to the goal of the course, which is to have us awaken from the dream.

"You are at home in God, dreaming of exile"
(T10.I.2.1)

There are not even any directions for how to behave in the course, because the goal is to help us change our minds:

"seek not to change the world, but choose to change your mind about the world." (T21.in.1.7)

To answer your question: "How might someone use this worldview to effect a change in matter?" The answer might not be what you are looking for, but this course can't help you with that as it is all about uncovering your ego thoughts which help maintain your false existence as a body. The course might suggest you look at the need to change the world and where that would be coming from. We all have to do things in the world, granted, but the course's focus is on the motivations behind our actions rather than the actions themselves.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: tinymadidea]
    #28191350 - 02/17/23 10:08 AM (11 months, 4 days ago)

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Nothing in its teachings have any instructions on how to alter matter.





I think most varietals of Christianity could agree to a version of reality, which has fallen to sin, so decays over time. I am not trying to find fault in your cosmology, except for I don't see why the title line is about miracles.

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I have created things with mind over matter.





Would you like to explain the process, here, or in-private?

I can't tell whether I'm putting you on the spot, or if it would be a good testimonial.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28191499 - 02/17/23 11:42 AM (11 months, 4 days ago)

It does speak about altering time, a purpose of the miracle. It should be noted that many terms in the text are given meanings that are unconventional. Health is natural in the natural state it is implied, but the emphasis of the course is mind.

The miracle is about turning one back to the invulnerability, unity, of spirit, whether or not the fruits are visible.

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2. Miracles as such do not matter. ²The only thing that matters is their Source, which is far beyond evaluation. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/53#2:1-2 | T-1.I.2:1-2)




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    #28191509 - 02/17/23 11:48 AM (11 months, 4 days ago)

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13. Miracles are both beginnings and endings, and so they alter the temporal order. ²They are always affirmations of rebirth, which seem to go back but really go forward. ³They undo the past in the present, and thus release the future.




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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: durian_2008]
    #28192277 - 02/17/23 09:01 PM (11 months, 4 days ago)

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Nothing in its teachings have any instructions on how to alter matter.





I think most varietals of Christianity could agree to a version of reality, which has fallen to sin, so decays over time. I am not trying to find fault in your cosmology, except for I don't see why the title line is about miracles.

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I have created things with mind over matter.





Would you like to explain the process, here, or in-private?

I can't tell whether I'm putting you on the spot, or if it would be a good testimonial.



To be honest I had no control or knowledge of the clothing items that spontaneously generated in my closet.. but I did have the faith for it to happen.

I do know that it can be controlled.. my father knows how to do this..

And about putting me on the spot.. well fire away I'm always listening and eager to get into discussions about interesting things.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28192345 - 02/17/23 09:58 PM (11 months, 4 days ago)

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the faith for it to happen




Is it a realization that some kind of Mandela Effect or anomaly has happened, already?

You don't get to name what you want?

These people say it is 'already done':




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    #28192500 - 02/18/23 03:05 AM (11 months, 3 days ago)

I see it forming from some type of gestalt mechanism..

It had to blend in with the other objects..

The item you are creating or cocreating has a purpose.


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28192586 - 02/18/23 06:39 AM (11 months, 3 days ago)

This discussion, whilst interesting, has gone off topic. Any chance of moving it to a different thread?


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Re: A course in miracles/non-dualistic belief system [Re: tinymadidea]
    #28192852 - 02/18/23 10:52 AM (11 months, 3 days ago)

:spock: Ok, I'll ask without mentioning the book series.


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