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Offlinefeldman114
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How often can I trip without repercussions?
    #26420716 - 01/07/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420729 - 01/07/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

when i am not micro dosing, i trip on Wednesday and a Saturday or Sunday. so 3-4 days between? never noticed anything bad.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420733 - 01/07/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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feldman114 said:
As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?



Form what I have read tripping on shrooms should be a week apart due to tolerance. I’ve microdosed and taking large doses and have had a mild trip. I have read it’s best to leave a week, you might as well keep it religious, “keep the sabbath holy” especially if Jesus is a mushroom


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420739 - 01/07/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

For tolerance purposes, a week between doses is the standard when it comes to consuming mushrooms regularly. Though with oral DMT you can consume it whenever/as often as you like because it has no tolerance, though DMT does require MAO-A inhibition to be orally active. I took oral DMT daily/near daily for 4 years, and for the most part i was/am just fine, though Cannabis now affects me very undesirably but that's the only negative i can think of, though i'm sure i overdid it a little but didn't have any negative consequences from oral DMT, but that's me.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420796 - 01/07/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

People say 3 or 4 days is fine. But long term? I’m not so sure. You can start to feel like you’re losing your marbles. Your thoughts can become, well, strange! You can become confused, lose sight of your intentions.

In my 20s, after 2 years heavy use (every one maybe two, maybe three weeks), and a very bad liberty cap trip, I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward. Seriously thought I was going mad. I had the notorious acid stare; think of it as the 1000 yard stare. We used to call these people round our way, acid freaks! I’d become one.

Also be aware, at some point, different for all people, your tolerance will increase. You will lose the “magic”. For me, if I trip at weekly intervals, this happens on the third week. The tolerance issue may also be related to the dose you are taking. So for microdoses, probably minimal tolerance build up, though I have no direct experience of microdosing. I generally dose at the 3.8g dry cubensis range, and get the magic at fortnightly intervals. And on an heroic dose, I know the UFC ex-fighter now presenter, Dan Hardy, takes 5g at roughly monthly intervals. (Check his interview about this out on London Real on youtube, or their website). However, regarding heroic doses, consider what the legend that was Terence McKenna advocated: dose HIGH but INFREQUENTLY. The benefits of psychedelics come during the afterwards integration of the experience. If you trip too frequently, you will miss out on this very important element.

Hope this helps,
DJ Ed


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26420825 - 01/07/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks erry’body!

So looks like the consensus is 7 days, which is pretty great:crazy2:


Related question:
Tolerance aside, I notice my trips feel more and more predictable and mundane. I think it’s because I’m taking the same dosage every time. What would be a good boost from 3.5g? I’m looking for an amount that won’t have me thinking “fuck, should’ve taken more” the whole time.
Don’t wanna go for heroic dozes if I can help it, as I’m mostly tripping alone...plus all I got atm is PE blobs, which are freakish potent. I think I might go too deep on 5-7g of these things.
Basically, am I gonna feel the difference at 4g? 4.5?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26420836 - 01/07/20 11:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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DJ Ed said:
People say 3 or 4 days is fine. But long term? I’m not so sure. You can start to feel like you’re losing your marbles. Your thoughts can become, well, strange! You can become confused, lose sight of your intentions.

In my 20s, after 2 years heavy use (every one maybe two, maybe three weeks), and a very bad liberty cap trip, I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward. Seriously thought I was going mad. I had the notorious acid stare; think of it as the 1000 yard stare. We used to call these people round our way, acid freaks! I’d become one.

Also be aware, at some point, different for all people, your tolerance will increase. You will lose the “magic”. For me, if I trip at weekly intervals, this happens on the third week. The tolerance issue may also be related to the dose you are taking. So for microdoses, probably minimal tolerance build up, though I have no direct experience of microdosing. I generally dose at the 3.8g dry cubensis range, and get the magic at fortnightly intervals. And on an heroic dose, I know the UFC ex-fighter now presenter, Dan Hardy, takes 5g at roughly monthly intervals. (Check his interview about this out on London Real on youtube, or their website). However, regarding heroic doses, consider what the legend that was Terence McKenna advocated: dose HIGH but INFREQUENTLY. The benefits of psychedelics come during the afterwards integration of the experience. If you trip too frequently, you will miss out on this very important element.

Hope this helps,
DJ Ed




Thanks for taking the time to write that up’

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun. At first, I was always just tolerating the body sensations to look for deeper meaning and shit. But, after trying some tripping techniques - in particular, letting the mushroom gods lead the trip wherever they take it - I’ve come to enjoy every facet of the experience. The mushrooms just told me to have fun and be happy for 4 hours instead of attempting to meditate lol


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26420909 - 01/07/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:

Everyone has already pointed out tolerance so I won't mention it.

In terms of psychological health, it depends on the person. It is possible that frequent long term use can negatively impact the psyche of some, and it will have no adverse effects on others.

In terms of physical health, it is rather unknown. We know that psilocybin mushrooms have one of the lowest rates of toxicity of any substance. So barring any pre-existing conditions, mushroom use will not harm you. However, there aren't enough long term studies to show us how frequent and long term dosing (together) can harm you.

I read an in-depth study about how drugs that bind to 5-HT2B receptors carry risks of causing heart problems. But we don't have enough data on psilocybin and its mechanisms to conclude either way.

Here is a quick article (not scientific or anything, you'll have to dig hard to find those)

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics-heart-risk/


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421283 - 01/07/20 02:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey brother,

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun

You’ve definitely got your head screwed on and are listening to our advice. Thumbs up to you, fella.

Yeah, when you lose the magic, the trips will become, dare I say, “boring”. And we don’t want that! Give your self a break for two weeks. Try the same 3.5g dose. Trust me. Then decide how much to increase your next trip doseage by, after at least another two weeks.

Then come back here, tell us how you got on, nd maybe a trip report. Let yourself go, trip alone, and I promise your trip will be intense and rewarding. Then if you jump to 4g; you WILL notice a difference. Trust me on all of this, hopefully the shroomery will back me up.

Definitely take the break, and best of luck to you.
DJ Ed


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26421299 - 01/07/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Hey brother,

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun

You’ve definitely got your head screwed on and are listening to our advice. Thumbs up to you, fella.

Yeah, when you lose the magic, the trips will become, dare I say, “boring”. And we don’t want that! Give your self a break for two weeks. Try the same 3.5g dose. Trust me. Then decide how much to increase your next trip doseage by, after at least another two weeks.

Then come back here, tell us how you got on, nd maybe a trip report. Let yourself go, trip alone, and I promise your trip will be intense and rewarding. Then if you jump to 4g; you WILL notice a difference. Trust me on all of this, hopefully the shroomery will back me up.

Definitely take the break, and best of luck to you.
DJ Ed




Ahhh this is the response I feared but kinda assumed was true from the start. 2 weeks is just...it’s too long lol I have no will power

I’m gonna try to take a week off first. If it’s still dull, I’ll wait 2 weeks.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421339 - 01/07/20 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, no problemo at all 👊🏻

So how about this then; 10 days!

By “magic” I mean, you’ll see fairies tinkling aroundnin the night sky, and you will feel euphoric. Try a week. Then give it ten days and compare. Then give it two weeks.

For me, 10 days is impractical as I work away so has to be a Friday. I’d rather wait, painful as it is. Having said that, my nerves always start to build when I’ve got about five days to my next trip! If I tripped at weekly intervals, then I’d be permanently anxious lol.

Take care,
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26421377 - 01/07/20 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on the person. Some people are very unlucky and get fucked up on their first time (HPPD 1/50000, PTSD unknown odds), and others can trip constantly with no adverse effects.

I noticed adverse effects on my vision and thinking (I didn't become dumber, but I started always thinking of images in weird ways) when I tripped multiple times a week. These subsided over time for me, but for some very unlucky people they might not and could even get worse.

There are risks associated with pyschedelic use, but if you've been tripping at a certain frequency and never noticed any adverse effects, it is extremely unlikely that same frequency will cause adverse effects in the future (only thing I can think of is a traumatic trip causing HPPD or maybe flashbacks developing)

The classic pyschs (5ht2a receptor) are the safest drugs in existence according to multiple studies. Weed, even caffeine have more risks associated. So don't let the fringe cases scare you. But they DO happen, and a lot of people here like to pretend they don't.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26421679 - 01/07/20 06:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That’s some good poasts.


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    #26421856 - 01/07/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm was a very frequent tripper. I cultivated mushrooms for a handful of years and then had a decent stash of LSD for a time so yeah, I enjoyed that and enjoyed partaking.

Sometimes I would go on 2 to 3 month stretches where I might trip literally once every week.

Would I advise it? Like some have said, that really is dependent on the person. Now keep in mind, I didn't do this regularly by doing heavy doses. My doses were almost always exclusively "recreational" doses. You know, a single blotter or two.

I always enjoyed it and the majority of those trips I had a blast. And the tolerance, also as pointed out, never ever dipped so long as I kept roughly a full week in between.

Now does one risk "the magic" waning? As far as the profoundness of it? Sure. That you have to be careful with.

Look I've had my share of DEEP, profound experiences that I'll never forget. Just amazing experiences with all the "magic".

But for me I reached a point where I almost looked at it as a "day enhancer" if you will. Not the magic one would have if he/she only tripped like once a year -- but still.

All my senses heightened. Emotions. Introspection. All of that. And at that point that's what I wanted. I don't really have the urge for super deep experiences anymore. I mean maybe one day in the future, but not currently.

If you are stable mentally, and are responsible, I think one can trip without repercussions as long as they want. And no I never went off the deep end or started to lose my mind or anything.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421894 - 01/07/20 08:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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feldman114 said:
I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.




You wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms?  I'm afraid it may be a little late for your mental state...just kidding. I'm sure that was just a typo

Seriously though, I ate them daily (usually for breakfast and sometimes again later) for about a week in my younger days.  Everyday was awesome even if it wasn't a real hard trip.
There's nothing wrong with taking them daily to see what it does.  Worse case scenario you don't get much out of it


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26422078 - 01/07/20 10:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Be careful doing whatever Stallion does. You might end up like him.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422095 - 01/07/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26404221/page/1

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Korean Jesus said: Is it safe for me to keep tripping? +
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I have slight visual distortions as a result of pyschedelic use. I get very brief afterimages that become not brief (lasting 10s or so) if I close my eyes after looking at very bright objects in the dark. If I stare at something for a while and let my eyes unfocus it starts to move. I have mild static and visual snow in the dark. Mild HPPD symptoms, basically.

The last time I tripped was a few weeks ago, the last time I smoked weed was a few days ago. Initially, the visual distortions were subsiding, but constant weed use kept them pretty apparent. After ceasing to smoke weed, they again started to reduce, but for the past two days or so they seem to have settled and won't go away.

Right now, it affects nothing in my life. I can read small text just fine, which wasn't the case in the days after my last trip (it was pretty hard but possible). I'm a bit worried though, that if I keep tripping, my vision could get fucked up forever?

I absolutely love tripping and I believe it has had a very positive affect on my mind and my health. I'd hate to have to give it up, but my vision is more important. What do you guys think?




Wow...KoreanJesus, just a few days ago you were so scared that it wasn't even safe for you to trip anymore and here you are encouraging others to do so?  You talk a bunch of dumb shit and can't stand being called out on it.  Then you message me saying "let's drop it" and now you're gonna take a shot like that?  Well, my friend, you are just proving me completely wrong about ya!


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422103 - 01/07/20 10:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

says the kid who eats acid every 2-3 days :dawerp:

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I didn't become dumber.



The jury is still out on that one...


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26422124 - 01/07/20 10:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey hey, what's up Babylon?

I'm sure glad you said it, cause I sure had a hard time not pointing that out... I didn't wanna feel like I was piling on or flaming or anything

You seriously made me LOL just then though
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26422137 - 01/07/20 10:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I avoided responding, was just gonna let it float on by, but then he tried to start the fire back up with that petty jab. Had to then... :boxing:


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