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How often can I trip without repercussions?
    #26420716 - 01/07/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420729 - 01/07/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

when i am not micro dosing, i trip on Wednesday and a Saturday or Sunday. so 3-4 days between? never noticed anything bad.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420733 - 01/07/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?



Form what I have read tripping on shrooms should be a week apart due to tolerance. I’ve microdosed and taking large doses and have had a mild trip. I have read it’s best to leave a week, you might as well keep it religious, “keep the sabbath holy” especially if Jesus is a mushroom


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420739 - 01/07/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

For tolerance purposes, a week between doses is the standard when it comes to consuming mushrooms regularly. Though with oral DMT you can consume it whenever/as often as you like because it has no tolerance, though DMT does require MAO-A inhibition to be orally active. I took oral DMT daily/near daily for 4 years, and for the most part i was/am just fine, though Cannabis now affects me very undesirably but that's the only negative i can think of, though i'm sure i overdid it a little but didn't have any negative consequences from oral DMT, but that's me.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26420796 - 01/07/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

People say 3 or 4 days is fine. But long term? I’m not so sure. You can start to feel like you’re losing your marbles. Your thoughts can become, well, strange! You can become confused, lose sight of your intentions.

In my 20s, after 2 years heavy use (every one maybe two, maybe three weeks), and a very bad liberty cap trip, I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward. Seriously thought I was going mad. I had the notorious acid stare; think of it as the 1000 yard stare. We used to call these people round our way, acid freaks! I’d become one.

Also be aware, at some point, different for all people, your tolerance will increase. You will lose the “magic”. For me, if I trip at weekly intervals, this happens on the third week. The tolerance issue may also be related to the dose you are taking. So for microdoses, probably minimal tolerance build up, though I have no direct experience of microdosing. I generally dose at the 3.8g dry cubensis range, and get the magic at fortnightly intervals. And on an heroic dose, I know the UFC ex-fighter now presenter, Dan Hardy, takes 5g at roughly monthly intervals. (Check his interview about this out on London Real on youtube, or their website). However, regarding heroic doses, consider what the legend that was Terence McKenna advocated: dose HIGH but INFREQUENTLY. The benefits of psychedelics come during the afterwards integration of the experience. If you trip too frequently, you will miss out on this very important element.

Hope this helps,
DJ Ed


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26420825 - 01/07/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Thanks erry’body!

So looks like the consensus is 7 days, which is pretty great:crazy2:


Related question:
Tolerance aside, I notice my trips feel more and more predictable and mundane. I think it’s because I’m taking the same dosage every time. What would be a good boost from 3.5g? I’m looking for an amount that won’t have me thinking “fuck, should’ve taken more” the whole time.
Don’t wanna go for heroic dozes if I can help it, as I’m mostly tripping alone...plus all I got atm is PE blobs, which are freakish potent. I think I might go too deep on 5-7g of these things.
Basically, am I gonna feel the difference at 4g? 4.5?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26420836 - 01/07/20 11:26 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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People say 3 or 4 days is fine. But long term? I’m not so sure. You can start to feel like you’re losing your marbles. Your thoughts can become, well, strange! You can become confused, lose sight of your intentions.

In my 20s, after 2 years heavy use (every one maybe two, maybe three weeks), and a very bad liberty cap trip, I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward. Seriously thought I was going mad. I had the notorious acid stare; think of it as the 1000 yard stare. We used to call these people round our way, acid freaks! I’d become one.

Also be aware, at some point, different for all people, your tolerance will increase. You will lose the “magic”. For me, if I trip at weekly intervals, this happens on the third week. The tolerance issue may also be related to the dose you are taking. So for microdoses, probably minimal tolerance build up, though I have no direct experience of microdosing. I generally dose at the 3.8g dry cubensis range, and get the magic at fortnightly intervals. And on an heroic dose, I know the UFC ex-fighter now presenter, Dan Hardy, takes 5g at roughly monthly intervals. (Check his interview about this out on London Real on youtube, or their website). However, regarding heroic doses, consider what the legend that was Terence McKenna advocated: dose HIGH but INFREQUENTLY. The benefits of psychedelics come during the afterwards integration of the experience. If you trip too frequently, you will miss out on this very important element.

Hope this helps,
DJ Ed




Thanks for taking the time to write that up’

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun. At first, I was always just tolerating the body sensations to look for deeper meaning and shit. But, after trying some tripping techniques - in particular, letting the mushroom gods lead the trip wherever they take it - I’ve come to enjoy every facet of the experience. The mushrooms just told me to have fun and be happy for 4 hours instead of attempting to meditate lol


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26420909 - 01/07/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

:whathesaid:

Everyone has already pointed out tolerance so I won't mention it.

In terms of psychological health, it depends on the person. It is possible that frequent long term use can negatively impact the psyche of some, and it will have no adverse effects on others.

In terms of physical health, it is rather unknown. We know that psilocybin mushrooms have one of the lowest rates of toxicity of any substance. So barring any pre-existing conditions, mushroom use will not harm you. However, there aren't enough long term studies to show us how frequent and long term dosing (together) can harm you.

I read an in-depth study about how drugs that bind to 5-HT2B receptors carry risks of causing heart problems. But we don't have enough data on psilocybin and its mechanisms to conclude either way.

Here is a quick article (not scientific or anything, you'll have to dig hard to find those)

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics-heart-risk/


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421283 - 01/07/20 02:54 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Hey brother,

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun

You’ve definitely got your head screwed on and are listening to our advice. Thumbs up to you, fella.

Yeah, when you lose the magic, the trips will become, dare I say, “boring”. And we don’t want that! Give your self a break for two weeks. Try the same 3.5g dose. Trust me. Then decide how much to increase your next trip doseage by, after at least another two weeks.

Then come back here, tell us how you got on, nd maybe a trip report. Let yourself go, trip alone, and I promise your trip will be intense and rewarding. Then if you jump to 4g; you WILL notice a difference. Trust me on all of this, hopefully the shroomery will back me up.

Definitely take the break, and best of luck to you.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26421299 - 01/07/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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Hey brother,

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun

You’ve definitely got your head screwed on and are listening to our advice. Thumbs up to you, fella.

Yeah, when you lose the magic, the trips will become, dare I say, “boring”. And we don’t want that! Give your self a break for two weeks. Try the same 3.5g dose. Trust me. Then decide how much to increase your next trip doseage by, after at least another two weeks.

Then come back here, tell us how you got on, nd maybe a trip report. Let yourself go, trip alone, and I promise your trip will be intense and rewarding. Then if you jump to 4g; you WILL notice a difference. Trust me on all of this, hopefully the shroomery will back me up.

Definitely take the break, and best of luck to you.
DJ Ed




Ahhh this is the response I feared but kinda assumed was true from the start. 2 weeks is just...it’s too long lol I have no will power

I’m gonna try to take a week off first. If it’s still dull, I’ll wait 2 weeks.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421339 - 01/07/20 03:19 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Haha, no problemo at all 👊🏻

So how about this then; 10 days!

By “magic” I mean, you’ll see fairies tinkling aroundnin the night sky, and you will feel euphoric. Try a week. Then give it ten days and compare. Then give it two weeks.

For me, 10 days is impractical as I work away so has to be a Friday. I’d rather wait, painful as it is. Having said that, my nerves always start to build when I’ve got about five days to my next trip! If I tripped at weekly intervals, then I’d be permanently anxious lol.

Take care,
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26421377 - 01/07/20 03:39 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Depends on the person. Some people are very unlucky and get fucked up on their first time (HPPD 1/50000, PTSD unknown odds), and others can trip constantly with no adverse effects.

I noticed adverse effects on my vision and thinking (I didn't become dumber, but I started always thinking of images in weird ways) when I tripped multiple times a week. These subsided over time for me, but for some very unlucky people they might not and could even get worse.

There are risks associated with pyschedelic use, but if you've been tripping at a certain frequency and never noticed any adverse effects, it is extremely unlikely that same frequency will cause adverse effects in the future (only thing I can think of is a traumatic trip causing HPPD or maybe flashbacks developing)

The classic pyschs (5ht2a receptor) are the safest drugs in existence according to multiple studies. Weed, even caffeine have more risks associated. So don't let the fringe cases scare you. But they DO happen, and a lot of people here like to pretend they don't.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26421679 - 01/07/20 06:32 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

That’s some good poasts.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26421856 - 01/07/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I'm was a very frequent tripper. I cultivated mushrooms for a handful of years and then had a decent stash of LSD for a time so yeah, I enjoyed that and enjoyed partaking.

Sometimes I would go on 2 to 3 month stretches where I might trip literally once every week.

Would I advise it? Like some have said, that really is dependent on the person. Now keep in mind, I didn't do this regularly by doing heavy doses. My doses were almost always exclusively "recreational" doses. You know, a single blotter or two.

I always enjoyed it and the majority of those trips I had a blast. And the tolerance, also as pointed out, never ever dipped so long as I kept roughly a full week in between.

Now does one risk "the magic" waning? As far as the profoundness of it? Sure. That you have to be careful with.

Look I've had my share of DEEP, profound experiences that I'll never forget. Just amazing experiences with all the "magic".

But for me I reached a point where I almost looked at it as a "day enhancer" if you will. Not the magic one would have if he/she only tripped like once a year -- but still.

All my senses heightened. Emotions. Introspection. All of that. And at that point that's what I wanted. I don't really have the urge for super deep experiences anymore. I mean maybe one day in the future, but not currently.

If you are stable mentally, and are responsible, I think one can trip without repercussions as long as they want. And no I never went off the deep end or started to lose my mind or anything.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26421894 - 01/07/20 08:00 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.




You wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms?  I'm afraid it may be a little late for your mental state...just kidding. I'm sure that was just a typo

Seriously though, I ate them daily (usually for breakfast and sometimes again later) for about a week in my younger days.  Everyday was awesome even if it wasn't a real hard trip.
There's nothing wrong with taking them daily to see what it does.  Worse case scenario you don't get much out of it


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26422078 - 01/07/20 10:01 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Be careful doing whatever Stallion does. You might end up like him.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422095 - 01/07/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26404221/page/1

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Korean Jesus said: Is it safe for me to keep tripping? +
    #26404221 - 12/28/19 09:58 AM (10 days, 14 hours ago)

I have slight visual distortions as a result of pyschedelic use. I get very brief afterimages that become not brief (lasting 10s or so) if I close my eyes after looking at very bright objects in the dark. If I stare at something for a while and let my eyes unfocus it starts to move. I have mild static and visual snow in the dark. Mild HPPD symptoms, basically.

The last time I tripped was a few weeks ago, the last time I smoked weed was a few days ago. Initially, the visual distortions were subsiding, but constant weed use kept them pretty apparent. After ceasing to smoke weed, they again started to reduce, but for the past two days or so they seem to have settled and won't go away.

Right now, it affects nothing in my life. I can read small text just fine, which wasn't the case in the days after my last trip (it was pretty hard but possible). I'm a bit worried though, that if I keep tripping, my vision could get fucked up forever?

I absolutely love tripping and I believe it has had a very positive affect on my mind and my health. I'd hate to have to give it up, but my vision is more important. What do you guys think?




Wow...KoreanJesus, just a few days ago you were so scared that it wasn't even safe for you to trip anymore and here you are encouraging others to do so?  You talk a bunch of dumb shit and can't stand being called out on it.  Then you message me saying "let's drop it" and now you're gonna take a shot like that?  Well, my friend, you are just proving me completely wrong about ya!


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422103 - 01/07/20 10:17 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

says the kid who eats acid every 2-3 days :dawerp:

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I didn't become dumber.



The jury is still out on that one...


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26422124 - 01/07/20 10:30 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Hey hey, what's up Babylon?

I'm sure glad you said it, cause I sure had a hard time not pointing that out... I didn't wanna feel like I was piling on or flaming or anything

You seriously made me LOL just then though
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26422137 - 01/07/20 10:37 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

I avoided responding, was just gonna let it float on by, but then he tried to start the fire back up with that petty jab. Had to then... :boxing:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26422146 - 01/07/20 10:44 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Ha, good looking out man. I was doing the same thing but then here he comes saying sumpin all toopid... I'm getting off of here. Can't do it anymore today
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422155 - 01/07/20 10:55 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Ok ok...just one more
We got off on the right foot with you agreeing with me and my tough love approach...

TheStallionMang said:
This is a totally normal thing..KoreanJesus, you're thinking too much and worrying about dumb shit.  I'd say your eyes/vision are totally safe when it comes to trippin.  It's your pansy ass mentality that makes me think this isn't safe for you.

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Mmm I’m starting to agree with you actually Stallion




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Korean Jesus said:
Be careful doing whatever Stallion does. You might end up like him.




But now this?!  C'mon man, I thought you said you wanted to drop it...


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26422171 - 01/07/20 11:05 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Hey stallion try to relax, no point getting banned over an "expert" with 5 trips under his belt(all in a 2 week period:facepalm:) and 2 months of psychedelic experience:smilingpuppy:

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26422182 - 01/07/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?




I've tripped full on doses (adjusted for tolerance obviously) 3-5 days a week for months at a time, when I had a reason to do so.

The only downside ever was when I eventually stopped cold there were a few days of blunted affect as your tolerance subsides, things seem emotionally barren and it's hard to get motivated.  But it passes quickly.  That's it.  No weird mental shit unless you started out with that. :laugh2:

These were trips that bring OEV during the peak, which was my target.  After full tolerance set in (it peaks out) it took around 200-250 g fresh (as tea) of ordinary cubes, and about 150 g fresh of PE to maintain the daily regime.

Here's a sample of my trip journal from one of those times re dosage:



tl;dr  there is no line


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26422226 - 01/08/20 12:15 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Hey stallion try to relax, no point getting banned over an "expert" with 5 trips under his belt(all in a 2 week period:facepalm:) and 2 months of psychedelic experience:smilingpuppy:

Get some sleep man, all is good



Did you two just jerk each other off for a full page of posts because I took a small shot at one of you? And you can't even count correctly? Jesus christ...

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feldman114 said:
As far as I know, there are no adverse long-term health problems associated with occasional tripping. At the same time, eating a QP in 2 weeks will likely send me to the loony bin.

So, where should I draw the line?

I wanna trip as much as possible cause mushrooms. But I don’t want it to fuck with my health AND I don’t wanna overload myself mentally.

For example, I took 3.5 on New Years and another 3.5 last night. When can I safely trip again?




I've tripped full on doses (adjusted for tolerance obviously) 3-5 days a week for months at a time, when I had a reason to do so.

The only downside ever was when I eventually stopped cold there were a few days of blunted affect as your tolerance subsides, things seem emotionally barren and it's hard to get motivated.  But it passes quickly.  That's it.  No weird mental shit unless you started out with that. :laugh2:

These were trips that bring OEV during the peak, which was my target.  After full tolerance set in (it peaks out) it took around 200-250 g fresh (as tea) of ordinary cubes, and about 150 g fresh of PE to maintain the daily regime.

Here's a sample of my trip journal from one of those times re dosage:



tl;dr  there is no line



Do you think doses that high could have an adverse effect on heart health? Also, on an unrelated note, have you ever thought about what would happen if you took 150g or 250g without tolerance?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422268 - 01/08/20 01:27 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Close enough to get the point across.

If you wanna watch this Paul Stamets describes a, IIRC, 20g dry dose without tolerance (may have been his first experience, i don't remember its been awhile since i watched it) that according to him cured his stutter


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    #26422277 - 01/08/20 01:36 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

The advice here is terrible. You should not trip more than once a month.


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    #26422285 - 01/08/20 01:42 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Ideally yes, and you get more out of it.
However, 2 weeks is generally enough to get most people back to baseline(zero tolerance)


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    #26422412 - 01/08/20 06:38 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Hey brother,

Yeah, I’m starting to “lose the magic” already. It sucks cause I finally got so comfortable with mushrooms that I can take them for fun

You’ve definitely got your head screwed on and are listening to our advice. Thumbs up to you, fella.

Yeah, when you lose the magic, the trips will become, dare I say, “boring”. And we don’t want that! Give your self a break for two weeks. Try the same 3.5g dose. Trust me. Then decide how much to increase your next trip doseage by, after at least another two weeks.

Then come back here, tell us how you got on, nd maybe a trip report. Let yourself go, trip alone, and I promise your trip will be intense and rewarding. Then if you jump to 4g; you WILL notice a difference. Trust me on all of this, hopefully the shroomery will back me up.

Definitely take the break, and best of luck to you.
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I would have to agree with this completely. If trips are starting to become "boring", AKA losing their magic- a  break is needed. I've been down that rabbit hole. Taking 3/4g every other weekend and it was just getting a tad boring. Waited a few weeks and let everything settle and the magic came back more than ever.

Taking that break is so worth it. I know they can be fun.. and majestical. But everything in moderation. When it starts to lose its spark- that's saying a lot. Of course if you decide to take 5g+ you won't be saying that:lol: but you're taking it slow, just like me.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26422422 - 01/08/20 06:56 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

As people have stated, it depends on the person
and the dose.

I, at least in my younger shell with less responsibility, can easily handle taking 500mg - 1.5g doses on a daily basis for an exteneded - and have, for probably half a year at that point in time.
It didn't lose the magic; some doses were mild, some were strong; cubes vary in potency. But, as far as my tolerance and mental well-being were concerned, it was a fantastic time the whole way through.

Now, if you're taking 2g+ and heavily hallucinating on the daily, that's when you start to get spent and notice the tolerance buildup.

Really, my opinion now is that you can take µ (100mg - 300mg) doses daily. Mild (500mg - 2g) weekly. Moderate (3g - 5g) doses monthly. And heavy (5g+) doses quarterly.
It sounds oddly specific because it is. To me.

Also mentioned is the potential cardiac risk of prolonged use. As far as I can tell, there is basically no real evidence to back that up and your cheeseburger is probably gonna get you before the mushrooms.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: footpath]
    #26422573 - 01/08/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Shiit, guess there’s nothing like a beef to spice a thread up lol

Thanks again everyone, some primo info here. Wish I was on my laptop so I could quote/respond individually but I’m a full-time office slave, so I’m doing this ninja-style on my phone.

Omg whoever said they got their dosage up to 150g wet PE - you’re a trooper man. You should have a “Trusted Traveler” badge. Also makes me feel better about wanting to trip again next weekend hehe...:shrug:


From what I’m seeing, looks like there is no “line” to tread with mushrooms. I’m planning increase my breaks by 1 day with each trip, until I feel the “magic” again.gonna stick with 3.5g PE blobs.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26422603 - 01/08/20 09:47 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

They're slopping burgers all over our psychedelic experience...

Yeah, 30g doses (for me) are reserved for only so often. Meaning three times in the past 15 years. So, once every 5 years, take down 300 wet grams.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: footpath]
    #26422615 - 01/08/20 09:53 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Oh man that must be something.
I’m still working up the courage to eat 10g..

My 7g trips were the best, but got a bit dark during the peak... complete with Face-melting sensations and a visit from dead relatives.


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    #26422640 - 01/08/20 10:00 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

It's common to hear, and I can attest, that the higher doses are actually an easier ride.
Having a grip on reality can give you whiplash.
When you have no choice but to fully check out, it seems like there's nothing there to trouble you.
Landing back down can be a little turbulent from time to time... but nothing like being halfway between worlds.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26422643 - 01/08/20 10:02 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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The advice here is terrible. You should not trip more than once a month.




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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: footpath]
    #26422702 - 01/08/20 10:27 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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It's common to hear, and I can attest, that the higher doses are actually an easier ride.
Having a grip on reality can give you whiplash.
When you have no choice but to fully check out, it seems like there's nothing there to trouble you.
Landing back down can be a little turbulent from time to time... but nothing like being halfway between worlds.




I heard of this but...well...I guess I’m a bit of a bitch lol. Like I’ve made a 10g tea multiple times, then pussied out of chugging the whole thing.

Maybe after hearing about all yous people’s 30g trips, I’ll go for it next time🤞🤞🤞


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26422867 - 01/08/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

5g was the most intense experience of my life. I’m not sure I wouldn’t get PTSD or traumatized or whatever from something higher, although I’m super curious about what it’d be like. Maybe down the line when I have a lot more tripping experience


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26422940 - 01/08/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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So, where should I draw the line?





I did 1-2g of ape almost everyday for a month and after that I've routinely shroomed 2 or 3 times a week for the last two years.

Test your limits know yourself. I found that nobody knows more about my experiences than I do. Tolerance is a weird thing. I think it's all in your head. Just as long as I feed the fire I can trip daily.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26422944 - 01/08/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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So, where should I draw the line?




Tolerance is a weird thing. I think it's all in your head. Just as long as I feed the fire I can trip daily.

Fueling the fire is more about set and setting style stuff.




Maybe some of it, but the vast majority of tolerance is biological. Your system simply becomes more efficient at processing psilocybin with repeated exposure.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26422982 - 01/08/20 01:34 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

What changes that biology is so very extensive and intricate, you can't just say your system 'simply' does anything.
Considering much of that efficiency has to do with neurological function as well as digestive/absorptive functions, you also can't possibly say the 'vast majority' of it does anything.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26423055 - 01/08/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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So, where should I draw the line?





I did 1-2g of ape almost everyday for a month and after that I've routinely shroomed 2 or 3 times a week for the last two years.

Test your limits know yourself. I found that nobody knows more about my experiences than I do. Tolerance is a weird thing. I think it's all in your head. Just as long as I feed the fire I can trip daily.

Fueling the fire is more about set and setting style stuff.




Okay, my mind is totally at ease now about the health concerns. Talk about the best years of one’s life lol:snowman:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26423089 - 01/08/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Do you think doses that high could have an adverse effect on heart health?




No.  But you want to be really fit if you go there as it improves the overall effect no end.

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Also, on an unrelated note, have you ever thought about what would happen if you took 150g or 250g without tolerance?






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    #26425800 - 01/10/20 01:57 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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What changes that biology is so very extensive and intricate, you can't just say your system 'simply' does anything.
Considering much of that efficiency has to do with neurological function as well as digestive/absorptive functions, you also can't possibly say the 'vast majority' of it does anything.

Weren't you just recently talking shit on everyone here for not honoring individuality?



Some things are universal. Tolerance is one of them.

I’m not saying that some people don’t experience tolerance differently, but it’s a biological fact that you will eventually develop physical tolerance to LSD and shrooms with repeated use.


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    #26426686 - 01/10/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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footpath said:
It's common to hear, and I can attest, that the higher doses are actually an easier ride.
Having a grip on reality can give you whiplash.
When you have no choice but to fully check out, it seems like there's nothing there to trouble you.
Landing back down can be a little turbulent from time to time... but nothing like being halfway between worlds.




I heard of this but...well...I guess I’m a bit of a bitch lol. Like I’ve made a 10g tea multiple times, then pussied out of chugging the whole thing.

Maybe after hearing about all yous people’s 30g trips, I’ll go for it next time🤞🤞🤞



What was said certainly applies to the difference between not quite tripping and fully in the soup, much easier to dive all the way in. But I don't think it applies between ego dissolving doses and ego shattering doses. After all, when the show is over you have to pick up the pieces of your mind.

There's plenty of people who have had to deal with harsh psychological issues from very heavy trips. I've helped a lot of folks here as a sounding board and advisor dealing with the integration. It's not all sunshine and roses taking heroic doses. Trust yourself and what you want out of the experience. Don't try to emulate other people. Psychedelics are a mind tool and the most skilled users don't need to take massive doses to achieve the desired outcome.

If you reach a point where you want more, do it. But don't rashly eat 4 times what you normally would, unless you are prepared to suffer. Because there is a price to pay psychologically and it's easier for some but not others.


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    #26426765 - 01/10/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

There's plenty of people who have had to deal with harsh psychological issues from very heavy trips. I've helped a lot of folks here as a sounding board and advisor dealing with the integration. It's not all sunshine and roses taking heroic doses. Trust yourself and what you want out of the experience. Don't try to emulate other people. Psychedelics are a mind tool and the most skilled users don't need to take massive doses to achieve the desired outcome.

32 years ago, that was me, northerner. But my excuse was ignorance. If the internet and the shroomery had been around in 1987, I wouldn’t have suffered decades of existential trauma.

I’m so glad I came back to psilocybin though, in July 2016. And at a fraction of the doses we used to take, mushrooms are so very scary!!! I have learnt so much respect. I’m no sissy, but I get so worried before every single trip. But that feeling you get when the come up is over and you’re “there”, well, wow, what can I say that wouldn’t belittle it?

I go so far on 3.8g dried Psilocybe Cubensis B+

For what it’s worth, fella, just been chatting to the wife. My next move is to start getting out there! I’m going to start attending conventions and that kind of stuff, nd mingling with like-minded souls. And possibly when I get known, find an underground therapist who will offer “psilocybin assisted psychotherapy” 👍🏻

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26426777 - 01/10/20 03:40 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

So we have established tolerance is one thing. Integration is another. Sometimes trips don't give me anything of use, insight wise but they can still be fun (yes i dare to suggest that psychedelics can be fun). Now in that case it is up to the individual to determine if it is worth taking another dose shortly (days or weeks) after to try and get some magic. I'm in my thirties and quite happy to have three or four trips a year. When I was younger and had loads of good lsd, I was taking it a few times a month and it was great, but that changes over time. In my opinion, once you get the message, hang up the phone. But hey, listen to your own prevailing voice of reason.


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    #26426796 - 01/10/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Ultimately, both tolerance and reaction are entirely individual.
Hence everyone giving their own accounts.
Some people aren't even effected by certain substances.


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    #26426810 - 01/10/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I didn’t read all the posts but it’s all subjective. I’ve eaten hundreds of hits of cid with minimal chronic effects. Mostly acute or less than a few years. My brother on the other hand has had less than 10 hits and after his last trip became schizophrenic.


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    #26426850 - 01/10/20 04:21 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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I didn’t read all the posts but it’s all subjective. I’ve eaten hundreds of hits of cid with minimal chronic effects. Mostly acute or less than a few years. My brother on the other hand has had less than 10 hits and after his last trip became schizophrenic.



that's the only thing that really scares me, ya never know if you have a breaking point or not. I have taken a break from acid after my last trip I went bat shit insane and drank unhuman ammounts of liquor


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    #26426938 - 01/10/20 05:14 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I was 15 when I first started cid (95ish) I took a few hundred hits over the course of a few months and then continued until about 98. I had a very hard time reading words on a page and the typical too much acid effects. Brother was 18, mentally broke when he was tripping and found out his 16yo wife (I know right?) was cheeting on him. Lost his fucking marbles that night and never came back. Way the fuck off his rocker. Still is as far as I know. Haven’t talked to him in 7-8 years. He’s 41 now. He may of been predispositioned to mental illness as our mother wasn’t really that stable. The lsd and trauma probably just acted as the catalyst to trigger his illness.


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    #26426952 - 01/10/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I did DMT a few times when I was 18/19 and no other psychs until acid almost 2 years ago. been pretty wild with acid although I think it's time to taper down as longterm effects are a worry and some of my friends have said I need to slow it down a bit. I eat alot of shrooms though now. might need to take a break from all psychs but I enjoy being in a different world. my moms brother was schizo though and my mom is bi polar, I was diagnosed with some bi polar and manic depression last year, I have a pretty strong mind from not losing my shit just yet, but the chronic useage and high doses definitely were starting to push me there.


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    #26426968 - 01/10/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

You do know if you're close to breaking point, you may just choose to ignore it. Decisions, decisions...

A few years ago I went through a (another) heavy psychedelic romance. I was smoking DMT two or three times a week and tripping on acid with pretty heavy doses pretty much every weekend. I finally pushed it too far and ended up having a difficult experience. Took at least a year to come right from. I could notice my sense of "reality" improving dramatically season to season.

Best not to go there if you see the writing on the wall. Much easier to slow down, than fall off the bike completely and then try and get back on it. Hurts less too.


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    #26426983 - 01/10/20 05:49 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I feel ya, I haven't been pushing any boundaries but I don't need to add any unnecessary mental stressors. I definitely don't want to fall off the bike. the last trip I had on acid scared the fuck out of me though and it was only a tab, but I drank like 3 fifths and was spouting out gibberish in messages to people, I don't know how I was still functioning and I wasn't mispelling words at all while drunk tripping. someone put it very eloquently somewhere on here " when you get the message, hang up the phone.". I don't want to have to join reality, but I think it's necessary to maintain my sanity and drive to move forward to my present goals and passions. sometimes I get a bit too carried a way in the delusions and get steered off path.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26427289 - 01/10/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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But that feeling you get when the come up is over and you’re “there”, well, wow, what can I say that wouldn’t belittle it?




Yeah, that is exactly it in a nutshell.  :goodday:


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    #26427487 - 01/11/20 02:14 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Hmm some interesting responses regarding mushrooms / lsd and schizophrenia.

My understanding has always been that psychedelics cannot CAUSE schizophrenia, rather they can TRIGGER schizophrenia.

My best mate and I were one of a few who overdid it in 1987 / 1988. I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward, then was visited at home by a “drug counsellor” for a few months (when I realised he had never actually taken psychedelics himself, and was reading from a checklist, I asked him to leave and not come back. How the hell could he comment on the psychedelic headspace?)

But my friend became paranoid schizophrenic. Turned up at my house telling me he was a resurrected ancient king of Ireland, his girlfriend was the queen, my mum and dad knew about the prophecies, and the people who really run the country were telling him all this.....in his head. It was tragic, I lost my best mate there and then. It was like the lights are on but nobody’s at home.

It was poor coincidence however that his mum had also just died, at 40-something. So I am no longer sure it was the mushrooms and acid, but the death of his mother that triggered the schizophrenia.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429103 - 01/12/20 03:55 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.

Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.

Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE.
Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.

We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.

Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.

Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13]
    #26429229 - 01/12/20 07:03 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.

Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.

Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE.
Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.

We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.

Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.

Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...




Fascinating, mu5h13.

I’d like to add something that I read about recently in “David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air”. I’ll do my best to be accurate with this.

One of the various governments’ arguments against legalising cannabis. Basically there is purported to be a link between cannabis use and schizophrenia, and these days with super-strong skunk hitting the streets, the fear is the incidences of schizophrenia will increase.

That is the fear / claim.

But the scientific data does not back this up (funny that govt’s ignore actual data and rely on political slants / moral stances etc against drugs). Rather the scientific data does show a link. From memory, roughly 3% of people who smoke cannabis develop schizophrenia. But mapping this data against the increase in the strength of cannabis has shown: STILL THAT APPROX. 3% OF PEOPLE WHO USE STRONG CANNABIS DEVELOP SCHIZOPHRENIA!

So anyone with the slightest ability in maths will therefore conclude: there is no link between cannabis and schizophrenia. Or to be more accurate, I think it would be better to say that incidences of schizophrenia do not increase with increasing strength of cannabis.

Please don’t all slate me on this; rather, I’d ask you to go and read David Nutt’s book. You will not regret it, but you may be doubly angry about “the war on drugs”, when you’re finished reading!

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429234 - 01/12/20 07:09 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Hmm made a slight mistake above. David Nutt mapped the incidence of schizophrenia against increasing use of cannabis, not just strong cannabis. So imagine a graph; y-axis is number of users, x-axis is time. So the graph basically starts at the bottom left then steadily increases over the last 20 years. On this he plotted number of schizophrenics. The line was horizontal. Which means as number of cannabis users increased, number of schizophrenics stayed the same, over a twenty year period.

So sorry, there is therefore no scientifically proven link between cannabis use and schizophrenia.

Now young people taking strong cannabis and developing psychosis, well I’m not medically trained, but I believe that is not the same as schizophrenia being caused by cannabis.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429398 - 01/12/20 09:57 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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mu5h13 said:
Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.

Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.

Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE.
Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.

We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.

Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.

Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...




Fascinating, mu5h13.

I’d like to add something that I read about recently in “David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air”. I’ll do my best to be accurate with this.

One of the various governments’ arguments against legalising cannabis. Basically there is purported to be a link between cannabis use and schizophrenia, and these days with super-strong skunk hitting the streets, the fear is the incidences of schizophrenia will increase.

That is the fear / claim.

But the scientific data does not back this up (funny that govt’s ignore actual data and rely on political slants / moral stances etc against drugs). Rather the scientific data does show a link. From memory, roughly 3% of people who smoke cannabis develop schizophrenia. But mapping this data against the increase in the strength of cannabis has shown: STILL THAT APPROX. 3% OF PEOPLE WHO USE STRONG CANNABIS DEVELOP SCHIZOPHRENIA!

So anyone with the slightest ability in maths will therefore conclude: there is no link between cannabis and schizophrenia. Or to be more accurate, I think it would be better to say that incidences of schizophrenia do not increase with increasing strength of cannabis.

Please don’t all slate me on this; rather, I’d ask you to go and read David Nutt’s book. You will not regret it, but you may be doubly angry about “the war on drugs”, when you’re finished reading!

Mush love,
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Yeah the proportion of people that develop schizophrenia within society stays the same regardless of cannabis use.

For psychedelics I seem to remember reading that it does in fact increase slightly.

Yeah I'd love to read his book, but I've hated the 'war on drugs' passionately for a while now and more fuel on that fire probably isn't the best idea for me!

Schizophrenia is a very specific type of psychosis and is a permanent one. There are other forms (like schizoid and a variety of different flavours of psychotic episodes) which are temporary - a couple of weeks if lucky and a couple of years if not.
Schizophrenia is really rare and cannabis doesn't really alter it (or at least because of the rarity, the numbers used for statistical analyses only return low-power results).

Psychoses, in a broader sense and especially the episodic forms, unfortunately are a LOT more frequent in psychedelic drug users. And, while not permanent, require a long time of work and therapy to undo, which is a shame and an unfortunate result of people being silly with powerful medicines.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13] * 1
    #26429609 - 01/12/20 12:27 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...




Psychedelics don't cause psychosis (see Nature:No link found between psychedelics and psychosis 04 March 2015).

Pure speculation on my part is that the intense emotional amplification that can be experienced with psychedelics in large doses is your "trigger" mechanism.  The breaking down of understood reality experienced via the executive function of the brain can be terrifying for some people, particularly the inexperienced.  Hence a single heavy trip can really mess some people up, to put it colloquially.  That however all goes to set and setting and this has been well understood since sometime in the 1950's in western cultures.  :shrug:



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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26429625 - 01/12/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah, we're saying the same thing it seems.

Psychosis generally occurs when someone experiences something which so completely goes against their schemas for processing the world, and the resultant mis-match causes something to snap.

That may be the sudden death of a loved one, it may be an unforseen redundancy at work or it may be taking 2000ug of LSD.

My gripe is with the fact that some people naively believe that "only those with a predisposition to psychosis" can get it from psychedelics. And who therefore think that they can jump to taking a heroic dose of a substance as long as they have a good set and setting. My issue comes from people taking on board a half-truth and using it to justify decisions which, to anyone more experienced with these chemicals, would be classed as outright reckless.

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    #26430107 - 01/12/20 06:02 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I like to tripp every two weeks because of tollercne.  If i could id tripp every week like i did last summer. I definitely recommend taking a tollercne break or tripping can lose its magic.

I haven't noticed any long term effects from tripping an iv done alot of tripping in my day.  The omly thing i noticed is appreciate life more an i dont take things for granted.


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    #26430383 - 01/12/20 09:47 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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And who therefore think that they can jump to taking a heroic dose of a substance as long as they have a good set and setting.




:snoopyes:

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    #26431034 - 01/13/20 10:48 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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    #26431191 - 01/13/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Little update..

So I waited 7 days as planned, but my trip - which was supposed to be a controlled experiment-type-deal - got real messy.
My scale broke so I eye-balled 3.5g of PE blobs and...we’ll, turns out my eye balls are not very accurate. Of maybe 15-20 high-doze trips I’ve had, this was definitely in the top 3 most intense ones.
I suspect it was about 5g.

It was one of those therapy-on-steroids trips. The experience caught me by surprise, since my previous 3 trips were pure fun, laughter and mind-blowers. Anyway, I was all tears and snot by the time I started coming down. Lots of self-reflections, surreal memories and revelations about my personal life, spiritual growth, etc.

At one point a realization came over me. I realized that if I had never crossed the 5g line before (on less potent boomers) I would not be able to hold my shit together. Everything from the visuals to the body load and emotional sharpness was ALMOST overwhelmingly real. Only reason I didn’t panic is cause I’ve been down this road before.
So, for anyone reading this cause they have similar questions - please remember to up your dosage slowly.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26431310 - 01/13/20 01:08 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Well said feldman

I like how even though you took more than you meant to and things got "messy, snotty" etc, you didn't describe it as a "bad trip".  Sounds like you got some good out of it even if it was more than you were shooting for.

I think some people equate a bad trip with any trip that doesn't have you laughing your ass off all night

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26431462 - 01/13/20 02:24 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

A big thumbs up for that, fella 👍🏻

I haven’t done 5g for over a year now, but every time I have, they have been intense. Literally no control. I would absolutely second your advice, up your dose slowly people; 1g to 2g does not equal double strength trip. 2.5g to 5g does not equal double strength trip. 5g to 10g does not equal double strength trip. No, they equal fucking exponentially stronger trips.

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    #26432494 - 01/14/20 02:09 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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The advice here is terrible. You should not trip more than once a month.




Nobody is suggesting to OP that he should trip as often as he can.




Right but he said trip without repercussions, every 2 weeks for two years will have repercussions. You can do it sure, you could do it every two weeks for a while. But 'you probably will be okay" is not a "you will be okay for sure".

If my 18 year old old kid told me they were tripping twice a month I would be concerned. Do I care some stranger online is potentially going to be fucked? Not really, but I try to give out advice as if it were my kid. I overdid it myself, fuck the magic I can take 500 mics now and barely feel it, I wish someone had told me to go easy. There is a long term tolerance that can develop that you never hear about, and telling someone to trip twice a year means they will never encounter it. You never that side of it here, ever.

Even in this this thread someone said they did 30 grams dry? That's insane. This place should be harm reduction first and dick sizing about how much you did way less. That's why we aren't bluelight though.


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    #26432642 - 01/14/20 06:37 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Do I care some stranger online is potentially going to be fucked? Not really...

I overdid it myself, fuck the magic I can take 500 mics now and barely feel it...

This place should be harm reduction first and dick sizing about how much you did way less..





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viraldrome said:Even in this this thread someone said they did 30 grams dry? That's insane.



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    #26432734 - 01/14/20 08:13 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Here's the thing.  You won't necessarily know (you probably won't) when you've started to "lose it" a little bit. 

Also, without realizing it, you most likely build up more tolerance over time and more likelihood of negative effects.  I know I might get flamed for throwing this out there without substantiating it AT ALL but that's honestly just a personal opinion, take it or leave it.

Schizophrenia is very real.  I've suffered from symptoms within that "realm" of mental disorders/diseases and that is a perfect term for it: "mental disorder" or "mental disease" because it certainly had me in a state that was disorderly mentally speaking and it felt like I had some kind of sickness (you know how you just have to sit there in the pain and discomfort waiting out the sickness to go away?)....

....except it took a VERY long time to go away and to this day it can still pop up and bug me.  I was stubborn and even with all my stubbornness I almost caved in so many times and went for the medication to get rid of the "sickness"....but I guess I just knew it was gonna go away eventually and I shouldn't mess with that...

......it's weird, like I knew even if it NEVER went away that I needed to be absolutely SURE that it wouldn't go away on its own before I took medication for it.  I wanted the medication to stop the pain and discomfort of what I was dealing with....disorderly conduct of the brain, constantly, every moment, even in the dream world, and to the point of pure mental anguish.  I'm of the opinion that if there are actually people or things out there causing the mental anguish of the type I went through that I would KILL them in self-defense...to get them to stop.

Everyone told me to take medication, pretty much EVERYONE.  But...yea, here I am, just fine...if not set behind in many ways....still stronger than I've ever been and completely focused on what matters to my heart.   

I would call it something akin to a perma-trip that I'm finally coming down from....because I figured out what I needed to figure out.  I'm not saying that it was the right way to go about things though, to get to where I'm going...there were better ways.

You can't just trip with "no repercussions" - there is no such action in the universe, let alone TRIPPING.  lol.

The question/answer is not can I just trip without possibly losing something because of it...


...the question/answer is: I'm losing everything anyways, right now, as we speak, my health, my wealth, everyone and everything I know and care about, it is ALL being lost RIGHT NOW as we speak because it is all PASSING.  So what do I even care about in this situation!!????!!


It's a cycle.  That's what the shamans, monks, guru's, and trippers could see.  It's a cycle.  It doesn't really ever go away and it's never really there.  It's a dance, it's all one thing, and it's all right in front of our eyes.

Care less about what happens to the body and open the eyes to what the body is telling you, not what you've been taught by the society to care about or to worry about, but what is going on right now and for the rest of this life on the INSIDE.  It's ALIVE (I know, spooky).  You probably want something different, something more important than what you can even FEEL consciously.  You probably want something so BIG that you've been WILLING to risk your mind and body to find what it is!!!!!

Not even out of selfishness totally at all....out of some kind of deep connection to things that a lot of other people seem to not really get to talk about with you very often....ever. 

The trip can bring you right into what you really want deep down but then........


...........it's like you don't even know what it is because your so CLOSE to it now because you've been seeing it and being it but you haven't been able to know it well enough because it DANCES away from you every time you come back into contact with it, in or out of trip mode....

...that's because life is a dance...and you can't just trip around every year at that dance or you are definitely going to miss out on the some of the more elaborate and amazing ways that the dance is flowing as one beautiful, vibing, bright, and glorious whole. 

So don't miss out...the shrooms gave you lots of messages.  Think more, act more, talk more, wait more, live more, be more, give more, and find what you're are actually, vehemently searching for and being guided towards.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26433243 - 01/14/20 01:55 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Right but he said trip without repercussions, every 2 weeks for two years will have repercussions.




Depends on the person.  Blanket statements don't make it so.  :shrug:

If you say "effects" instead of "repercussions" it's more accurate.  And not everybody wants those "effects".  :laugh2:

Yes, if you trip quite regularly you will change.  But this is where the great divide is - those who fear the changes and those who are deliberately looking for it. :snoopyes:


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    #26433280 - 01/14/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/tc on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26433295 - 01/14/20 02:14 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/admin on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:




:derdance:
Fuckin A bud.
Hoping to get at least a couple of those results. But almost forgetting about my severe anxiety is enough reason to keep tripping anyway.

What’s your take on tolerance and losing the “magic”? How long do you wait between trips nowadays?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26433304 - 01/14/20 02:17 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/admin on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:




Yeah man, that really sucks for you. :okthatsfunny:

That's what I mean, "effects" are not the same as "repercussions".


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    #26433310 - 01/14/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

When I'd dose 1-2g ape daily it seemed every 3rd or 4th dose would kick my ass.

Sometimes Id go a week (dosing daily) without much effects and then a random dose would fuck me hard. Like day 5 or 6.

For me tolerance rises and lowers like the tides:shrug:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26435235 - 01/15/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Why would you want to trip as much as possible? I find trips are much more insightful/novel if I leave more time between them.

That being said, everyone is different and reacts to psychedelics differently. You have to listen to your body and find out what works for you. From what I've read though, it normally takes about a week for your tolerance to reset.


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    #26435295 - 01/15/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Come over to the dark side.  :deathstar:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26436522 - 01/16/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

:notreadyforthis:  :like:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26437092 - 01/16/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

And experience the light... :snoopyes:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26438089 - 01/17/20 09:06 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

:feelingfunky:  :dancer:  :dancer:  :dancer:


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