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Help me with SgFC (2 types)
#26420437 - 01/07/20 06:14 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hello y'all !
So here's it: I have two SgFC,
number (1) has two cakes in it, holes everywhere and a good thick layer of wet perlite. The cakes are over a tin foil square.
number (2) is cased, like I put vermiculite and pieces of cakes in it and left it incubating for 2 weeks more, now I see some white popping from the surface. This has holes everywhere but not on the bottom side.
Temp is a good 22/24 C°.
But so far the only pins I've seen were pinning during the incubation. So close to zero FAE and very high RH. Why is that?
and why no more pins now?
How do I know if the problem is too low FAE, or too fast dry, or anything else?
BTW: I see drops on the walls, is that a good or bad indicator?
Thank you very much!
PS: Oh, also I'm confused about the misting/fanning sequence, as in the old days I used to fan to change the air/help evaporation and then mist to put back some humidity. Now I see everybody says mist and then fan. What's your experience with this?
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Edited by Hiei (01/07/20 06:26 AM)
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420442 - 01/07/20 06:24 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Too low fae would cause long skinny fruits with small caps.
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Diego]
#26420445 - 01/07/20 06:27 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'm not pinning, man!
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420446 - 01/07/20 06:29 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Pics?
When you birth the mycelium needs time to get its bearings again. Leads to a consolidation period before fruiting.
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420448 - 01/07/20 06:31 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Hiei said: I'm not pinning, man!
Yes i know. Ive had them pin in the jars so I dont think this is your problem was my point
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420479 - 01/07/20 06:56 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ok I'll up some pics later.
Ok Diego I got it, so you say if it's not FAE it must be something else. Maybe too dry then
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420488 - 01/07/20 07:05 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
The Mycologist said: Pics?
When you birth the mycelium needs time to get its bearings again. Leads to a consolidation period before fruiting.
Thats my guess. Hard to tell by text for sure
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420532 - 01/07/20 08:07 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hiei said: Hello y'all !
So here's it: I have two SgFC,
number (1) has two cakes in it, holes everywhere and a good thick layer of wet perlite. The cakes are over a tin foil square.
number (2) is cased, like I put vermiculite and pieces of cakes in it and left it incubating for 2 weeks more, now I see some white popping from the surface. This has holes everywhere but not on the bottom side.
Temp is a good 22/24 C°.
But so far the only pins I've seen were pinning during the incubation. So close to zero FAE and very high RH. Why is that?
and why no more pins now?
How do I know if the problem is too low FAE, or too fast dry, or anything else?
BTW: I see drops on the walls, is that a good or bad indicator?
Thank you very much!
PS: Oh, also I'm confused about the misting/fanning sequence, as in the old days I used to fan to change the air/help evaporation and then mist to put back some humidity. Now I see everybody says mist and then fan. What's your experience with this?
Both grows should go in one SGFC. The SgFC works better when its full of cakes.
Zero FAE? The sgfc gets 24/7 FAE 100% automatically. It gets a shitload of FAE it has 1/4 holes every 2 inches in a grid pattern on all six sides.
Fanning is absolutely pointless. Also whether or not you fan then mist or mist then fan couldn't matter less. You mist when needed 0-3 times a day.
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Diego]
#26420544 - 01/07/20 08:17 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Here they are

That blue thing on the smaller cake is a mushroom, because when I put it in the FC in the first place it gave me 2 mushrooms and that little one. Then I dunked both of the cakes for 24 hours as I hadnt done that before and as no more pinnings were coming.
Also in the casing you can see a little tiny shroom up above near the wall, but it was there when I took it out of the incubator already... and didnt grow anymore after I had it in the FC. Still the casing FC has no holes in the bottom so maybe FAE is not at its best.
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420601 - 01/07/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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If you follow one specific tek all the way through you will have better results. I agree with... oh its Bodhisatta, so fucking duh. ..But yeah Bod is on the money as always.
Did you decide to make a giant BRF sub instead of additional cakes for the SGFC? If you only have BRF then in the future just make more cakes and fill up your SGFC.
If you find some bulk sub like coir or hpoo then you could grind up your BRF cakes and spawn to bulk and use a PROPERLY built monotub. But I wouldn't advise splitting these two teks.
Assuming that your custom "mono-shotgun" tub is full of verm and brown rice, I personally have no idea how that's going to perform. BRF/verm is not really used for bulk. Its expensive for bulk and IMO would have more nutrients than needed... which may lead to problems. Maybe not? 
You can let those two tubs continue but if you're looking for solid results and yields I'd start working on more cakes for the SGFC or track down bulk sub materials and build a proper monotub/mix up a new monotub.

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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420624 - 01/07/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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in the "mono-shotgun" there's only grinded BRF cakes and vermiculite. No BRF added.
it's actually what I understood for a casing but without the foil container. Directly in the FC.
And why do you need many cakes in a SgFC ?
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420765 - 01/07/20 10:42 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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So that it works properly
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420776 - 01/07/20 10:49 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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what kind of environment do you have the sgfc in?
sometimes if there is very little ambient air circulation, i like to put a small fan in a corner on a low setting (INDIRECTLY, not pointing straight at your FC), to increase air circulation in the room beyond stagnation.
shouldnt be necessary with a SGFC, but can help in a pinch when you have the symptoms of poor FAE. just keep an eye on humidity, since the LAST thing youd want to do is dry them out
many cakes: it helps regulate the humidity
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26420781 - 01/07/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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"Casing" is short for "casing layer." When growing certain types of mushrooms (like Penis Envy) in bulk they tend to prefer a casing layer on top of the colonized substrate. It's an extra layer to help with the pin set and to reduce the chance of mutations.
There used to be and maybe still is some confusion on what a casing layer is. It's not a method of growing. It's another step in growing bulk.
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: BLINKfan420]
#26420814 - 01/07/20 11:13 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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think ya need to do some solid studyin man follow any of bods teks to the letter and ul b good playin around with shit is fine if u already know what your doin i personally dont think a tub of verm with a cpl brf cakes mixed in is gnna give ya much of anything coir is a better choice but read bods shit its all there for ya man👍
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Re: Help me with SgFC (2 types) [Re: Hiei]
#26420835 - 01/07/20 11:26 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Id just give it time and see. Ive had it take a sec to pin.
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