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Field capacity question
    #26420054 - 01/06/20 09:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all!! So I’m trying to wet some coir and horse manure before baking it to sterilize. How much water should I be using to get 5 pounds coir and 5 pound horse manure mixture to field capacity. I heard if it’s too wet or dry it will be ruined and I don’t want to screw it up, any help would be appreciated, thanks.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: nolpspj]
    #26420068 - 01/06/20 09:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure on the amount of water for that specific sub you’re talking about but this is what it should look like with coir.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087128


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: Cybin_man]
    #26420087 - 01/06/20 09:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Sterilizing poo/composts usually leads to moldtown.

Just use all coir. I've been liking 2.25qts water per brick.

Dont buy premade either make it yourself for cheeeap:oldman:


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26420094 - 01/06/20 09:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid: You should definitely pasteurize your manure between 140F-160F for 60-90min. Buy some vermiculite, that way if you accidentally do make it on the wet side you can dry it up to field capacity. Also, add water slowly or a little bit at a time and you will lessen your chances of being over too much or little.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26420161 - 01/06/20 10:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Sterilizing poo/composts usually leads to moldtown.

Just use all coir. I've been liking 2.25qts water per brick.

Dont buy premade either make it yourself for cheeeap:oldman:




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Re: Field capacity question [Re: Cybin_man]
    #26420185 - 01/06/20 11:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That doesn’t look like a lot of water coming out, like only a few drops. So I shouldn’t douse it or anything just make sure it’s moist?


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: nolpspj]
    #26420206 - 01/06/20 11:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You only want 1 drip to come out when you squeeze a handful as hard as you can squeeze

That's the standard definition of field capacity around here. Some might say it's just under 1 drip.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: YogiBear]
    #26420381 - 01/07/20 04:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thats not really the standard definition.  That would be considered dryer than field capacity.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: rickyswamps]
    #26420385 - 01/07/20 04:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:
I feel like yogi literally just made that up


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26420484 - 01/07/20 07:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather it bit a tad dry than too wet.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26420564 - 01/07/20 08:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:whathesaid:
I feel like yogi literally just made that up




I'm sorry guys I thought that is what everyone was saying to do...

Like on ShaperDreamings animated gif on the shoebox thread....

I do mine right at 1 drop and get great fruits.

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Re: Field capacity question [Re: YogiBear]
    #26420578 - 01/07/20 08:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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YogiBear said:
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bodhisatta said:
:whathesaid:
I feel like yogi literally just made that up





Like on ShaperDreamings animated gif on the shoebox thread....






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I think the confusion might be that Shaper's gif shows under field capacity followed by a top soak.

So while it is squeezed hard to only one drop:

It has moisture added again in the end:

You all already know this, though. Keep doing whatever works for you.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: KnownGnome]
    #26422368 - 01/08/20 05:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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KnownGnome said:
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YogiBear said:
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bodhisatta said:
:whathesaid:
I feel like yogi literally just made that up




Like on ShaperDreamings animated gif on the shoebox thread....






We still love you.:heart:

I think the confusion might be that Shaper's gif shows under field capacity followed by a top soak.

So while it is squeezed hard to only one drop:

It has moisture added again in the end:

You all already know this, though. Keep doing whatever works for you.






When I used RR's definition of FC I get nothing but trouble. The green meany, moldy/musty smelling trays with just coco and I wasn't even misting them.

When I went to ShaperDreamings method I get no musty smell and great flushes.

I use a whole different method of saying this to other people...

I use the term FC to give the general definition that it's holding water and the amount of drips is the level of FC

1 drip field capacity
3 drip field capacity
10-12 drip field capacity (RR video from what I could see)
Etc

When I went to a 1-3 drip FC on my spawn/sub mix then cased at spawn and soaked like Shaper does my flushes were perfect especially when using a liner and no more issues with musty/moldy smelling sub blocks.

That's why I tell people to use it right around 1-3 drips as a general rule and case at spawn.

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Re: Field capacity question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26422489 - 01/08/20 08:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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1 drip field capacity
3 drip field capacity
10-12 drip field capacity





You mean..

Slightly under capacity(dry and good)
About capacity(also good)
Way over capacity(soaking mess)

Different bricks hold different amounts. Different hands squeeze at relatively different strengths. It's a guideline not baking instructions. I like shapers write up a lot but that gif always confused me. Make something dry only to soak 10 seconds later..? just prep your sub slightly wetter:shrug:

I think bod was right:crazy2:


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26422501 - 01/08/20 08:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, field capacity was one of the things I botched slightly on my first grow due to the wishy washy definition and variability involved. I think that first video of coir field capacity is probably the best one I have seen. I have question on that though. If I add verm, does that make this coir only field capacity demonstration invalid for a coir/verm mix?


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: McDominator]
    #26422514 - 01/08/20 08:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well.. if you test field capacity of coir then add verm it's no longer capacity.

Why would you do that? Add all ingredients. Squeeze test. Retire by age 65.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26422549 - 01/08/20 09:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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YogiBear said:

1 drip field capacity
3 drip field capacity
10-12 drip field capacity (RRs Hpoo Video)





You mean..

Slightly under capacity(dry and good) - ( 1 drip )
About capacity(also good) - ( 3 drip )
Way over capacity(soaking mess) -( 10 drip )

Different bricks hold different amounts. Different hands squeeze at relatively different strengths. It's a guideline not baking instructions. I like shapers write up a lot but that gif always confused me. Make something dry only to soak 10 seconds later..? just prep your sub slightly wetter :shrug:




So would you like this the definitive post that I can lead noobs to? Or should we made one big single post somewhere to point them to?


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26422562 - 01/08/20 09:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Well.. if you test field capacity of coir then add verm it's no longer capacity.

Why would you do that? Add all ingredients. Squeeze test. Retire by age 65.





I love how frank you are, makes me giggle. :grin:

I guess I didn't word correctly, but I think you answered my question. I guess my question was: Should the amount of water coming out on the squeeze look the same as the video if it is a coir/verm mix. The video is described as the field capacity of coir, not coir/verm. I didn't know if there was a distinction.


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: YogiBear]
    #26422568 - 01/08/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why does it have to be definitive? Field capacity isnt definitive it's something each grower needs to figure out because bricks are different ect..

Tell noobs to FITFO

figure it the fuck out


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Re: Field capacity question [Re: mushboy]
    #26422594 - 01/08/20 09:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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............... Retire by age 65.




:lol:


I don't believe I've ever had issues with field capacity after watching RR videos.

I usually check it by squeezing only slightly at first, if I see a drop or two come out at this point - it's usually alright. Then I give that shit the grip of death and I usually get a trickle that lasts about a second or so.

Then I spawn like usual. I use 4 quarts water, 2 quarts verm, one brick of coir (approx 600 grams or so).
I don't think I have EVER seen two bricks of coir weigh the same. I've seen some 800 gram bricks of coir at times - there's no way using 4 quarts water, 2 quarts vermiculite, 800 gram brick of coir is going to have the same field capacity as the 600 gram brick. That's like a 30% increase in coir in the recipe (if I cans do math's).

So yeah, field capacity isn't a recipe - it's like a jedi thing in my opinion. Honestly though, after spawning a few tubs - it's fairly easy to gauge.


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I think clean grain spawn was probably one of the harder things for beginner mycologists to grasp - it definitely was for me. I've seen so many MS syringes knocking up grain - and I know for a fact that shit be dirrty like my search history.

Sometimes I still get a dirty jar here and there - but learning to be patient with your agar, exercise really good sterility in the SAB, keeping a lot of alcohol on hand, not cutting corners....all this has to be done for you to have clean grain spawn. IMO that was a lot harder for me at the beginning...


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