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Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing
    #26419204 - 01/06/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I wanted to throw a bunch of mushrooms in a pot of boiling water, make a really potent tea, then reduce the liquid to a thick gooey mass.

Then i was thinking to dissolve the thick reduction into some 94% ethanol alcohol.

Would this work for long term storage and potency retention?

Then in theory you could just have a tincture bottle and take a dropper to trip at any given time?

Thoughts on this process?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419293 - 01/06/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

or u could do what im doin and just switch to pans and really reduce the amount of shit ya got iv thought about doin this same thing but with pans and making a super potent tincture but the thoughts of that im just not sure cuz id want to b able to have a known specific dose


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: jcm4620]
    #26419301 - 01/06/20 01:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I saw a post where the guy was saying that he did it and it lost potency. Cant find it now, but I think the best option is make tea when you need it, or freeze tea ice cubes.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26419306 - 01/06/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the feed back .

I'm experimenting . I boiled 155g of sclerotia, now I'm guna reduce it as much as possible and dissolve it in a bit of ethanol.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419315 - 01/06/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could just freeze the tea reduction/goop. That will last a long ass time.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: mushboy]
    #26419326 - 01/06/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

ya tht prolly is the best way


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: mushboy]
    #26419450 - 01/06/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You could just freeze the tea reduction/goop. That will last a long ass time.



True.

I just like the idea of a tincture because it can sit at room temperature and still be preserved for long periods of time due to alcohol.

Sometimes a freezer isnt an option if your sharing a living space with others who may throw it out , be against it moraly, or steal it or something stupid idk .


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7] * 1
    #26419460 - 01/06/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So the experiment is done. Starting weight was - 155.5g sclerotia and the end volume of solution is 24ml ( 94% Ethanol, and a bit of water )

so 6.48g per 1 ml of solution.

* i found that the reduction goo is not very soluable in alcohol .

ill let you guys know how it is when i try it out. I usually take 30g of fresh sclerotia .







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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419462 - 01/06/20 02:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

granted, i'm no expert, but i've done a ton of reading on this lately and i've gathered that psilocybin isn't very solube in alcohol and will crystalize and settle out in a pure ethanol solution as it cools, and if it's in any water that isn't frozen it's going to oxidize


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26419467 - 01/06/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

ah, I see you've done it already. keep us posted on how it keeps!

I've found too many threads like this where OP peaces out, please don't do that


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26419512 - 01/06/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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ah, I see you've done it already. keep us posted on how it keeps!

I've found too many threads like this where OP peaces out, please don't do that



I will keep you posted. I just consumed 1ml which is the equivalent of 6.4g or so.

Yea the main thing i learned from this is that the reduction isnt soluable in alcohol. There were globs of goo that wouldnt dissolve, So i added a tad of distilled water and smushed them into the solution and strained the final product.

We shall see.

Main reason ppl dont fuck with Tinctures? Thoughts?

I guess potent teas and reducing really is the best bet from what im learning.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419554 - 01/06/20 03:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I consumed 1 ml almost an hour ago.

I can say it def works. I feel mild effects, mild bubbling floor visuals when i focus on something, inner energy adrenal kinda feel. The effects are def present and it is enjoyable at this small dose.

Maybe a bit more than a micro dose , but its pretty chill. I bet 2-3ml would be quite a trip.

All in all im happy with the outcome. As long as it dosnt degrade in potency. Only way to tell i guess would be testing it again every few months.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26420059 - 01/06/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a fan of tinctures myself and tend to convert many of my grows to tincture for a few reasons:
  • I can easily measure a dose with graduated droppers for either micro or macro
  • Easy to travel with / stealth
  • Keeps essentially forever in a dark glass bottle as long as it's approx 25% or higher alcohol


It is however more of a pain to prepare.  I typically look to target either a 2g per ml (2x) ratio in the final solution.  In my experience once you go beyond 2x you get a law of diminishing returns on your time and frustrations.  Stones in particular tend to have a lot of resins / waxes / fats(?) that precipitate out during the process.  Those need to be filtered out.  Along the way there's likely a loss of potency which I can only speculate at around 20% or so when doing a double extraction (water / alcohol).  In the end, for me, I still appreciate the benefits of tincture itself so it's worth the time and effort. 

If you're looking to go down this road I'd be happy to share my experience and tips.  In the meantime I would look into threads and other google searches around the double extraction process. 

In short though you'll want to blend/pulverize the fruit, steep in alcohol, filter out and reserve, steep the remaining slurry in hot water, filter and reserve, and then reduce down the two extractions and blend for your final mixture. 

The process can be slow so tools / processes such as being able to vacuum filter and use a Buchner funnel w/ paper filter helps the process greatly.  Using a hot plate to warm the alcohol for better extraction or to boil down to target without risk of fire is also a big advantage.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: 345536345]
    #26420104 - 01/06/20 09:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I should note that in the above post I consider a standard cube (ex. B+) to be a standard baseline of potency.  If I were to prepare a "1x" strength tincture of B+ I would go for 1g dried fruit to be contained in 1ml final tincture.  For stones I would target 1.5g dried weight per ml and for pans I'd target .3g dried weight per ml given to account for their relative strengths.  You could totally ignore that but that's just my process.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26420115 - 01/06/20 09:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Luminous7 said:
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All in all im happy with the outcome. As long as it dosnt degrade in potency. Only way to tell i guess would be testing it again every few months.




How much potency do you think was lost getting from shrooms to tincture, initially?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26420119 - 01/06/20 09:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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trubblesome said:
granted, i'm no expert, but i've done a ton of reading on this lately and i've gathered that psilocybin isn't very solube in alcohol and will crystalize and settle out in a pure ethanol solution as it cools, and if it's in any water that isn't frozen it's going to oxidize



I have been doing an extraction and conversion the last few weeks. You are correct it doesn't dissolve in concentrated ethanol but it does dissolve in beer or other water based liquids. You just answered my problem though by reminding me about the ethanol. I've been using ethyl acetate to run the extraction, I post about it in this thread.. Last week I evaporated 50ml of it and recovered .12 it extract off 5 grams dry. I was following an article and working the links out. For my extraction it would be much more efficient to cold crash it out of solution and I've been thinking about what solvent to use. Absolute ethanol is perfect.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26420120 - 01/06/20 09:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oh just read 345's post about the 20% loss in potency, is this a rule of thumb?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26420138 - 01/06/20 10:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


I don't know. Mine took about 8 hours to dry under vacuum at 160Β°. I was going to recrystallize it but I decided to eat it. My tolerance is prob high bc I've been eating all month but it was very strong. There didn't seem to be any colors associated with the visuals, more like looking through heat on the highway. My pupils were gigantic which I don't usually notice on mushrooms.
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The whole thing lasted about 12 hrs. The next time I'm going to cold crash it and see if there is a difference not using heat. That was my first and second try. This next time I will do it my way since I've found things in the lab procedure that could be done differently. Next time I will be able to calculate dosage.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: spiritlands]
    #26420154 - 01/06/20 10:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi

What is cold crashing in this context?  I tried to look it up but all I got was stuff about making beer.  Can you explain the process you have in mind, please?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26420166 - 01/06/20 10:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's slang. Basically you have a supersaturated solution (ethyl acetate) with your product dissolved in it. Then we chose a solvent that will mix with the supersaturated solution but doesn't dissolve the product. Usually the supersaturated solution is warm to increase it's solubility. Then 2x as much cold solvent (ethanol) is added which mixes with the other solvent and since it makes up a larger percentage it forces the product to crystalize and precipitate out of solution. This skips the evap step and leaves product to be filtered and dried. Much more efficient.

This is how it works in theory. I've never tried it on psilocin before.

Op it's really cool that your sclerotia tea worked and you were able to dose predictably. Did you blend up the sclerotia?


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