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OfflineStable Genius
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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26417669 - 01/05/20 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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meltdowner said:
They'll be fine




No not really.

These fires are so massive they have blown Australia's emission target for  this year  by half, not that they were fantastic to start with but it's significant.

Queensland the Northern Territory and the top of Western Aus will get rain from the monsoon eventually but large parts of South Aus, Victoria and New South Wales will continue to bake for another 2 months.

I think we are seeing a tipping point play out right now.

The damage to wildlife, infrastructure, small community water supplies, people's income is significant.

There was/is smoke in almost every capital city, and often at the same time.

The politics of this is going to step from ugly to brutal.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26417692 - 01/05/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Quote:

meltdowner said:
They'll be fine




No not really.

These fires are so massive they have blown Australia's emission target for  this year  by half, not that they were fantastic to start with but it's significant.

...




This showed up in Canada as well
sometime around the 2000s(?) the rate of fires became so frequent
that our forests stopped being a carbon sink, and began qualifying as a carbon emission problem
so large in fact, that relative to our population base it massive drove up our numbers to make us one of the largest contributors in the world

The Canadian solution?
change how we measure our emissions going forward, so we can get in line with climate expectations without actually getting emissions in accord with climate requirements

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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: Tantrika]
    #26417752 - 01/05/20 03:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow ok. Looks like we are in a similar position  :nonono: 
The Federal politicians are now trying to reshape the narrative with the Prime Minister caught on the backfoot.

I did a solar job with a friend up near Athabasca for a couple that lost their home in the Fort McMurray fire, that's a long way to go to meet another bushfire victim.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: Patlal]
    #26417764 - 01/05/20 03:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

> Things that happen in the world from time to time

Ok cool.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26417766 - 01/05/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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JohnRainy said:
This age we are living in is slipping away.  The times they are a changin.  It's almost unimaginable what global warming has the potential to turn into.

The age of massive fossil fuel use is going to end one way or the other.  Either through will or through what nature dishes out on the human race. 

PM denies link to climate policies as fires scorch arid Australia



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The sky is falling run for your lives
It's happening




It's never 'happening'

Why does man kind always think it is the cause of things bigger than them...
I wonder if retards would have suggested we caused the ice age or the meteorite that struck earth and fucked it sideways eons ago... Oh wait, Ancient people did....
:loldongs:

Quote:


MUH fossil fuels





WE WUZ climate engineers with power over the world
:closecall:

When you get a chance look up the earth's magnetic field and how much sun energy it blocks from rekking the earth in an instant. Then go and look up our tiny atmosphere and how much filtering it does.

And then tell me about 'muh man made climate change'


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: r00tcmplx] * 5
    #26417777 - 01/05/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So you can recognise the fine balance of life, yet can't add in the heat from 100 years of man made heat and gases into the equation.

Interesting.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26417784 - 01/05/20 03:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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When you get a chance look up the earth's magnetic field and how much sun energy it blocks from rekking the earth in an instant.






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Re: Australia is burning down... *DELETED* [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26417904 - 01/05/20 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26417936 - 01/05/20 04:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Treat people with respect, this isn't 4chan.

Edit: even if i think you are right

Edit2: Living Failure and english: I don't have a clue on how to use the conditional in this case so ill explain it the best i could:
if (i think you are right){Treat people with respect}
else {Treat people with respect}
I do not mean i agree with you in this case (i don't but i could). This is getting out of hand


Edited by living_failure (01/05/20 10:50 PM)


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: r00tcmplx] * 2
    #26418083 - 01/05/20 06:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

r00tcmplx said:
Quote:

JohnRainy said:
This age we are living in is slipping away.  The times they are a changin.  It's almost unimaginable what global warming has the potential to turn into.

The age of massive fossil fuel use is going to end one way or the other.  Either through will or through what nature dishes out on the human race. 

PM denies link to climate policies as fires scorch arid Australia



:canthelpbutlaugh:
Quote:


The sky is falling run for your lives
It's happening




It's never 'happening'

Why does man kind always think it is the cause of things bigger than them...
I wonder if retards would have suggested we caused the ice age or the meteorite that struck earth and fucked it sideways eons ago... Oh wait, Ancient people did....
:loldongs:

Quote:


MUH fossil fuels





WE WUZ climate engineers with power over the world
:closecall:

When you get a chance look up the earth's magnetic field and how much sun energy it blocks from rekking the earth in an instant. Then go and look up our tiny atmosphere and how much filtering it does.

And then tell me about 'muh man made climate change'




This post is a buffet of ignorance. The magnetic field has no effect on electromagnetic radiation (such as light and infrared). The magnetic field causes charged matter (protons, elections and ions) to be swept into the atmosphere at the poles instead of hitting the atmosphere directly. None of those charged particles are being blocked from interacting with the atmosphere, only where that interaction takes place.

Man has caused CO2 levels to more than double in just over 100 years, to a level never seen in human history. The CO2 molecule absorbs EM radiation in a particular way that it allows visible light to pass freely, but is opaque to certain wavelengths of infrared radiation. Aside from a very minor heat contribution of radioactive decay, the amount of heat retained by the planet is determined by the the balance between radiation inputs (solar irradiance) and radiation output (blackbody heat.) there is no other way to remove heat from the planet. More CO2 shifts the equilibrium towards more heat retention. It is simply impossible for more CO2 to not cause this shift. It’s absorption spectrum is a fundamental property of the molecule.

Greenhouse gases are more opaque to radiated heat than other atmospheric gases. That means less heat is radiated into space. That trapped radiation is converted to kinetic energy that heats the atmosphere.

This is what methane looks like in the infrared spectrum. It’s isnt transparent.



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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26418169 - 01/05/20 07:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Senator Jordan Steele-John gave this speech in November last year and called both sides of the house a bunch of arsonists (4.01 mark)

The infamous 'Don't be afraid it's only coal" performance the Prime Minister gave in Parliament when he was Treasurer for the worst Conservative Government Australia
has ever had, is going to be made difficult for him to forget this year.


Edit, hmmm, actually Turnbull was P.M. then, but you get the idea of the  problem.


Edited by Stable Genius (01/06/20 01:43 AM)


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Re: Australia is burning down... *DELETED* [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26419407 - 01/06/20 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

r00tcmplx said:
Post deleted by Enlil

Reason for deletion: flaming





When your ban is finished why not explain why you think the bush fires are not linked to climate change.

There's plenty of reliable data on this.

Here's one report from the  Aus Bureau of Meterology  issued September last year.

What's your opinion?


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Re: Australia is burning down... *DELETED* [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26419465 - 01/06/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dude's banned for swearing at me or what ever he did?  I never even got to see what was written.  I hope it was good.

Maybe he should have just posted a picture of whatever he thinks my problem is.  I kinda flamed him too with that.


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Re: Australia is burning down... *DELETED* [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26419489 - 01/06/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno? I just assumed he was from previous experience  :grin:


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26419674 - 01/06/20 05:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Before things went off the rails I stated :

Once dismissed theory/science:
http://www.viewzone.com/magnetic.weather.html

Becomes plausible and new research :
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0207270
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-earth-magnetic-field-important-climate.html
https://gtr.ukri.org/projects?ref=NE%2FJ018058%2F1
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016JD024890


A rebuttal :
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/magnetism-from-neuroscience-to-climate-change

Correlation is indeed not causation which is why in such a sufficiently complex system such as the earth, until it is scientifically defined what are the exact influences and what weight they have on the overall climate, it's all 'correlation' and theory.

https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/article/climate-change-linked-geomagnetism

Copernicus was ostracized for saying the planets rotated around the sun. With how much we don't understand about space weather's interaction with Earth's climate, it seems rediculous to say the science is settled.

Science especially theories are often proven wrong.
It's an ever evolving body of belief.
Nothing points to there being a closed book on what caused climate change. Instead it is wide open, the weights of different influences are not understood and there's a shit ton of correlation vs causation.

And then there's this :
https://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scientists-lift-the-lid-on-reproducibility-1.19970

Complete lack of integrity in research



So excuse me for using my educated brain to think outside of the box on a popular narrative that has no definite science backing it.

And no theoretical science is not fact nor explained by established undergrad physics.

All I have to contribute to the discussion. Believe as you wish. Oh and speaking of popular narratives and disinfo, the obvious was the case :

https://noqreport.com/2020/01/06/183-arsonists-arrested-climate-change-alarmists-blame-australias-massive-fires/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118623458/australian-bushfires-cops-and-arson-unit-round-up-24-alleged-firestarters-in-nsw
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/australia-arrests-183-for-setting-bushfires-that-celebrities-claim-were-caused-by-climate-change/
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfires-firebugs-fuelling-crisis-asarson-arresttollhits183/news-story/52536dc9ca9bb87b7c76d36ed1acf53f
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-06/alleged-bushfire-lighters-face-south-australian-courts/11843544

This is what happens when you keep pushing panicky disinfo on the masses...


My post wasn't a buffet of ignorance. Australia is burning because a bunch of clowns lit it on fire. It has nothing to do with climate change and my statements about the weakening magnetic field impacting climate are sound and backed by the latest research into it. Of course, just like Copernicus, people prosecute scientific claims beyond the usual echo chamber. Given history, it's pointless to argue about this. You either know or respect this about science and history or your don't and think popular narratives/theories are closed book facts. Can't help you in the later case.


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Re: Australia is burning down... *DELETED* [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26419688 - 01/06/20 05:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Stable Genius said:
Quote:

r00tcmplx said:
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When your ban is finished why not explain why you think the bush fires are not linked to climate change.

There's plenty of reliable data on this.

Here's one report from the  Aus Bureau of Meterology  issued September last year.

What's your opinion?



See post here...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26419674#26419674

The fires were started by whackos likely trumped up by all the climate change rhetoric. Has nothing to do with climate change. As for climate change, the popular theory that it is being caused predominately by pollution is just that a 'popular theory'. Earth's climate is impacted by a lot of things including the magnetic field around the earth (especially by it). When it weakens which it has been over the past century by a tremendous amount as the poles are shifting, all sorts of understood/non-understood things change (ofc) and part of that is concerned with theoretical science and on-going researching.

You have an equation :
Climate change = Weight1*Influence1 + Weight2*Influence2 + Weight3*Influence3 + ... Weight(k)*Influence(k)

You've been given a handful of Influences and no weights. No one knows the full picture. Scientists are still researching it and one big area is the influence of our magnetic field :

The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration has been thought to be the main cause of climatic changes at these high altitudes. This study suggests that magnetic field changes that have taken place over the past century are as important.

Both increasing levels of CO2 and changes in the Earth's magnetic field affect the upper atmosphere, including its charged portion, also known as the ionosphere. Dr. Ingrid Cnossen from the British Antarctic Survey used computer simulations to compare the effects of these two factors over the past century.

While CO2 causes heat to be trapped in the lower atmosphere, it actually cools the upper atmosphere. The simulations show that the increase in CO2 concentration over the past 100 years has caused the upper atmosphere, at around 300 km altitude, to cool by around 8 degrees. At the same altitude, changes in the Earth's magnetic field caused a similar amount of cooling over parts of North America, but caused a warming over other parts of the world, with the strongest warming, of up to 12 degrees, located over Antarctica.

Source : https://phys.org/news/2014-05-earth-magnetic-field-important-climate.html

My assertions were spot on and maybe far less known because its not 'popular science' or a popular narrative.
Nonetheless, there's nothing more to discuss here. They found out why the fires in Australia broke out : Arson and I just defined why it is still unknown what contributes and how much to : Climate change.

Should we strive for a cleaner environment? Yeah we should. Should we be more efficient? Yeah
But that's not gonna happen under a big fat lie.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26419690 - 01/06/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Australia is burning because a bunch of clowns lit it on fire. It has nothing to do with climate change




Heat waves and drought don't contribute to how robustly vegetation will burn.  At all.

Don't make me post the drunk picture again.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26419696 - 01/06/20 05:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
So you can recognise the fine balance of life, yet can't add in the heat from 100 years of man made heat and gases into the equation.

Interesting.




As I spent years in this area, researched it heavily and just linked to the science that backs my assertions, and directly invested in various Green tech in various stages of development, It seems my commentary is due to being able to recognize that the problem is far more complex than the basic narratives and equations that underscore : It's only the atmosphere and pollution.

Nothing sufficiently complex is simple, if a narrative is being sold to you convincing you it is, you're likely being lied to and manipulated. And yes, academia/science/researchers have been doing this for some time because like everyone else, they want to get paid and live good and that overrides their search and upholding of truth.

https://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scientists-lift-the-lid-on-reproducibility-1.19970


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00439-9

I'll give everyone some levity because this isn't what is the popular depicition.. But yes, a lot of science is bunk bs, fraudulent, etc. When complex science hits mainstream media and when billions of dollars get tied up it gets even worse.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26419731 - 01/06/20 05:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have just never thought to take such a good hard look at science.:aweman:
I think you think you're way ahead of everybody else.

You should write a book.
Itd be popular with others looking for their own exclusive group.


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Re: Australia is burning down... [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #26419749 - 01/06/20 05:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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While CO2 causes heat to be trapped in the lower atmosphere, it actually cools the upper atmosphere. The simulations show that the increase in CO2 concentration over the past 100 years has caused the upper atmosphere, at around 300 km altitude, to cool by around 8 degrees.




We don’t live in the upper atmosphere

You posted all that stuff and then blew your whole argument up with two sentences


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