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Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing
    #26419204 - 01/06/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I wanted to throw a bunch of mushrooms in a pot of boiling water, make a really potent tea, then reduce the liquid to a thick gooey mass.

Then i was thinking to dissolve the thick reduction into some 94% ethanol alcohol.

Would this work for long term storage and potency retention?

Then in theory you could just have a tincture bottle and take a dropper to trip at any given time?

Thoughts on this process?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419293 - 01/06/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

or u could do what im doin and just switch to pans and really reduce the amount of shit ya got iv thought about doin this same thing but with pans and making a super potent tincture but the thoughts of that im just not sure cuz id want to b able to have a known specific dose


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: jcm4620]
    #26419301 - 01/06/20 01:11 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I saw a post where the guy was saying that he did it and it lost potency. Cant find it now, but I think the best option is make tea when you need it, or freeze tea ice cubes.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26419306 - 01/06/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

thanks for the feed back .

I'm experimenting . I boiled 155g of sclerotia, now I'm guna reduce it as much as possible and dissolve it in a bit of ethanol.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419315 - 01/06/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

You could just freeze the tea reduction/goop. That will last a long ass time.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: mushboy]
    #26419326 - 01/06/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

ya tht prolly is the best way


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: mushboy]
    #26419450 - 01/06/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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You could just freeze the tea reduction/goop. That will last a long ass time.



True.

I just like the idea of a tincture because it can sit at room temperature and still be preserved for long periods of time due to alcohol.

Sometimes a freezer isnt an option if your sharing a living space with others who may throw it out , be against it moraly, or steal it or something stupid idk .


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7] * 1
    #26419460 - 01/06/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

So the experiment is done. Starting weight was - 155.5g sclerotia and the end volume of solution is 24ml ( 94% Ethanol, and a bit of water )

so 6.48g per 1 ml of solution.

* i found that the reduction goo is not very soluable in alcohol .

ill let you guys know how it is when i try it out. I usually take 30g of fresh sclerotia .







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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419462 - 01/06/20 02:50 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

granted, i'm no expert, but i've done a ton of reading on this lately and i've gathered that psilocybin isn't very solube in alcohol and will crystalize and settle out in a pure ethanol solution as it cools, and if it's in any water that isn't frozen it's going to oxidize


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26419467 - 01/06/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

ah, I see you've done it already. keep us posted on how it keeps!

I've found too many threads like this where OP peaces out, please don't do that


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26419512 - 01/06/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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trubblesome said:
ah, I see you've done it already. keep us posted on how it keeps!

I've found too many threads like this where OP peaces out, please don't do that



I will keep you posted. I just consumed 1ml which is the equivalent of 6.4g or so.

Yea the main thing i learned from this is that the reduction isnt soluable in alcohol. There were globs of goo that wouldnt dissolve, So i added a tad of distilled water and smushed them into the solution and strained the final product.

We shall see.

Main reason ppl dont fuck with Tinctures? Thoughts?

I guess potent teas and reducing really is the best bet from what im learning.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26419554 - 01/06/20 03:53 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I consumed 1 ml almost an hour ago.

I can say it def works. I feel mild effects, mild bubbling floor visuals when i focus on something, inner energy adrenal kinda feel. The effects are def present and it is enjoyable at this small dose.

Maybe a bit more than a micro dose , but its pretty chill. I bet 2-3ml would be quite a trip.

All in all im happy with the outcome. As long as it dosnt degrade in potency. Only way to tell i guess would be testing it again every few months.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26420059 - 01/06/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I'm a fan of tinctures myself and tend to convert many of my grows to tincture for a few reasons:
  • I can easily measure a dose with graduated droppers for either micro or macro
  • Easy to travel with / stealth
  • Keeps essentially forever in a dark glass bottle as long as it's approx 25% or higher alcohol


It is however more of a pain to prepare.  I typically look to target either a 2g per ml (2x) ratio in the final solution.  In my experience once you go beyond 2x you get a law of diminishing returns on your time and frustrations.  Stones in particular tend to have a lot of resins / waxes / fats(?) that precipitate out during the process.  Those need to be filtered out.  Along the way there's likely a loss of potency which I can only speculate at around 20% or so when doing a double extraction (water / alcohol).  In the end, for me, I still appreciate the benefits of tincture itself so it's worth the time and effort. 

If you're looking to go down this road I'd be happy to share my experience and tips.  In the meantime I would look into threads and other google searches around the double extraction process. 

In short though you'll want to blend/pulverize the fruit, steep in alcohol, filter out and reserve, steep the remaining slurry in hot water, filter and reserve, and then reduce down the two extractions and blend for your final mixture. 

The process can be slow so tools / processes such as being able to vacuum filter and use a Buchner funnel w/ paper filter helps the process greatly.  Using a hot plate to warm the alcohol for better extraction or to boil down to target without risk of fire is also a big advantage.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: 345536345]
    #26420104 - 01/06/20 09:42 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I should note that in the above post I consider a standard cube (ex. B+) to be a standard baseline of potency.  If I were to prepare a "1x" strength tincture of B+ I would go for 1g dried fruit to be contained in 1ml final tincture.  For stones I would target 1.5g dried weight per ml and for pans I'd target .3g dried weight per ml given to account for their relative strengths.  You could totally ignore that but that's just my process.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26420115 - 01/06/20 09:50 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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Luminous7 said:
{...}

All in all im happy with the outcome. As long as it dosnt degrade in potency. Only way to tell i guess would be testing it again every few months.




How much potency do you think was lost getting from shrooms to tincture, initially?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: trubblesome]
    #26420119 - 01/06/20 09:52 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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granted, i'm no expert, but i've done a ton of reading on this lately and i've gathered that psilocybin isn't very solube in alcohol and will crystalize and settle out in a pure ethanol solution as it cools, and if it's in any water that isn't frozen it's going to oxidize



I have been doing an extraction and conversion the last few weeks. You are correct it doesn't dissolve in concentrated ethanol but it does dissolve in beer or other water based liquids. You just answered my problem though by reminding me about the ethanol. I've been using ethyl acetate to run the extraction, I post about it in this thread.. Last week I evaporated 50ml of it and recovered .12 it extract off 5 grams dry. I was following an article and working the links out. For my extraction it would be much more efficient to cold crash it out of solution and I've been thinking about what solvent to use. Absolute ethanol is perfect.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26420120 - 01/06/20 09:52 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Oh just read 345's post about the 20% loss in potency, is this a rule of thumb?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26420138 - 01/06/20 10:12 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)


I don't know. Mine took about 8 hours to dry under vacuum at 160°. I was going to recrystallize it but I decided to eat it. My tolerance is prob high bc I've been eating all month but it was very strong. There didn't seem to be any colors associated with the visuals, more like looking through heat on the highway. My pupils were gigantic which I don't usually notice on mushrooms.
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The whole thing lasted about 12 hrs. The next time I'm going to cold crash it and see if there is a difference not using heat. That was my first and second try. This next time I will do it my way since I've found things in the lab procedure that could be done differently. Next time I will be able to calculate dosage.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: spiritlands]
    #26420154 - 01/06/20 10:30 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Hi

What is cold crashing in this context?  I tried to look it up but all I got was stuff about making beer.  Can you explain the process you have in mind, please?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26420166 - 01/06/20 10:40 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

It's slang. Basically you have a supersaturated solution (ethyl acetate) with your product dissolved in it. Then we chose a solvent that will mix with the supersaturated solution but doesn't dissolve the product. Usually the supersaturated solution is warm to increase it's solubility. Then 2x as much cold solvent (ethanol) is added which mixes with the other solvent and since it makes up a larger percentage it forces the product to crystalize and precipitate out of solution. This skips the evap step and leaves product to be filtered and dried. Much more efficient.

This is how it works in theory. I've never tried it on psilocin before.

Op it's really cool that your sclerotia tea worked and you were able to dose predictably. Did you blend up the sclerotia?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: 345536345]
    #26420784 - 01/07/20 10:52 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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345536345 said:
I'm a fan of tinctures myself and tend to convert many of my grows to tincture for a few reasons:
  • I can easily measure a dose with graduated droppers for either micro or macro
  • Easy to travel with / stealth
  • Keeps essentially forever in a dark glass bottle as long as it's approx 25% or higher alcohol


It is however more of a pain to prepare.  I typically look to target either a 2g per ml (2x) ratio in the final solution.  In my experience once you go beyond 2x you get a law of diminishing returns on your time and frustrations.  Stones in particular tend to have a lot of resins / waxes / fats(?) that precipitate out during the process.  Those need to be filtered out.  Along the way there's likely a loss of potency which I can only speculate at around 20% or so when doing a double extraction (water / alcohol).  In the end, for me, I still appreciate the benefits of tincture itself so it's worth the time and effort. 

If you're looking to go down this road I'd be happy to share my experience and tips.  In the meantime I would look into threads and other google searches around the double extraction process. 

In short though you'll want to blend/pulverize the fruit, steep in alcohol, filter out and reserve, steep the remaining slurry in hot water, filter and reserve, and then reduce down the two extractions and blend for your final mixture. 

The process can be slow so tools / processes such as being able to vacuum filter and use a Buchner funnel w/ paper filter helps the process greatly.  Using a hot plate to warm the alcohol for better extraction or to boil down to target without risk of fire is also a big advantage.



Right on , thanks for sharing. I def would like to discuss this further with you, Your def correct about the wax's and resins in sclerotia, T roughly filtered it out through a mesh screen.
My end product has 10ml ethanol 94% and 5ml distilled water and 5ml mushroom reduction. (its 6.48g / 1 ml) since sclerotia arent very strong i wanted to make it very potent. I also added roughly 1-2 ml citric acid juice.
WIll this solution degrade in storage?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26420785 - 01/07/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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HolyBolete said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:
{...}

All in all im happy with the outcome. As long as it dosnt degrade in potency. Only way to tell i guess would be testing it again every few months.




How much potency do you think was lost getting from shrooms to tincture, initially?



As far as I can tell, none.

But i would have to take an equivalent tincture dosage of 30g and compare it to dosing 30g fresh sclerotia tea which is what I usually do.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: spiritlands]
    #26420793 - 01/07/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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It's slang. Basically you have a supersaturated solution (ethyl acetate) with your product dissolved in it. Then we chose a solvent that will mix with the supersaturated solution but doesn't dissolve the product. Usually the supersaturated solution is warm to increase it's solubility. Then 2x as much cold solvent (ethanol) is added which mixes with the other solvent and since it makes up a larger percentage it forces the product to crystalize and precipitate out of solution. This skips the evap step and leaves product to be filtered and dried. Much more efficient.

This is how it works in theory. I've never tried it on psilocin before.

Op it's really cool that your sclerotia tea worked and you were able to dose predictably. Did you blend up the sclerotia?



-Sclerotia were chopped up fairly fine
-Boiled for 10 min mashing and stirring the whole time
-Steeped for 10 min
-Strained well through fine mesh filter bag
-Solution was reduced to roughly 5 ml, a bit of lemon juice was added ( sticky nasty mass which hardened like epoxy on side of beaker)
-Then ethanal was added to the reduction in an attempt to dissolve the goo
-Wasnt dissolving 100% so added a little water
-Once it was dissolved enough i then screen filtered that into tincture bottle.

End product 24ml / 155.5g truffle material equivalent.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: 345536345]
    #26421430 - 01/07/20 04:19 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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345536345 said:
I'm a fan of tinctures myself and tend to convert many of my grows to tincture for a few reasons:
  • I can easily measure a dose with graduated droppers for either micro or macro
  • Easy to travel with / stealth
  • Keeps essentially forever in a dark glass bottle as long as it's approx 25% or higher alcohol


It is however more of a pain to prepare.  I typically look to target either a 2g per ml (2x) ratio in the final solution.  In my experience once you go beyond 2x you get a law of diminishing returns on your time and frustrations.  Stones in particular tend to have a lot of resins / waxes / fats(?) that precipitate out during the process.  Those need to be filtered out.  Along the way there's likely a loss of potency which I can only speculate at around 20% or so when doing a double extraction (water / alcohol).  In the end, for me, I still appreciate the benefits of tincture itself so it's worth the time and effort. 

If you're looking to go down this road I'd be happy to share my experience and tips.  In the meantime I would look into threads and other google searches around the double extraction process. 

In short though you'll want to blend/pulverize the fruit, steep in alcohol, filter out and reserve, steep the remaining slurry in hot water, filter and reserve, and then reduce down the two extractions and blend for your final mixture. 

The process can be slow so tools / processes such as being able to vacuum filter and use a Buchner funnel w/ paper filter helps the process greatly.  Using a hot plate to warm the alcohol for better extraction or to boil down to target without risk of fire is also a big advantage.



Ive done this method for chaga reishi mushrooms tincture, drawing water soluable and alcohol soluable constituents out seperately so to speak.

For final solution do you make it a higher alcohol ratio for preservation?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26421433 - 01/07/20 04:22 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

The tincture seperates during long periods of settling.

Im a little bit confused as to what is seperating.

Can I assume the white creamy stuff is all the waxes, fats, and starches from the sclerotia?

And the top clear liquid is the reduction goop?

This maybe why you should filter out the truffle waxes and what not?





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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26421442 - 01/07/20 04:28 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Stop all the multiple posting plz. K thx.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: mushboy]
    #26421452 - 01/07/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

I feel like making an aqueous solution then keeping it chilled iwoyld be nice and straightforward. I don't see why bother with the alcohol.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Failboat]
    #26421514 - 01/07/20 05:03 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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I feel like making an aqueous solution then keeping it chilled iwoyld be nice and straightforward. I don't see why bother with the alcohol.



Yea that wouldnt be bad either, Alcohol for possibly long term storage?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: HolyBolete]
    #26421920 - 01/07/20 08:10 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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Oh just read 345's post about the 20% loss in potency, is this a rule of thumb?




Not a rule of thumb - only my rough speculation.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to do enough bio-assays to nail it down closer... :grin: Easy and repeated access to a gas chromatograph would answer it for sure pretty quick but in the absence of that, for a simple double extraction it's probably not a bad place to start. 

I have to believe though that at some point in the next 5-10 years someone is going to have ready access to that kind of equipment for these types of experiments, especially with the laws going in the direction they are currently...


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26422614 - 01/08/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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I feel like making an aqueous solution then keeping it chilled iwoyld be nice and straightforward. I don't see why bother with the alcohol.



Yea that wouldnt be bad either, Alcohol for possibly long term storage?



Alcohol wont really help. Just keep it cold enough. You could sterilize small jars fill and keep em in the freezer if you make enough at once. If you're consuming it fast enough there's no need for extra preservative measures. If not, then freeze it.


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Failboat]
    #26423214 - 01/08/20 03:57 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Luminous7 said:
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Quirkmeister92 said:
I feel like making an aqueous solution then keeping it chilled iwoyld be nice and straightforward. I don't see why bother with the alcohol.



Yea that wouldnt be bad either, Alcohol for possibly long term storage?



Alcohol wont really help. Just keep it cold enough. You could sterilize small jars fill and keep em in the freezer if you make enough at once. If you're consuming it fast enough there's no need for extra preservative measures. If not, then freeze it.



Why wouldn't Alcohol help?


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Re: Mushroom reduction / ethanol tincturing [Re: Luminous7]
    #26423336 - 01/08/20 05:27 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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... Your def correct about the wax's and resins in sclerotia, T roughly filtered it out through a mesh screen.
My end product has 10ml ethanol 94% and 5ml distilled water and 5ml mushroom reduction. (its 6.48g / 1 ml) since sclerotia arent very strong i wanted to make it very potent. I also added roughly 1-2 ml citric acid juice.
WIll this solution degrade in storage?




As long as you have 25% or more alcohol it'll last indefinitely at room temp in a light blocking bottle.

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... Basically you have a supersaturated solution (ethyl acetate) with your product dissolved in it. Then we chose a solvent that will mix with the supersaturated solution but doesn't dissolve the product. Usually the supersaturated solution is warm to increase it's solubility. Then 2x as much cold solvent (ethanol) is added which mixes with the other solvent and since it makes up a larger percentage it forces the product to crystalize and precipitate out of solution. This skips the evap step and leaves product to be filtered and dried. Much more efficient.

This is how it works in theory. I've never tried it on psilocin before.




I may have stumbled onto something like this during my process.  I believe it was while coming off the heat reducing the alcohol extraction where I went too far.  I added back some room temp alcohol and all of a sudden it looked like a ton of white proteins precipitated out of solution immediately.  I only added a little but this was certainly enough to create the reaction.  These weren't crystals however (or at least didn't appear as such). 


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-Sclerotia were chopped up fairly fine
-Boiled for 10 min mashing and stirring the whole time
-Steeped for 10 min
-Strained well through fine mesh filter bag
-Solution was reduced to roughly 5 ml, a bit of lemon juice was added ( sticky nasty mass which hardened like epoxy on side of beaker)
-Then ethanal was added to the reduction in an attempt to dissolve the goo
-Wasnt dissolving 100% so added a little water
-Once it was dissolved enough i then screen filtered that into tincture bottle.

End product 24ml / 155.5g truffle material equivalent.




I think your biggest challenge here is that you reduced it so far down that everything is all bound up in the residual waxes / resins and they don't want to easily dissolve back out.  A 3x reduction is about the max I go on stones because of these challenges.


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    #26423371 - 01/08/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Actually if you shake it up does it come together or does it remain separated?  I may simply be just the residual plant material that never got filtered out just settling.  Maybe somewhat unsightly but as long as it's all liquid a quick shake would solve it.  Or, is it that it's still a viscous thick portion and another portion that doesn't really combine?  (that was my first impression of what you were explaining)


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    #26423406 - 01/08/20 06:17 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

When it falls out of solution it's a very fine precipitate, it prob will look cloudy or milky. This is fine though bc it's solid and I can filter it out. The extraction I'm doing is very different than this thread but in my case by the time I would cold crash it I already have it extracted and filtered so I do want what falls out of solution. Where as in your case I think the alcohol is kicking some out and you may be losing some when you filter. Maybe filter it before you add any alcohol so you don't lose it to the filter.

Here's something that might be interesting with your tincture, it's called fractional crystallization. Let's say you have a filtered tincture at room temp and there's nothing on the bottom, everything is dissolved. Then you place in the fridge or freezer for a while. You may notice some has fallen out of solution at the bottom. This is bc solubility goes down as temp goes down. This isn't a bad thing though bc since it is out of solution the solution can redissolve some so it eats the outside layer of the microscopic crystal. Now the solution is saturated again so it redeposits a layer on the outside of the crystal and it grows. This process will generate large very pure crystals in most cases though this will be my first time trying it with psilocin. This is what I'll be doing when I run my next batch.

I don't think any of this is relevant to your tincture but if you're storing it cold you might see it happen. I'm curious if it does happen and you let it sit for some weeks if you will notice the stuff on the bottom becoming more granular.  I think if you do have stuff that falls out when it's cold it should redissolve when you bring it back up to room temp before you drink it. It depends what temp the solution was when you filtered it. If it was hot there will prob be more that doesn't dissolve, if it was room temp it should all dissolve. If you notice anything like this can you keep me posted it may help me plan out my next move.


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    #26423552 - 01/08/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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345536345 said:
Actually if you shake it up does it come together or does it remain separated?  I may simply be just the residual plant material that never got filtered out just settling.  Maybe somewhat unsightly but as long as it's all liquid a quick shake would solve it.  Or, is it that it's still a viscous thick portion and another portion that doesn't really combine?  (that was my first impression of what you were explaining)



When shaken, it mixes very easily and becomes a consistant solution again. Im assuming its just sediment settling like muddy water.
Is there any benefit from leaving the Sediment in? Perhaps its holding onto any amount of actives?




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When it falls out of solution it's a very fine precipitate, it prob will look cloudy or milky. This is fine though bc it's solid and I can filter it out. The extraction I'm doing is very different than this thread but in my case by the time I would cold crash it I already have it extracted and filtered so I do want what falls out of solution. Where as in your case I think the alcohol is kicking some out and you may be losing some when you filter. Maybe filter it before you add any alcohol so you don't lose it to the filter.

Here's something that might be interesting with your tincture, it's called fractional crystallization. Let's say you have a filtered tincture at room temp and there's nothing on the bottom, everything is dissolved. Then you place in the fridge or freezer for a while. You may notice some has fallen out of solution at the bottom. This is bc solubility goes down as temp goes down. This isn't a bad thing though bc since it is out of solution the solution can redissolve some so it eats the outside layer of the microscopic crystal. Now the solution is saturated again so it redeposits a layer on the outside of the crystal and it grows. This process will generate large very pure crystals in most cases though this will be my first time trying it with psilocin. This is what I'll be doing when I run my next batch.

I don't think any of this is relevant to your tincture but if you're storing it cold you might see it happen. I'm curious if it does happen and you let it sit for some weeks if you will notice the stuff on the bottom becoming more granular.  I think if you do have stuff that falls out when it's cold it should redissolve when you bring it back up to room temp before you drink it. It depends what temp the solution was when you filtered it. If it was hot there will prob be more that doesn't dissolve, if it was room temp it should all dissolve. If you notice anything like this can you keep me posted it may help me plan out my next move.



It was filtered before alcohol was added.
It was Boiled in water, then strained with a very fine mesh bag, then reduced to roughly 5ml , and then i added ethanol to try to dissolve the 5ml reduction for final product. It wouldnt dissolve in the alcohol though so I added a bit more water.

Thats really cool about the crystals, ill def keep you posted, thanks.


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