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Offline330ci
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Why I don't like to trip with friends.
    #26418384 - 01/05/20 08:46 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

So yesterday one of my oldest comrades gave me a rang, we hadn't talked or seen each other in quite some time so we decided to go grab a drink and get into some shenanigans after. My first red flag was when he suggested we go do meth, I have no interest in it nor do I want to be around it, and I expressed that. He seemed understanding. then he said he really wanted to just chill we don't have to do that, lets trip.
PERFECT! I thought, I ran out of tabs and both of my suppliers are out so we went to go see one of his DJ friends down in Detroit. We snagged some MDMA(.35 ea in 2 .1 and 1 .15 dose), vyvanse, shrooms and we went out there to get acid but found out he only had one tab left when we were almost there. aside from some xanax, nothing else I knew of was purchased.
while we were out, he said that he needed to grab a tire for his car that he's been fixing from another friends down the road and we could chill there for a minute. we took the vyvanse around 2 hrs before taking .15 of molly, I was feeling good from the vyvanse, but the molly just took it to another level. it wasn't an exuberant ammount of love, I didn't get as horny as usual but overall felt really good and clear minded. after all that took hold I ate a bit over a gram of some shrooms.
the whole time we're doing this we're at some Neo Nazi MC leaders house. at some point in time we go over to one of the girls houses down the road, we get in my car and my friend goes, I wonder why this guy always has new cars with dealer plates... we're in the hood, I was like you fucking idiot he wants us to follow because that cars hotter than hell and we're probably muling drugs in the red bag he handed you. I was not fucking thrilled at this point. plus on the way over my friend is like pull over I have to pee, I almost hit a car I pulled over so fast and was like dude can't you just hold it. he told me to go to the friends house and when we got there he hops out of my car and went to the fence to I believe pee, but when he gets back his pants are soaked in piss. I had my workout joggers underneath my jeans so I was wearing essentially yoga pants, while he was wearing my jeans.
we get over to this sexy tweaks house and at least it was homey feeling, I was tripping pretty hard at this point and really was enjoying myself in whatever situation I wasn't even fully aware of being in. Meanwhile , everyone else is smoking Meth in the other room and they're all worried about me just chilling on the chair because I'm a quiet person to begin with and while I don't think they're bad for smoking meth, I definitely have nothing good to say about it.I was also a bit upset with my friend for taking me some place where I had explicitly told him earlier I didn't want to be around that. around 7am I go to bed, 9am comes around and he wakes me up to go to "the garage" which I assume is a fancy way of saying chop shop.
I felt like shit and just crashed at neo nazis all day while him and my buddy were out, my tweak ass friend and I were supposed to go to the scrapyard to get some carparts today and then I planned on going home. he started doing random shit all day, then by 7pm I just wanted to gtfo. so I pretty much told him we're going. we made it about a mile down the road and he started shit with me. then demanded I take him back to this guys house. I told him to get walking, and fuck off. he wanted me to make him get out of the car, which almost got him stabbed multiple times as I was that done with his shit, but I pulled into a parking lot, he tried making a scene,wouldn't get out so I called the police since he's on parole and he jumped out. now he's stuck walking around detroit in 20 degree weather with t shoes, my blue jeans and a sweatshirt. I feel kind of bad as he was the oldest friend i've had, but I think this friendships reached it's expiration. I didn't realize it until I sat down and processed it all but he got upset I wouldn't wait around any longer to meet some guy I had no interest meeting, which turns out is like the head of the MC and apparently they wanted to use my chemistry background to make some money and other business knowledge to acquire some other unscrupulous goods so I probably dodged a bullet.


TL;DR
went to detroit to get 5 hits of acid and half an eighth of shrooms, ended up with a tab, vyvanse, half an eighth and some MDMA, chilling with neo nazi gangsters and left my friend behind in the middle of a freezing ass city while he was possibly higher than fuck on meth? idk he said he was going to buy heroine and OD, and honestly I wouldn't fucking care at this point because being friends with this kid has been one of the most exhausting endeavors of my life.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: 330ci]
    #26418390 - 01/05/20 08:51 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Kinda want to read this, but unable to do so until you put that into paragraphs because that shit makes my eyes go crosseyed.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26418521 - 01/05/20 10:42 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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So yesterday one of my oldest comrades gave me a rang, we hadn't talked or seen each other in quite some time so we decided to go grab a drink and get into some shenanigans after.

My first red flag was when he suggested we go do meth, I have no interest in it nor do I want to be around it, and I expressed that. He seemed understanding.
Then he said he really wanted to just chill - we don't have to do that, lets trip.
'PERFECT!', I thought. I ran out of tabs and both of my suppliers are out.

So we went to go see one of his DJ friends down in Detroit. We snagged some MDMA(.35 ea in 2 .1 and 1 .15 dose), vyvanse, shrooms, and we went out there to get acid but found out he only had one tab left when we were almost there. Aside from some xanax, nothing else I knew of was purchased.
While we were out, he said that he needed to grab a tire for his car that he's been fixing from another friends down the road and we could chill there for a minute.

We took the vyvanse around 2 hrs before taking .15 of molly, I was feeling good from the vyvanse, but the molly just took it to another level.
It wasn't an exuberant ammount of love, I didn't get as horny as usual but overall felt really good and clear minded. After all that took hold I ate a bit over a gram of some shrooms.
The whole time we're doing this we're at some Neo Nazi MC leaders house.

At some point in time we go over to one of the girls houses down the road, we get in my car and my friend goes, 'I wonder why this guy always has new cars with dealer plates... we're in the hood.'
I was like, 'you fucking idiot, he wants us to follow because that cars hotter than hell and we're probably muling drugs in the red bag he handed you!'
I was not fucking thrilled at this point.
Plus, on the way over, my friend is like, 'pull over, I have to pee.'
I almost hit a car I pulled over so fast and was like, 'Dude, can't you just hold it?'

He told me to go to the friends house and when we got there he hops out of my car and went to the fence to, I believe, pee. But when he gets back his pants are soaked in piss.
I had my workout joggers underneath my jeans so I was wearing essentially yoga pants, while he was wearing my jeans.

We get over to this sexy tweaks house and at least it was homey feeling, I was tripping pretty hard at this point and really was enjoying myself in whatever situation I wasn't even fully aware of being in.
Meanwhile, everyone else is smoking Meth in the other room and they're all worried about me just chilling on the chair because I'm a quiet person to begin with and while I don't think they're bad for smoking meth, I definitely have nothing good to say about it.
I was also a bit upset with my friend for taking me some place where I had explicitly told him earlier I didn't want to be around that.

Around 7am I go to bed.

9am comes around and he wakes me up to go to "the garage" which I assume is a fancy way of saying chop shop.
I felt like shit and just crashed at neo nazis all day while him and my buddy were out, my tweak ass friend and I were supposed to go to the scrapyard to get some carparts today and then I planned on going home.
He started doing random shit all day, then by 7pm I just wanted to gtfo. So I pretty much told him we're going.

We made it about a mile down the road and he started shit with me, then demanded I take him back to this guys house.
I told him to get walking, and fuck off.
He wanted me to make him get out of the car, which almost got him stabbed multiple times as I was that done with his shit. But I pulled into a parking lot, he tried making a scene, wouldn't get out.
So, I called the police since he's on parole and he jumped out.
Now he's stuck walking around detroit in 20 degree weather with t shoes, my blue jeans and a sweatshirt. I feel kind of bad as he was the oldest friend i've had, but I think this friendships reached it's expiration.

I didn't realize it until I sat down and processed it all but he got upset I wouldn't wait around any longer to meet some guy I had no interest meeting, which turns out is like the head of the MC and apparently they wanted to use my chemistry background to make some money and other business knowledge to acquire some other unscrupulous goods.
So I probably dodged a bullet.




Rough shit man.
This isn't the usual story you hear around here of peoples' preferences to solitary vs. social tripping.
This is you being in a grimy situation that you are clearly not okay with.
You sound like you could be out of that situation if you wanted to be.
I understand the logistics of getting out of fucked up situations/relationships even so deep as your hometown and family - it's not easy, but if you have a decent head on your shoulders (sounds like you do), there's other places to plant your roots if you really want to.
It's a played-out cliché, but it's true.
Good luck, bud.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: footpath]
    #26418701 - 01/06/20 02:56 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I think your nervous system was tired also your friend's  :tryingnottodie:

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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26418852 - 01/06/20 07:19 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Rough shit man.
This isn't the usual story you hear around here of peoples' preferences to solitary vs. social tripping.
This is you being in a grimy situation that you are clearly not okay with.
You sound like you could be out of that situation if you wanted to be.
I understand the logistics of getting out of fucked up situations/relationships even so deep as your hometown and family - it's not easy, but if you have a decent head on your shoulders (sounds like you do), there's other places to plant your roots if you really want to.
It's a played-out cliché, but it's true.
Good luck, bud.






It's been a weird time for me in life lately, I don't really have much of a relationship with my family, no significant other, I don't particularly like people to begin with. I just didn't want to be alone, and clearly he just wanted a ride to go do hard drugs looking back. lesson learned. he's been out of my life for years until recently and I don't think he will be missed much at this point. I just find it weird that the people I once used to be so close to are now strangers.
I have 2 close friends that I consider family, but I feel like a nuissance, my own family can't really stand me and it's tough for me to understand how 2 people who aren't my blood can love me so unconditionally when my own family can't even accept me for who I am.
As for tweak, he's got his own issues, and I hope he gets better but his behavior was absolutely insane. like I didn't know if he was going to attack me in my car, he kept telling me he hopes I crash and shit and I couldn't take it so I had to force him out.
2020 is already shaping up to be a hell of a year, not even a week in yet, time to make some progress in life xD


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: 330ci]
    #26418894 - 01/06/20 07:46 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

It's an environment in which, if you're not actively participating in it, you see just how reckless and toxic it is.
Sure, it got you through some point in your life and you may have harbored some friendships out of it. But you'll likely realize that those friendships were very superficial and were based around getting fucked up and trying to forget about your life.

That's how it was for me, at least.
Of a 'friend circle' of 20+, 5 or 10 who I considered 'close' at the time, only 2 remain in my life anymore... we're the ones who wiped the shit out of our eyes one day and saw the cesspit that we were festering in. None of the three of us made a habit of harder drugs, but we had enough social disorder to feel like we belonged to a toxic group of people. Mix that with psychedelics and you get a by-proxy junkie.
My family life/upbringing was a big part of my ending up in that situation. Blood doesn't guarantee shit and often is an excuse for sustaining abusive behaviors.

All I can say is that it's of critical importance to find appreciation and value within yourself. I'm a quiet loner, myself. I also have issues always finding self-worth. But, I'm not immune to loneliness. So, in order to really find company that you can feel comfortable with and not feel like a nuisance, you have to first find your own value. (Psychedelics can help with that, if used right. But can also throw you deeper in the pits.)
Bad attitudes and self-destructive behaviors just draw in more of the same shit from the outside.

You can always switch it up. Even if it's just little shit day by day or month by month. Don't let time make you feel like you're in a deficit.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: footpath]
    #26419094 - 01/06/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I do think of that often, our first fallout was when I was 21 and he got into coke which I wasn't about at all, and he was way too pushy about it so I just decided to cut ties then, he ended up getting into heroine and other drugs and subsequently ended up in prison.
if you saw me on the streets you wouldn't know I do drugs. I have never been caught because I do most of my stuff alone. I deal with very few people and keep to myself.
I feel i'm at this point in life where I need to make shit happen though. I have half an engineering degree at U of M and half an accounting degree at a local community college. I want to find a better job and move forward in life, and hopefully get enough money to finish a degree up.
materialistically I have everything I want other than a house so that's pretty much my next big financial goal and i'll likely have to get rid of some of my toys to do that but down payment money is a fairly attainable goal with my assets at this point. 
A few prior failed relationships have weighed heavily on my existence but the relationship with my family is what really makes me feel foreign to this world. I've never experienced treatment as poor as my father treats me.
while i'm not wildly successful I have had no support and mentally feel extremely drained constantly because of it. In our last argument he described me as a bad son, a failure and a loser and it kind of tore me to the core. Growing up I was told that my dad said they were having kids until they had a boy and they ended up with 2 girls and me.
I've always felt like a failure to him and sort of a failure at life for a long time due to his disdain for me.
I want to redefine my journey, find my path, carpe some diem, however you want to put it. But i'm having a hard time taking it all in at once. finding happiness within is just a great struggle, and I realize I've sought validation from many other aspects of my life that ultimately cannot provide me with lasting comfort and learning how to move forward, find some sort of passion that leads me to smile on a daily basis, I spoke with a therapist and their words were, learn to love myself which is just such an abstract concept to me.
The timing aspect all comes in because my fathers love seems quite conditional, he wanted me to sign a contract with him about certain goals of mine in life and reprecussions for not meeting them.
i'm 25 and I don't know who in their right mind thinks that's an appropriate way of handling their relationship with their child. but the desire for validation has put me in a situation where I have to play ball with him or put our relationship on the backburner for a while.
I just have this fear that one day i'm going to wake up to a phone call that he's gone and i'm going to have a world of regret for things I could've tried to do to mend our relationship. and with my increasingly shrinking list of people I associate with, I feel like this is one worth pursuing.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: 330ci]
    #26419479 - 01/06/20 02:59 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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330ci said:
I do think of that often, our first fallout was when I was 21 and he got into coke which I wasn't about at all, and he was way too pushy about it so I just decided to cut ties then, he ended up getting into heroine and other drugs and subsequently ended up in prison.
if you saw me on the streets you wouldn't know I do drugs. I have never been caught because I do most of my stuff alone. I deal with very few people and keep to myself.
I feel i'm at this point in life where I need to make shit happen though. I have half an engineering degree at U of M and half an accounting degree at a local community college. I want to find a better job and move forward in life, and hopefully get enough money to finish a degree up.
materialistically I have everything I want other than a house so that's pretty much my next big financial goal and i'll likely have to get rid of some of my toys to do that but down payment money is a fairly attainable goal with my assets at this point. 
A few prior failed relationships have weighed heavily on my existence but the relationship with my family is what really makes me feel foreign to this world. I've never experienced treatment as poor as my father treats me.
while i'm not wildly successful I have had no support and mentally feel extremely drained constantly because of it. In our last argument he described me as a bad son, a failure and a loser and it kind of tore me to the core. Growing up I was told that my dad said they were having kids until they had a boy and they ended up with 2 girls and me.
I've always felt like a failure to him and sort of a failure at life for a long time due to his disdain for me.
I want to redefine my journey, find my path, carpe some diem, however you want to put it. But i'm having a hard time taking it all in at once. finding happiness within is just a great struggle, and I realize I've sought validation from many other aspects of my life that ultimately cannot provide me with lasting comfort and learning how to move forward, find some sort of passion that leads me to smile on a daily basis, I spoke with a therapist and their words were, learn to love myself which is just such an abstract concept to me.

The timing aspect all comes in because my fathers love seems quite conditional, he wanted me to sign a contract with him about certain goals of mine in life and reprecussions for not meeting them.
i'm 25 and I don't know who in their right mind thinks that's an appropriate way of handling their relationship with their child. but the desire for validation has put me in a situation where I have to play ball with him or put our relationship on the backburner for a while.
I just have this fear that one day i'm going to wake up to a phone call that he's gone and i'm going to have a world of regret for things I could've tried to do to mend our relationship. and with my increasingly shrinking list of people I associate with, I feel like this is one worth pursuing.




I've had major issues with my father as well throughout my life. We never really had a relationship and I resented him greatly for a-lot of things. I never had a real male role-model of sorts to teach me how to be a "man" per say, and so I ended up stumbling around a-lot in life. On my first mushroom trip 3 years ago, I broke down crying (an incredible mix of happy and sad crying) when I came face to face with my repressed "daddy issues". The message was "You are your father's son" and I realized all of the strengths he has, and all of the weaknesses, are manifest in me. At that moment I also got the message that I can escape the cycle, that I don't need to carry with me his deepest flaws. Then I realized he must be suffering greatly (but he's a "macho" type of old school European man so he never shows it). I gained compassion and love for him in that moment. And it freed me from the prison of resentment. I forgave him, and thus I was free of that self-imposed burden. Our relationship changed when I got back. We were never "close" and still aren't but I make sure to show him love now. I make sure he understands that I love him because I know how much he must suffer, especially since he never opens up about anything. And although he still has most of his deep flaws, he seems to have changed too.

I think showing him love, and dropping that resentment, changed the energy between us. We will never have a real deep relationship, but I can value what we have, even if there are times where I just can't stand his behavior. Anyway, this went on longer than it needed to probably. My point is, don't force yourself to save the relationship. Forgive him and most of all, forgive yourself. Show love and do not hold any resentment. You may have many reasons to resent him, as did I with my father, but in this moment, You are a beautiful human not bound by the fortunes or misfortunes bestowed upon you.

All the best in your journey! Mush love :heart:


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26419524 - 01/06/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I would never have guessed that tripping around Nazis and tweakers would cause issue. Note to self.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: Smartattack] * 1
    #26419747 - 01/06/20 05:53 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

OP, I think you need to find yourself a new group of "friends."  Or stay home and hang with US instead.  We cool!  :lol:


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26419768 - 01/06/20 06:07 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

haha I love all y'all here. feels nice being able to be open with minimal judgement.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: 330ci]
    #26419928 - 01/06/20 07:49 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Sheesh, man. Sounds like a nightmarish trip.

I don't think you probably want to hear a lecture but...set & setting, dude.

Pretty sure we've all found ourselves in situations where we were tripping and in hindsight shouldn't have been. Hopefully this experience will reinforce just how important set & setting truly is.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: Niffla]
    #26421150 - 01/07/20 01:47 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Sounds like it is your friend that's the issue and the setting you chose to trip in...

...and not actually "tripping with other people".


I trip with friends from time to time and shit like that never happens,...The main reasons I prefer to not trip with friends, sometimes, is because I like to have time & space to myself and not be distracted.





But that sounds like an absolutely terrible trip and setting to be in. Why did you choose to take drugs in such a bad setting and around such people?....Did you even have any sort of "plan"?...It sounds like you guys just went and got some drugs from some dealer, ate the drugs while there, and then you ended up stuck in some fucked up setting.

Was there ever a plan to begin with or a point to eating the drugs or were ya'll just trying to get high just for the sake of getting high with no real purpose or point to it all? I mean why would one want to eat vyvanse and mdma while at a random dealer/Neo Nazi's house or while hanging around a bunch of tweakers? ANd then mushrooms on top of that...

That sounds like a terrible time and a big waste of drugs.

I just don't understand how people get themselves into these fucked up situations.

I would never want to just randomly eat some vyvanse and mdma while at some strangers house...like wtf is the point? And then throwing some mushrooms on top of it all :crazy: .




When I eat MDMA or a psychedelic I usually have a plan in mind. I have a cozy & comfortable place to dose and relax...I have some good music playing...I have some sort of "point" or direction to the experience.

I can't imagine eating a cocktail of drugs at a strangers/dealers/neo nazi's house with no actual plan in mind.



And it also sounds like you were driving around while high on vyvanse, mdma, and mushrooms?...:rolleyes: :facepalm:






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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: openmind]
    #26421440 - 01/07/20 04:26 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

so the plan was go out grab some drugs and come back to my friends house. I had never had vyvanse before and was told it was like adderol, I took the vyvanse as we left my friends and it was an hr to detroit and another 10 minutes to the other guys house, it was kicking in pretty hard. after we grabbed the drugs we went to another guys house to grab a tire alledgedly. once there we went inside and were chilling. I trusted my friend and I didn't know everyone was a bunch of tweakers at this point. eventually a meth pipe came out, I made it clear I wasn't partaking and my friend was. my buddy gave me some molly and I figured I wasn't leaving him behind so I had some time to roll. he gave me the mdma I didn't pay for it so it was more an opportunistic thing. I kept my acid and most all of my shrooms, however ate some of the shrooms since I really just figured I was hanging with tweakers at that point. it wasn't until I saw the MC flag and SS lightning bolts on the wall when I went to the bathroom that I realized where I really was at. at some point we went a few blocks over in the middle of the night, I mentioned how sketchy it was and he mentioned how it was a police shift change so I really knew something fucked happened especially since they made my friend carry a red bag and told me to tail them close. I have never been arrested, I hang around straight laced people never in amillion years would I have expected this to happen... but drugs man. the second house I was at was actually a perfect trippers haven and I had a good time. I was just in a seperate world in a room over from them all. I say yes a little more than I should, makes for good stories but precarious situations like these make me question my motivations sometimes


as for good music, I was in charge of the playlist and they had bomb ass sound systems at both houses lol they really were pretty ideal places to get fucked up just wrong people.


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Re: Why I don't like to trip with friends. [Re: 330ci]
    #26421468 - 01/07/20 04:43 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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so the plan was go out grab some drugs and come back to my friends house. I had never had vyvanse before and was told it was like adderol, I took the vyvanse as we left my friends and it was an hr to detroit and another 10 minutes to the other guys house, it was kicking in pretty hard. after we grabbed the drugs we went to another guys house to grab a tire alledgedly. once there we went inside and were chilling. I trusted my friend and I didn't know everyone was a bunch of tweakers at this point. eventually a meth pipe came out, I made it clear I wasn't partaking and my friend was. my buddy gave me some molly and I figured I wasn't leaving him behind so I had some time to roll. he gave me the mdma I didn't pay for it so it was more an opportunistic thing. I kept my acid and most all of my shrooms, however ate some of the shrooms since I really just figured I was hanging with tweakers at that point. it wasn't until I saw the MC flag and SS lightning bolts on the wall when I went to the bathroom that I realized where I really was at. at some point we went a few blocks over in the middle of the night, I mentioned how sketchy it was and he mentioned how it was a police shift change so I really knew something fucked happened especially since they made my friend carry a red bag and told me to tail them close. I have never been arrested, I hang around straight laced people never in amillion years would I have expected this to happen... but drugs man. the second house I was at was actually a perfect trippers haven and I had a good time. I was just in a seperate world in a room over from them all. I say yes a little more than I should, makes for good stories but precarious situations like these make me question my motivations sometimes


as for good music, I was in charge of the playlist and they had bomb ass sound systems at both houses lol they really were pretty ideal places to get fucked up just wrong people.





I gotcha..

...I can understand how it happened now.


But dang...Yea I can imagine that would have been a stressful and not the most enjoyable of times.

Bummer.





-OM

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