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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26417887 - 01/05/20 04:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not making any comment on the ethics of the power players, just stating the reality. Iran exerting influence in Iraq in order to prevent the USA from exerting similar influence might have stronger ethical support than the USA exerting influence in Iraq for oil profits, but both situations are still examples of one country using its influence (military, diplomatic, or economic) to control the policy of another country - imperialism.  I'll agree that the USA has no business at all in the region, whereas Iran does.



Fine, but I think this discussion was started by you posting a comment on the ethics of the power players:

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The Anarchist Era Collective’s statement on the assassination of an Iranian state terrorist:

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Qasem Soleimani has long tormented the people and we congratulate the survivors of his crimes in the Middle East, particularly Syria, Iraq and Yemen.
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Qasem Soleimani was a genocidal man that has killed thousands of men, women, and children in the conflicts in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.
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We hope all of these religious terrorists are killed as soon as possible and these murderous state governments will be destroyed so that the people of the Middle East live again in peace and prosperity






These are the things I disagreed with your post about, as my feelings are that the vast majority of those 'crimes' were in defense of Iran against Western imperialism, and that led to the follow up discussion.

Sure, there may have been other things going on, but I think those were small in comparison.

The reason we gave for killing him is because he was a threat to Americans in his own region of the world.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26417900 - 01/05/20 04:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So your claim is that Western imperialism is the sole cause of conflict in the ME?



No, not the sole cause, but the main one.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26417909 - 01/05/20 04:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods]
    #26417920 - 01/05/20 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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questioned about their political views and allegiances.




Political correctness testing isn’t something that should be happening at the border to American residents




As if you're going to be told exactly why you're being questioned or were flagged by an invasive and automated computerized tracking system....

You think they're being questioned for political correctness...
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26417948 - 01/05/20 05:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You say all this matter of factly as if it's not an offence to freedom.  Trump murders some guy so you think Americans going to Canada to see a concert then becomes a 'stupid game'?

I think it's a drag for a American citizens to bear the brunt of the neurotic in chief's paranoia.

These kids didn't deserve that shit.  Why doesn't the president focus the nations resources on actual problems instead of harassing kids coming back from a trip to BC, Canada?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26417969 - 01/05/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The funeral procession for Soleimani was 20 miles long


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: JohnRainy] * 2
    #26418009 - 01/05/20 05:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm having a hard time understanding why we thought murdering this guy was a good idea? Do we have any theories?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: christopera]
    #26418014 - 01/05/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Probably because he was an effective terrorist planning attacks against US soldiers who provided weapons and training to terrorists and who had been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers in the Iraq war.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26418021 - 01/05/20 05:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Fine, but I think this discussion was started by you posting a comment on the ethics of the power players




When I stated I wasn't making any comment on the ethics of the power players, it was in reference to this specific sentence: "Iran is one of the major powers in the ME and their interests don't align with the other major powers present in the region (Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA)". In this case, I was making no comment on the ethical aspect of the various interests - I was just listing some of the major powers in the region. It wasn't meant to instigate an ethical discussion on the presence of the USA in the ME, but to illustrate why Iran would have imperialist interests in the surrounding region.



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These are the things I disagreed with your post about, as my feelings are that the vast majority of those 'crimes' were in defense of Iran against Western imperialism, and that led to the follow up discussion.

Sure, there may have been other things going on, but I think those were small in comparison.



And should the people of Syria, Iraq, and Yemen who have suffered and died as a direct result of Soleimani's command role in the Iranian state be satisfied that the "vast majority" were in defence of Iran against Western Imperialism?

You yourself qualify your statement with "vast majority" because you are clearly not confident in claiming all these crimes are justifiable as defence against Western Imperialism.

Still, I'm glad that you are able to make the judgment that the "other things going on" (ie death, displacement, and suffering) are small beans in comparison. Someone should let the Iranians and Afghans who wrote that statement know that they are blowing things out of proportion.

I feel my last response provided significant support for my claim of Iranian imperialism, and the statements claim of religious fanaticism and terrorism - perhaps you could directly respond to that rather than talking about your feelings on the matter.



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The reason we gave for killing him is because he was a threat to Americans in his own region of the world.



For sure - the statement was in no way an attempt to justify the assassination. The statement acknowledged the role Soleimani had played in fueling conflict in the ME and hoped his victims would find some comfort in his death, but then went on to decry the US callously using the people of the ME as pawns in its power games and how the resulting escalation in struggle between religious extremists and capitalist imperialism will always leave the people to suffer.



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So your claim is that Western imperialism is the sole cause of conflict in the ME?



No, not the sole cause, but the main one.



I agree, but since it is not the sole cause, it should be understandable why groups such as the Anarchist Era Collective would also be opposed to theocratic regimes in the region and Eastern imperialism (specifically China) too. Being opposed to the Iranian state and Soleimani is not synonymous with a pro-Western outlook.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: nooneman] * 3
    #26418023 - 01/05/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You have any facts to back that claim up? Seems we've been murdering people in the name of terrorism for like 18 years, but terrorism isn't really an issue, unless of course we want to consider all these disenfranchised white Christian dudes terrorists.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: nooneman] * 3
    #26418031 - 01/05/20 05:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Probably because he was an effective terrorist planning attacks against US soldiers who provided weapons and training to terrorists and who had been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers in the Iraq war.



How is attacking military personnel with bombs in a war zone terrorism? If that is the standard, then what we did to soleimani was also terrorism.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26418115 - 01/05/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I sounds like we're generally in agreement.  I primarily took exception to the things I quoted here from your original post, though I get why you defend those. 

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And should the people of Syria, Iraq, and Yemen who have suffered and died as a direct result of Soleimani's command role in the Iranian state be satisfied that the "vast majority" were in defence of Iran against Western Imperialism?



I don't know if people who die in conflict should ever be satisfied, but the majority of people who died in those wars have the US to blame, unless you think the Middle East should always roll over and never fight back.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26418258 - 01/05/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

trump says he’ll bury Iraq with sanctions if they force American troops out of the country. 

So much for bringing them home


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods] * 1
    #26418303 - 01/05/20 08:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The military industrial complex wins again.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods] * 1
    #26418310 - 01/05/20 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So much for bringing them home




Relax, it's only an additional 3000 troops for 60 days... what could possibly go wrong?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26418347 - 01/05/20 08:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’m cautiously assuming congress wouldn’t allow him to get away with that. I think they’d be able to get a veto proof bill preventing it. But who knows.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods]
    #26418376 - 01/05/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if Iran is behind the attack on the US outpost in Kenya that killed one service member and a bunch of locals.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: koods]
    #26418381 - 01/05/20 08:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Persians don't kill people. Guns kill people.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26418412 - 01/05/20 09:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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questioned about their political views and allegiances.




Political correctness testing isn’t something that should be happening at the border to American residents




As if you're going to be told exactly why you're being questioned or were flagged by an invasive and automated computerized tracking system....

You think they're being questioned for political correctness...
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Watch the video demo from Palintir i posted...
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel/

You can get flagged just from proximity to a questionable person in your social graph.
Stop believing in garbage headline stories.

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I dindu nuffin.. I dunno why I was questioned...




Riggggghhhht

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-16810312
https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/27/border-deny-entry-united-states-social-media/
https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/22/14066082/us-customs-border-patrol-social-media-account-facebook-twitter

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Sweet, hopefully they start checking for white nationalism on peoples Facebook pages. Nip those terrorist sum bitches in the bud. Do stupid shit....


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26418459 - 01/05/20 09:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

3000 shipped out this weekend



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