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audiophoenix
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Potency boosters?
#26418156 - 01/05/20 06:52 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've been growing on and off since 2009, but never really had the fortitude to narrow down growing methods to measure potency in any meaningful way.
Has there been any consensus on whether just coco and Vern produce less potent specimens than hpoo or other additives?
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Smartattack
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Pretty sure genetics = %99.7 percent of potency doesn't it? Seems wise to play with different cultures rather than different substrate it potency is the goal.
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That seems to be the general consensus. Genetics ftw.
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All mine always seem the same. If we could boost potency by 10% that would mean instead of taking 2g or 3g, we would want 1.8g or 2.7g so really what does it matter?
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I have some experiments running with long consolidation to boost potency, my results aren't in but the theory is compelling Read: 'Longer consolidation time leads to greater potency' In that thread, numerous people including trusted cultivators and RR say that long consolidation times result in distinctly increased potency. Often they discovered it by accident. Went on vacation, came home, fruited the 3 month consolidated cake, ate 3 grams, melted through the floor...
There seems to be some lack of clarity if consolidating the spawn jar, or the cake works best. That is a point I'm looking at in my running tests. I have two small batches of one variety, half consolidated 4 weeks as spawn, half consolidated 4 weeks as a cake. I'll be setting those to fruit in a week. My next batch is two batches of a variety again jar vs cake, this time 6 weeks. If those are promising I'll run an experiment with a clonal isolate to test whichever variable seems more promising. Cake vs jar, month vs two vs three months, etc.
Its funny how that thread pops up again every few years and more evidence is added in support, but it never goes very far. I guess patience is a scarce commodity in making hallucinogens. A phenomena I can relate to
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Re: Potency boosters? [Re: Elrik]
#26418649 - 01/06/20 01:21 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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I've read some threads from RR regarding consolidation times and how it supposedly affects overall performance of the fruiting cycle. This is something I have not had a chance to experiment with or research yet, so I can't really vouch for its validity.
It sounds intriging though. It would be a fun project to do a grow with 2 monos. One for fruiting at spawn, and the other with one week of consolidation time after 100% colonization before introducing fruiting conditions.
Going off memory, RR says consolidation allows the fungus more time to thoroughly digest its food source, which results in ideal fruiting performance. Speed, yield, and maybe potency too are at their peak.
Fruiting at spawn provides some good results for sure. I could say honestly though that I havent had any batches from fruiting at spawn that were mind blowingly potent. Usually decent to exceptional yields at least.
My grows from the early days seemed more potent, like before fruiting at spawn was a thing. I realize genetics ultimately determine potency, however if the fungus had that extra time to covert food into energy, its possible this could bring those genetics to their full potential.
Definitely something you dont want to try unless your spawn is sqeaky clean.
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I have found PE6 when picked before the veils break to be pretty potent for their weight. Ate 10 less then 1in tall when harvesting one day and set me back a notch. I'm a microdoser so I just harvest before veils break for my medicine.
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audiophoenix
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Re: Potency boosters? [Re: YogiBear]
#26418788 - 01/06/20 06:23 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Good to hear. I've abandoned hpoo and coffee several years ago and haven't noticed any real difference in yield so I'm curious what the reason people are still using them. Just curious what I'm missing if anything.
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Make sure they get dried to 100% dry as fast as possible. Thats basically all you can do for potency.
or take an maoi with ur shrooms. That will really increase potency.
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It’s been a couple months since I read that thread but I thought they had only tested consolidated subs, is there a test with spawn also?
If consolidated spawn works that would be perfect cuz I’ve got a BRF Cake I’m doing this test on that’s around 80 days old now, not sure how long I’ll let it go but I’d much rather spawn it then fruit as a cake.
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Re: Potency boosters? [Re: A.k.a]
#26419148 - 01/06/20 11:28 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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A major issue is that without easy testing equipment everyone is just guesstimating based on what’s a quite subjective experience.
There have been plenty of hypothesis from blue light to adding tryptamines to the substrate and so far the only clear cut tried and true booster for cubes is to grow Penis Envy... and even then one TC has mentioned their weakest grow ever was a random PE grow.
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Re: Potency boosters? [Re: A.k.a]
#26419156 - 01/06/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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mycofile [a trusted cultivator] used 1-3 month consolidated spawn with a 1:1 to 1:3 spawn:sub ratio. Most others used consolidated tubs. One or two, from memory, tested both and settled on tubs as giving the best potency. Of course, giving each tub an extra two months would mean extra tubs and extra space unless methods are altered. What I've been doing for my tests is to spawn into a tub with a liner and at 100% colonization gently lift out and slide into a plastic bag I've modified by putting on a piece of tape, hole punching that, and putting medical tape over the hole. The cake-in-a-bag then goes in a drawer to consolidate before being put back in a tub to fruit. This way I don't need to buy more tubs and find space for them
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