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YogiBear



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GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’
#26417591 - 01/05/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST ( MILLET )
Pasty turned me on to the idea of sourcing info from the mush fam to test things so I'm approaching anyone who want to help me test this. Feel free to ππΏ the thread of you are interested in the results.
My millet tests so far have been uneventful and In a previous millet question thread I seen what you guys were saying about millet being hard to colonize and it made me wonder about the hulls toughness/texture and how it might appear to the mycelium as opposed to oats or rye. (good rye seems velvety to me)
So I was doing research on how to soften the hulls on grains to see if there was a way to work the them into a different state and THERE IS at least for cooking/eating millet.
You work the hulls by adding an acid to the soak like LEMON JUICE, WHEY OR APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.

MINDFOOD WEBSITE SOURCE INFO https://www.mindfood.com/recipe/how-to-soaking-grains/
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I'm going to use this recipe exactly for my testing...
Clean PESA wedge (still need to produce this week)
1 cup unhulled white proso millet (180g) 3 cups water 1TBS Apple Cider Vinegar (since it's the cheapest of the 3 acids given)
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If you want to join in I am encouraging any type of millet be used so we can cover as many bases at once.
I will update the thread at each turn in the road.
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26417596 - 01/05/20 01:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would this be like soaking them in lemon juice before sterilization?
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: Diego]
#26417598 - 01/05/20 01:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh sorry. Didnt read completely
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: Diego]
#26417814 - 01/05/20 03:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 I treat mine no different from wbs
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: cronicr]
#26417830 - 01/05/20 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
 I treat mine no different from wbs
Hhmmm I've done 24hr and 12 hr soaks and after sitting for a day they are dry in the jar. Right out of the PC they look like yours but not a day after.
Do you inoculate right out of the PC or do you wait a day or two?
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26417866 - 01/05/20 04:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I let them cool and inoculate
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: cronicr]
#26417886 - 01/05/20 04:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Millet heavy wbs blends get the soak.
18ish-24hrs

Using an acid on a soak is one step too many when it comes to the seed
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: cronicr]
#26417896 - 01/05/20 04:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So that jar picture is like 3-4 days old I'm assuming? Still looks really juicy unlike mine.
I wonder if it's the difference between different types of millet. Mine is white proso unhulled
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: mushboy]
#26417903 - 01/05/20 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I soaked 24hrs then loaded soaking wet and then they are dry a day later after PC. What gives with that.
I personally don't see putting a TBS of vinegar to be much of a step if it helps in the long run but I will only be PCing once a week so I can see where big guys would need to refine the processes
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26417916 - 01/05/20 04:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said: So I soaked 24hrs then loaded soaking wet and then they are dry a day later after PC. What gives with that.
Maybe you dont know what dry grain means? Because what you describe sounds perfect to me. I like my millet to sound like a ton of little BBs when I sake the jar.
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I personally don't see putting a TBS of vinegar to be much of a step if it helps in the long run.
 But the millet IS hydrated. So it's an extra unnecessary step imo.
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26417918 - 01/05/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said: So I soaked 24hrs then loaded soaking wet and then they are dry a day later after PC. What gives with that.
I personally don't see putting a TBS of vinegar to be much of a step if it helps in the long run but I will only be PCing once a week so I can see where big guys would need to refine the processes
It drying is pretty well the whole point, d9nt over think it too much
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: cronicr]
#26417934 - 01/05/20 04:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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All that's good advise guys and mine are like bb's too but no mycelium jumping from my agar to my grains. That's what put me on this path.
Is there something else I'm missing??
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: mushboy]
#26417962 - 01/05/20 05:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushboy my thinking on the acid soak was to work the outside of the grain to make it more permeable for the mycelium to get ahold of. Not so much about moisture levels. Rye is so velvety and the "choice" grain so I was wanting to get the hull softer.
I will just keep trying until I get it right.
Thanks for help gents. At least I am on the right track so far.
Will inoculate ASAP next time instead of waiting a day. π
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26418048 - 01/05/20 05:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Imo soft hulls equal mushy grains. Take oats for example.. if you dont load them hone fucking dry on the outside you'll likely have a shitshow.
Got pics of the myc not colonizing/leaping off agar?
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: mushboy]
#26418081 - 01/05/20 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see that happening here maybe with the break down of the hull for sure but have to try the test to appease my curiosity. You don't know until you know. That's what I love about mycology so lab oriented and procedural.
I don't have a pict. I tossed the jar after like 8 days I think. It was a 2nd transfer and looked pretty much ok with no visible issues. Maybe it's my agar game that needs work.. that's an under statement ! LOL
I will do another "regular jar" and an acid soak jar side by side and see what happens.
EDIT My wedge was about the size of a quarter and I buried the wedge about 1 in under the top of the grains.
Edited by YogiBear (01/05/20 06:11 PM)
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: YogiBear]
#26418107 - 01/05/20 06:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Until you got everything down I wouldnt shake/bury the wedge.
Just let it sit where it falls. Watch the morphology and all that shit
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: mushboy]
#26418286 - 01/05/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Millet works fine for me. I do an overnight soak then a ~30 min simmer. Once it is breakable by fingernail, it's good to go.

Millet is second from the right and colonizes at a comparable rate to other grains shown (wheat, barley, and popcorn).
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: mushboy]
#26418294 - 01/05/20 08:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: Until you got everything down I wouldnt shake/bury the wedge.
Just let it sit where it falls. Watch the morphology and all that shit
Oh my... π€ Point taken.
Inoculate immediately, drop and watch.
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: Mycoactive]
#26418299 - 01/05/20 08:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Overnight hot soak.
Boil water, add millet, drain 8-14 hrs later and load wet to the touch, load 1/2 full and they will be 3/4 full after the PC IME
If your wedge isnβt jumping off maybe its not the millet?
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Re: GRAIN ACID SOAK TEST (Millet) - SEEKING TESTERS π’π’π’ [Re: Mycoactive]
#26418306 - 01/05/20 08:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycoactive said: Millet works fine for me. I do an overnight soak then a ~30 min simmer. Once it is breakable by fingernail, it's good to go.

Millet is second from the right and colonizes at a comparable rate to other grains shown (wheat, barley, and popcorn).
Well that's different because everyone else is doing a soak and PC without a simmer.
Might try that too on the next PC round just for experimentation sakes. I do love a good controlled experiment.
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