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Hallucinations of different senses
    #26418047 - 01/05/20 05:52 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Although we're taught we have 5 senses, we actually have many more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

So obviously visual hallucinations are commonplace. Sense of time going haywire is commonplace too.

Audio ones are also often present, along with olfactory & gustatory (taste) occurring relatively frequently.

I'm wondering what other senes you guys have experienced hallucinations in? For me, on a very heavy acid dose, my somatic senses have hallucinated, making me think my body was being torn apart and mutilated with zero discomfort, very strange feeling.

So what are your guys' experiences with weird hallucinations of different senses? I'm interested in particular of perception of loss of sense of agency or hallucination of the sense of touch... they both seem very intriguing.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26418118 - 01/05/20 06:32 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Ok so here's the "other senses" as listed in your wiki link

Sight
Hearing
Taste
Smell
Touch

Other senses
Balance and acceleration
Temperature
Proprioception
Pain
Magnetoception
Sexual stimulation

I fail to see how these are other senses we didn't know about. They're just subsets or combinations of our 5 senses

Balance and acceleration - using sight and touch together
Temperature - just one of the things the sense of touch tells us
Propricoception - has to do with sensing positional relationships between our own body parts so again, sense of touch
Pain - sense of touch
Sexual stimulation - again..sense of touch

I bet you think there are like 50 different possible sexes for humans too


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26418125 - 01/05/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Turns out mr. angry isn't very scientific.

Read the article. All of those are different senses because we discovered specific sensors that detect them, or areas of the brain that regulate them. For example, pain receptors are part of a different nerve system than normal touch receptors.

And no, I don't think there are 50 genders.

Please go ask the mods to unlock the thread you shut down by flaming if you wish to keep doing so.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26418137 - 01/05/20 06:43 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I bet you think there are like 50 different possible sexes for humans too



Oh jeez :cantlookaway:

When i take shrooms i see dead people


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26418154 - 01/05/20 06:52 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Please go ask the mods to unlock the thread you shut down by flaming if you wish to keep doing so.




Well here's the posted reason for that thread getting closed:

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Enough with the flamin' guys....

Notice how he says "guys" but when you post it here you claim that "I" got it shut down. In the other thread you also acknowledged that you were flaming but I guess you forgot about that part.
    I was most definitely trying to get you to answer some questions as well as keep the discussion in the post instead of having you PM me with your half assed apology.

And the point is, we have 5 senses, there may be more we can detect but IMO they are all related to the 5 we all know about.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26418370 - 01/05/20 08:38 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Well, scientifically, you are wrong.

Sexual stimulation, balance and acceleration require neither touch nor vision

Proprioception is not touch, you can be suspended in a vacuum and still be able to tell where your body parts are


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26418422 - 01/05/20 09:18 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I know people in the real world like you.  They go on sites acting like they know a lot of shit and splitting hairs on arguing things in hopes of convincing themselves that they're smart or special.

So if you're penis had no nerves in it to send signals from your skin for your brain, you think you'd feel it?

I'm not really wanting answers from you.
You obviously have a lot of issues around feeling smarter than others so I'll leave you to it.  Just know that I'll be counting the days until you get ran out of here


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26418639 - 01/06/20 12:54 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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I know people in the real world like you.  They go on sites acting like they know a lot of shit and splitting hairs on arguing things in hopes of convincing themselves that they're smart or special.

So if you're penis had no nerves in it to send signals from your skin for your brain, you think you'd feel it?

I'm not really wanting answers from you.
You obviously have a lot of issues around feeling smarter than others so I'll leave you to it.  Just know that I'll be counting the days until you get ran out of here



The op is scientifically correct. So interesting to see someone dogmatically deny something that is scientific fact simply due to their own ignorance

To answer op I have definitely had times during trips where I've felt like I was falling or tipping over even when just lying down, or changes in temperature that weren't really happening. Those are just the ones that come to mind, there's probably others


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Corundum]
    #26418642 - 01/06/20 01:04 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

This thread:


Neat links OP! Checking those out now with my morning :coffee: :cool:.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26418665 - 01/06/20 01:56 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Hey KJ.

Here’s a few sense - synesthesia type effects I’ve noticed over the years:

Last trip - could NOT stop weeing and drinking. I always have a flask of orange or lemon cordial to drink, but I drank it really quickly this time. So on one of many visits to the loo, I had a big glug of drinking water from that tap; it tasted so VILE I had to literally spit it into the sink! That was weird, must have been an hallucination.

Years ago on LSD, I used to be able to see musical notes floating towards me when listening to music. This was a phenomenal trip effect I really enjoyed. Must confess, I don’t ever recall getting this effect from mushrooms.

Balance - yeah I’ve noticed this can go all haywire, but not every trip.

Sense of touch: I have heard many reports on here of heightened sensitivity to touch, though again I haven’t really noticed this one.

Body temperature: now this can swing up and down wildly. I always get cold, particularly while coming up, but sometimes I can feel cold butnstart sweating profusely. Some trips I sit by the fire turning it on and off at regular intervals!

Sense of time: I transcend time (and sometimes space) on every trip.

Sense of smell; I don’t know why, but i love the smell of burning incense while tripping. This suggests your sense of smell is also heightened while tripping, certainly for me.

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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26418923 - 01/06/20 08:13 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

When you mention sense of time, I concur that this is fundamental, but also that it underpins all psychedelic experiences, sensory and mental formations:

the idea of trails is the idea of earlier impressions being overlaid by subsequent positions.
this occurs with slower fading of signals (from senses or from memory or other mental activity)
things are the same but everything has a more dynamic and present past still resonating.

as impressions fade more slowly we get various stacking effects from our experiences:
overlaid colors are richer.
smells are more swirly and powerful.
visuals contain the residue of moments before as well as parts of remembered images that have some associative values.
empty spaces fill with chiaroscuro that cascades into geometries and animations.
sounds cascade upon sounds to produce emotional dimensions that are new.
space itself is transformed enabling directions that are impossible normally.
even impossible ideas are realizable in spite of inherent contradictions since entire ideas can persist and overlay what normally is incompatible.

that's how I see it anyway. Slower fading of impressions on all channels gives the most complete basic common factor in psychedelic mental states. (considering what might follow 5ht receptor binding, this general case observation seems to be a correct one)


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26418937 - 01/06/20 08:28 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Fascinating, regreenvibes, yeah I concur.

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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26419557 - 01/06/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I wonder if it’s possible to experience time moving backwards


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26419574 - 01/06/20 04:13 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

The perception of what is behind you, and the perception of what is beyond your immediate visual area, I've had hallucinations involving both of those on a couple of different occasions. On mushrooms, I would get the impression that there was a star field just beyond the walls of the room I was in, for example.

I've also had some 4 dimensional hallucinations, which I guess you could say that 4 dimensional perception itself is a different sense in a weird way. We don't normally have it, it's a unique sense/experience compared to normal 3d perception.

Also of course I've had some moments of total hallucination and disconnection from the body where things are 2d rather than 3d, but the images are sometimes more like memories and emotions and experiences as well, unified into a single 2d thing somehow.

My sense of touch sometimes gets patterning particularly on mushrooms, just like the patterning you see, only I can feel it, and also on mushrooms my skin has felt various colors (not looked, but felt), but only on relatively high doses.

Sometimes on medium to large doses of lysergamides, I feel as though the hallucinations are somehow passing through me, passing through my vision and the layers of my mind in some kind of unified way. As if it were piercing from one sense through all of them. It's a strange sensation, I can't think of another thing that it's like.

I do feel as though I am dreaming sometimes, too. That's kindof a unique sense or perception or something, the feeling that you're asleep and dreaming. I've also had occasional feelings of invulnerability, vulnerability vs. invulnerability might be a kind of sense.

Mindfuck might be thought of as a kind of mind hallucination, so that's a classic one that isn't generally mentioned as one of the traditional senses.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26420076 - 01/06/20 09:26 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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I wonder if it’s possible to experience time moving backwards



this happened on my first trip ever, purple microdot.
My friend had withdrawn to his room so I had free run of the apartment.
After at least an hour of being impressed with everything going on, I glanced at an alarm clock but had difficulty focusing,
I thought I should check if it was time to go home, though, so I approached it and noticed that it was going backwards and soon would be 2:30am again.
I kept marveling at this and still think it is very significant.

In those days the clocks were all round with numbers in the outer area and at least two indicator hands to tell time. this one had a red second hand and I definitely watched that thing going backwards for over 15 seconds repeatedly.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26420294 - 01/07/20 02:21 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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I wonder if it’s possible to experience time moving backwards




Great question, KJ,

My honest answer is that I don’t think I’ve ever felt that. But I have felt the following, which I am going to describe via an analogy to a movie scene about halfway through “The Evil Dead 2”, whereby the round ticking clock on the wall starts to tick very slowly, then more slowly, THEN IT STOPS TICKING.

Even though this is a comedy horror film, it is one of the scariest scenes I’ve ever watched. That moment when time stops is fundamentally troubling to the core. It is similar to the feeling I get on high dose trips, when you suddenly realise all the laws of the universe are no longer applicable, I.e. all bets are off, anything can happen from here on. It’s those times when I generally get really scared on mushrooms.

I have though travelled back in time, in my head, into headspace I had in years gone by. These trips really help with my depression, because I can return to a state of mind when I was much happier with life.

Noting nooneman’s Comment about dreaming. I have had trips where I have re-visited past dreams. I am fully lucid in them, and have resolution of memories of the dream in really great detail. I love these trips too.

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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26420400 - 01/07/20 05:23 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Proprioception is not the same thing as the sense of touch.  It’s the sense of where the body is in space, and a very different pathway than that of touch. It’s a distinction a lot of folks don’t know, but regardless that’s how it is. I’m saying this as a medical professional that does a lot of work with proprioception.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26420634 - 01/07/20 09:27 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

I sometimes think of proprioception as a cross between body sensation, memory, and echo-location, or murmur formed space.


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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26420645 - 01/07/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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Proprioception is not the same thing as the sense of touch.  It’s the sense of where the body is in space, and a very different pathway than that of touch. It’s a distinction a lot of folks don’t know, but regardless that’s how it is. I’m saying this as a medical professional that does a lot of work with proprioception.




Now that you describe it that way, (shame on me, I haven’t read the wiki article yet!), so yes I have definitely experienced that sense.

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Re: Hallucinations of different senses [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26420719 - 01/07/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

When I was tripping and grabbed a pen and paper to write down my thoughts, the pen and paper took on a different view than I've ever experienced before. It was if the piece of paper became a 3 dimensional space and as I drew a door it opened up a completely knew world. I felt as if I could walk through the doors I was drawing and with each new perspectively drawn door I could go from one door to the next until I snapped out of it. it was definitely wild how my thought patterns were forming during that trip and I definitely was experiencing a myriad of different feelings and senses during excersizes that normally would've minimally inspired my imagination at best. I remember waking up the next morning and looking at my "masterpieces" and it all just looked like madness to me.


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