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#26417016 - 01/05/20 03:58 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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A reworking of my "militant atheists are worse than zealous christians" thread. This time about the "You cant say anything anymore!" people.
Even the good guys can turn into the bad guys, if they are cringe enough...
What say you?
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
#26417017 - 01/05/20 04:04 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I honestly thought that PC Principle was making fun of people who bitched about political correctness, the first time that I saw the character. Kind of still do.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: chibiabos] 3
#26417025 - 01/05/20 04:19 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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The only thing cringier than being outraged, is being outraged by people being outraged. It's outrageous.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan] 5
#26417073 - 01/05/20 06:26 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I agree, Dylan. Both here and irl, I encounter many more anti-PC people than I do the “PC police”. And they’re always talking in hypotheticals. Yesterday I read posts here from a dude who was white-knighting for gynecologists, haha. Talking about that literally singular lunatic who tried to sue because a gyno wouldn’t examine her penis. It was like this guy took one instance of a person doing something (a person who is universally hated within trans culture, btw) and acted like there are millions of her, and that her behavior is mainstream. And then the same guy brought up that one guy who got hit with a bike lock years ago, lol. People like that are just looking to be a victim in any way they can.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Burke Dennings] 5
#26417093 - 01/05/20 06:51 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Extremism and reactionary thinking is nothing new. The KKK was formed in response to the south losing the civil war. The anti-PC people are threatened by PC culture and its increasing general acceptance. They have no good reason to hate, for example, LGBTQ people, so they site the worst of the worst offenders that even 95% of PC supporters think is stupid to make their case against it. They want the baby thrown out with the bath water. Most of them secretly want to be allowed to lynch gay people and call black dudes niggers openly. But they play nicey nice about those things and concentrate their fire on the most hardcore snowflakes.
Most of it is the fault of mainstream media. It's fascinating to hear a story about a couple giving their 12 year old son HRT so he can transition to a woman, but it's boring to hear the truth about how it is for the other 99% of trans folks
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: bloodsheen]
#26417117 - 01/05/20 07:23 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think there are two things.
One is the prevalence of PC and SJW in some parts of the internet. It is indeed annoying as hell. The change of internet and general internet nostalgia also have a strong element into internet anti-pc stuff. I completely agree with the sentiment of the awfull amount of clickbait and PC and antipc making everything worse in internet.
The other is the IRL anti-pc, mostly IRL alt-righters, they just apply internet anti-pc into real life but it makes no sense since there are not a real PC. I disagree that there are a lot of PC IRL.
For example. A friend of mine had to do a 4 hours course about machism at work. Nobody gave a fuck about the course, the lady that taught the course was completely aware that nobody gave a fuck. It is the same as the security at work courses, they are necessary for the politicians and businessmen to "do their part" but nobody gives a fuck about that stuff.
I used to live in a district in Madrid with a lot of unemployed immigrants, drugs and liberal pubs with vegan food. There was even a painted wall in the streed with naked old women with saggy tits and hairy pussies comming out of a giant pussy fruit, the worst sjw horrible art i've ever seen. But even then when i went out for a drinks with friends they could say me "useless faggot man up" and nobody would give a fuck, no PC IRL not even there.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
#26417133 - 01/05/20 07:50 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Near Dylan said:
The only thing cringier than being outraged, is being outraged by people being outraged. It's outrageous.
It's best to find humor in it!
Like when my friend tells me being a wife and mother is a form of slavery. If you feel enslaved, you made a poor choice in partners. Duh
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
#26417139 - 01/05/20 07:59 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Doesn’t look like you have a lot to say about it, so why should we?
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Burke Dennings]
#26417160 - 01/05/20 08:31 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: I agree, Dylan. Both here and irl, I encounter many more anti-PC people than I do the “PC police”. And they’re always talking in hypotheticals. Yesterday I read posts here from a dude who was white-knighting for gynecologists,
the white-knighting for gynecologists part is subjective,
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Burke Dennings said: haha. Talking about that literally singular lunatic who tried to sue because a gyno wouldn’t examine her penis. It was like this guy took one instance of a person doing something (a person who is universally hated within trans culture, btw)
Jessica Yaniv is one of many examples.
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Burke Dennings said: and acted like there are millions of her, and that her behavior is mainstream. And then the same guy brought up that one guy who got hit with a bike lock years ago, lol.
should he have brought up more examples? Eric Clanton is not an isolated example of leftist violence.
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Burke Dennings said: People like that are just looking to be a victim in any way they can.
Mentioning leftist violence in a forum is looking to be a victim?
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan] 2
#26417170 - 01/05/20 08:43 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Near Dylan said: The only thing cringier than being outraged, is being outraged by people being outraged. It's outrageous.
I don't think pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards by people that claim to have the moral high ground is as annoying as the people that spew the rhetoric in the first place.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26417172 - 01/05/20 08:44 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Has the term "political correctness" ever been used in a positive way?
Maybe the anti-PC crowd should be renamed in a more positive light - such as "Freedom Fighters"?
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26417217 - 01/05/20 09:27 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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lowbrow said:
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Burke Dennings said: I agree, Dylan. Both here and irl, I encounter many more anti-PC people than I do the “PC police”. And they’re always talking in hypotheticals. Yesterday I read posts here from a dude who was white-knighting for gynecologists,
the white-knighting for gynecologists part is subjective,
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Burke Dennings said: haha. Talking about that literally singular lunatic who tried to sue because a gyno wouldn’t examine her penis. It was like this guy took one instance of a person doing something (a person who is universally hated within trans culture, btw)
Jessica Yaniv is one of many examples.
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Burke Dennings said: and acted like there are millions of her, and that her behavior is mainstream. And then the same guy brought up that one guy who got hit with a bike lock years ago, lol.
should he have brought up more examples? Eric Clanton is not an isolated example of leftist violence.
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Burke Dennings said: People like that are just looking to be a victim in any way they can.
Mentioning leftist violence in a forum is looking to be a victim?
You are one of the most egregious examples of that. You are exceptionally thin skinned. The other day you got upset cause I said “you are not thinking straight.”
The internet must be a nightmare for you. Fragile, yet craving outrage.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods] 2
#26417238 - 01/05/20 09:40 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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You can’t have a conversation without insults. I at least grew out of that posting phase. If you don’t like me pointing it out, don’t do it.
Seems like you’re not used to somebody reacting to you with hard logic. And whenever it happens you start up the insults like clockwork.
That is bad form for a moderator.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: lowbrow] 2
#26417243 - 01/05/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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It’s hard when so many of your posts suck
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods] 1
#26417268 - 01/05/20 10:04 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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"How about not calling that man a n*gger?"
"The PC police is at it again. I say nigger when I want. Nigger nigger nigger."
"I rest my case."
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods] 3
#26417274 - 01/05/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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koods said: It’s hard when so many of your posts suck
Like I said, your predictible like clockwork.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: lowbrow] 3
#26417282 - 01/05/20 10:16 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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You’re*
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#26417285 - 01/05/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ok, this whole thing has officially gotten ridiculous. This is what happens when you have no real problems that you face..
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods]
#26417286 - 01/05/20 10:22 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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What I don’t get about lowbrow is how she doesn’t understand that she doesn’t have the right to not be offended, considering that is the core principle of the anti-PC movement.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Amanita86]
#26417288 - 01/05/20 10:23 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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My apologies for using periods in my last poast
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods]
#26417289 - 01/05/20 10:24 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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The pc police don’t have any actual jurisdiction. You can legally resist arrest if they try to pc police you

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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods] 2
#26417302 - 01/05/20 10:31 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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koods said: You’re*
Like I said ‘predictable like clockwork’.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Amanita86]
#26417303 - 01/05/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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No problem.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Amanita86]
#26417343 - 01/05/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods]
#26417353 - 01/05/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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koods said: What I don’t get about lowbrow is how he doesn’t understand that he doesn’t have the right to not be offended,
I never said I don’t have the right to be offended, you did. And you also insulted me again.
Bad form for a moderator.
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koods said: considering that is the core principle of the anti-PC movement
more like a core principle of free speech. I notice you like to use free speech to destroy free speech.
And you throw insults in every conversation you have where somebody disagrees with you or vice-versa.
Bad form for a moderator.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: lowbrow]
#26417361 - 01/05/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Bad form for a moderator.....would be a dope band name
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26417371 - 01/05/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Bad form for a moderator.....would be a dope band name 
I agree, send that one to sui.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: lowbrow] 3
#26417379 - 01/05/20 11:04 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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lowbrow said: I notice you like to use free speech to destroy free speech.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Burke Dennings] 1
#26417386 - 01/05/20 11:10 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thank you for taking the period out Burke
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods] 2
#26417445 - 01/05/20 11:50 AM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I suffered PC Police brutality one time. They made me sign a paper saying I wouldn't sexually assault anyone while at work. Shit was traumatizing, worst thing wrong with america right now for sure. More people should be talking about it instead of the snowflake fake news like climate change, war mongering and the growing wealth inequality and job automation crises. Can't even go out at night these days without someone trying to slip hormones into your drink to make you transition or something, we're under attack!
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feevers]
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HEY. job automation is not a crisis if all jobs were done by robots humans wouldn't need to work.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow] 2
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spirit_shadow said: HEY. job automation is not a crisis if all jobs were done by robots humans wouldn't need to work.
if all jobs were done by robots the upper class wouldn't need to keep the lower class around to do the work anymore
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
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spirit_shadow said: HEY. job automation is a crisis if all jobs were done by robots bosses wouldn't need to pay humans anymore and almost no one wants to talk about where those humans will then get money to be able to eat and stuff
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it's not the thing itself that's the problem, it's our society and government's willful ignorance of it that will cause it to be a problem in the future (and already), while everyone freaks out about what the loudest and most silly people on twitter are saying
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan] 3
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Near Dylan said: A reworking of my "militant atheists are worse than zealous christians" thread. This time about the "You cant say anything anymore!" people.
Even the good guys can turn into the bad guys, if they are cringe enough...
What say you?
I was going to disagree then i saw lowbrow and qman post and you know what? fair enough.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feevers]
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spirit_shadow said: HEY. job automation is a crisis if all jobs were done by robots bosses wouldn't need to pay humans anymore and almost no one wants to talk about where those humans will then get money to be able to eat and stuff
fixed
it's not the thing itself that's the problem, it's our society and government's willful ignorance of it that will cause it to be a problem in the future (and already), while everyone freaks out about what the loudest and most silly people on twitter are saying
Exactly! Money wont be needed. Its an archaic concept.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feevers]
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I honestly don’t get the problem with automation. It’s not like those machines/robots build themselves. They all need skilled maintenance and management. People have to manage production, marketing, optimization, etc. Fuck factory jobs🤷🏻♂️
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114] 1
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The end result is obviously AI and robots doing most of the "production, marketing, optimization", which is already happening to a rapidly increasing degree.
Again, it's not the thing that's the problem, it's the way we're ignoring the easily forseeable consequences of the thing
But that's for another topic
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feevers]
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feevers said: The end result is obviously AI and robots doing most of the "production, marketing, optimization", which is already happening to a rapidly increasing degree.
Again, it's not the thing that's the problem, it's the way we're ignoring the easily forseeable consequences of the thing
But that's for another topic
Hold on. Can you give an example or 2 of AI tech being implemented in manufacturing? Cause I was under the impression that were still 50-100 years away from a worthwhile AI. But ya that shit is scary.
I just think we’re at a point where some horrific jobs can be phased out forever. Coal mining, conveyer-belt jobs, etc. Like wtf is the point of all this technology if some poor loony fuck is still gonna die of black lung in 2020?
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Boycott Amazon! Those people are ass faces..real talk.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Amanita86]
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
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I decided to clear a few things up.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114] 1
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feldman114 said: I honestly don’t get the problem with automation. It’s not like those machines/robots build themselves. They all need skilled maintenance and management. People have to manage production, marketing, optimization, etc. Fuck factory jobs🤷🏻♂️
Do not actually have a problem with automation just like to critique the concept and existence of leisure culture and how many of us hope for a borderline utopian future where automation gives access to leisure culture for everyone while automation currently further enables leisure culture for the upper class
wal-mart phases out cashier positions for self-checkouts amazon uses automation assistance to speed up order picking the result in both cases is that the companies get to reduce how much of their income goes to paying employees because it reduces the total number of people on payroll, but does not increase the individual salary of workers to compensate the money goes straight to the top because maintaining robots and computers costs less than employing humans and the people raking it in live up the leisure culture the rest of us aspire to
maybe there is some ideal point in the future where that level exists philisophically, Gandhi explored this concept a bit with "bread labour" https://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap40.htm where he postulated that if everyone only worked the minimum needed for the bread to sustain us, that the leisure time it automatically would afford us would be liberating
there was another author that I recall reading in University that challenged this idea with the concept that mass production of things like bread only exists because the upper class needs it to feed the workers this is that kind of "let them eat cake" sentiment -- portraying the rich as not eating (at least the same quality of) bread or more general access to food variety in contrast to the peasants and not actually having a personal investment in whether the lower class has the basic means to survive
but yeah, robotics have cut down how many people are on assembly line, they have sped up the processes of marketing in such a manner as to reduce the overall number of lower level employees needed and so forth it's prolly a victim of slippery slope mentality but it does seem to spiral into a place where there are more and more unskilled individuals in first world countries who can't get a hold of vanishing entry-level positions, but also can't afford or are unsuited to pursuit of higher education or trade certification
looking at a list of the most frequently performed jobs in America the top of the list is unskilled positions
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Retail Salespersons
This is the most common profession, and includes about 4.5 million salespeople across the country. It also ranks as the most common occupation in the majority of states. Various factors contribute to this popularity, such as few requirements or qualifications requirements, and low job competition. This type of job is equally common for both men and women.
Cashiers
There are about 3.3 million cashiers in the United States, which makes it the second most common job. There are few requirements or qualifications needed.
Office Clerks
Office clerks compose approximately 2.7 million employees across the United States. Clerical tasks can include filing, answering telephones, envelope stuffing and mailing, along with other administrative duties required within an office environment.
Food Preparation And Serving Workers
The food industry provides a significant employment opportunity for millions of Americans. There are about 2.6 million workers in this field. This type of work is often part-time and most common in urban areas. Additionally, about 2.2 million waiters and waitresses who also work in this industry.
Customer Service Representatives
Customer service representatives handle customer queries by telephones or mail. There are more than 2 million customer service representatives working for various companies and agencies across the United States.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-popular-professions-in-the-united-states.html
after that the list does get to something more relevant like Nursing but consider how many people are going to potentially be displaced by the overlap found with the above positions being heavily automated due to associations with menial tasks and reducing, but not yet eliminating, the human work staff required
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika]
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In my professional experience here at least in spain we are developing bots for the stock market, so the future of AI i think it us more close to removing first stock brokers and market study jobs than removing clerks. Another think we do is risk and reward studies on big data for bank loans.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: living_failure]
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Automation needs to be done all at once and for it to really work we would need machines that could fix themselves and other machines..... Also sorry for the lmao
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
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That happened in spain, 80 died and 144 were wounded.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: living_failure]
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That happened in spain, 80 died and 144 were wounded.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
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Way to go, spirit_shadow.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika] 1
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feldman114 said: I honestly don’t get the problem with automation. It’s not like those machines/robots build themselves. They all need skilled maintenance and management. People have to manage production, marketing, optimization, etc. Fuck factory jobs🤷🏻♂️
Do not actually have a problem with automation just like to critique the concept and existence of leisure culture and how many of us hope for a borderline utopian future where automation gives access to leisure culture for everyone while automation currently further enables leisure culture for the upper class
wal-mart phases out cashier positions for self-checkouts amazon uses automation assistance to speed up order picking the result in both cases is that the companies get to reduce how much of their income goes to paying employees because it reduces the total number of people on payroll, but does not increase the individual salary of workers to compensate the money goes straight to the top because maintaining robots and computers costs less than employing humans and the people raking it in live up the leisure culture the rest of us aspire to
maybe there is some ideal point in the future where that level exists philisophically, Gandhi explored this concept a bit with "bread labour" https://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap40.htm where he postulated that if everyone only worked the minimum needed for the bread to sustain us, that the leisure time it automatically would afford us would be liberating
there was another author that I recall reading in University that challenged this idea with the concept that mass production of things like bread only exists because the upper class needs it to feed the workers this is that kind of "let them eat cake" sentiment -- portraying the rich as not eating (at least the same quality of) bread or more general access to food variety in contrast to the peasants and not actually having a personal investment in whether the lower class has the basic means to survive
but yeah, robotics have cut down how many people are on assembly line, they have sped up the processes of marketing in such a manner as to reduce the overall number of lower level employees needed and so forth it's prolly a victim of slippery slope mentality but it does seem to spiral into a place where there are more and more unskilled individuals in first world countries who can't get a hold of vanishing entry-level positions, but also can't afford or are unsuited to pursuit of higher education or trade certification
looking at a list of the most frequently performed jobs in America the top of the list is unskilled positions
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Retail Salespersons
This is the most common profession, and includes about 4.5 million salespeople across the country. It also ranks as the most common occupation in the majority of states. Various factors contribute to this popularity, such as few requirements or qualifications requirements, and low job competition. This type of job is equally common for both men and women.
Cashiers
There are about 3.3 million cashiers in the United States, which makes it the second most common job. There are few requirements or qualifications needed.
Office Clerks
Office clerks compose approximately 2.7 million employees across the United States. Clerical tasks can include filing, answering telephones, envelope stuffing and mailing, along with other administrative duties required within an office environment.
Food Preparation And Serving Workers
The food industry provides a significant employment opportunity for millions of Americans. There are about 2.6 million workers in this field. This type of work is often part-time and most common in urban areas. Additionally, about 2.2 million waiters and waitresses who also work in this industry.
Customer Service Representatives
Customer service representatives handle customer queries by telephones or mail. There are more than 2 million customer service representatives working for various companies and agencies across the United States.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-popular-professions-in-the-united-states.html
after that the list does get to something more relevant like Nursing but consider how many people are going to potentially be displaced by the overlap found with the above positions being heavily automated due to associations with menial tasks and reducing, but not yet eliminating, the human work staff required
I don’t disagree with you, but I think we have to take a step back to see this issue clearly. Sure, unskilled workers will suffer due to things like self-checkout, but that’s only going to affect the current workforce. As more unskilled jobs become automated, people entering the workforce will seek more education and training. As for people who just can’t hack it at college (nothing wrong with that), trade schools are a great option. I’d trade my degree for masonry/welding skills in a heartbeat... And I don’t imagine automation of skilled labor in any foreseeable future - robots that climb your house to fix your roof or a leaky pipe are just sci-fi for now. My point is, there are no long-term downsides.
Also, idk if I can agree with automation only benefiting the upper class. I think it’s a correlation, not a cause-effect situation. The wealth gap has been exponentially growing during the entire period of time that automation has existed. And, let’s be real, even if automation was outlawed, the top 5% would find ways to fuck the rest of us all the same.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
#26418033 - 01/05/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I agree with burke, dylan, and bloodsheen. If you just combine their three posts, that's pretty much how I feel about it. Both sides can and do take things too far. Extremism is stupid and annoying in any form, but it's always a tiny minority that seems bigger than it is.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
#26418076 - 01/05/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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Definitely agree. I find myself encountering people who bitch abut the "PC Police" more than I find people that complain about PC. Granted I think there's a bit too much PC nowadays, I definitely don't think all advocation for political correctness is bad. There's a time and place for everything, whether that be an insensitive joke, or political correctness.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: deadwk]
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said: Way to go, spirit_shadow.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods]
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Near Dylan said: Way to go, spirit_shadow.
I almost died in a train accident, and was saved because I got to the station late and missed it. God has a greater purpose for me than burning to a crisp in the front carriage of a commuer train like those other losers.
Holy shit
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Citizen X] 3
#26418116 - 01/05/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I always think its funny that people who rage the most about university PC culture are the ones who are least likely to set foot on a university campus. Its one of those places you can tell dumb white trash scare stories about, because they aren't ever going to be students. The right wing media can say anything about Muslim crime Europe too because their viewers don't have passports. University campus? Germany? You might as well be talking about Narnia.
Its obscure corners of academia that go full retard on the PC thing, my advice is don't take Women's Studies. That shit has zero effect on your life as a student in engineering or business or really any mainstream discipline. I am more worried about sending my daughter to a place with a rape epidemic than I am about being forced to call some tranny "she". Who really cares about that shit? Oh yeah, bigots....
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: viraldrome]
#26418431 - 01/05/20 09:23 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Ice9]
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i didn’t have a Christmas tree this year and it was great. I slept until noon. I want to spread the no Christmas gospel
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Ice9] 4
#26418560 - 01/05/20 11:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun
It's incredibly entertaining. There's a constant parade of outrage orgies.
This week some black people are mad at Kylie Jenner, who has been accused of cultural appropriation after this photo of her braided hair. I guess you need to check your skin color before you choose a hair style? Every week there's fun drama from the outrage crowd. God bless their tiny pitiful lives.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
#26418561 - 01/05/20 11:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Feldman that is some "let them eat cake" shit if I ever saw it. What does trade school have to do with there being a limited number of, for example, welding jobs? If we get to the point where trade school becomes the bare minimum to make a living wage (almost there already anyway), trade-based jobs become the new McDonald's jobs. Wages stagnate as competition for a select few jobs skyrockets, thus pushing the entire class system apart further from the middle.
Maybe you are right that a roofing robot is science fiction at the moment, but population continues to rise at an alarming rate. The days of "inventing the television creates television repair jobs" are over. We likely won't see it in our lifetime, but there really will be a time when robots repair other robots and by then our population will likely be out of control. Even if it's slow, the "living wage job creation to population growth" ratio will 100% only get worse from here.
There is one way out though. When raging forest fires burn half of our cities to the ground and the other half of cities are 10 feet under water, construction jobs will be absolutely everywhere. Can't build robots if nobody has a place to live
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 3
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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun
It's incredibly entertaining. There's a constant parade of outrage orgies.
This week some black people are mad at Kylie Jenner, who has been accused of cultural appropriation after this photo of her braided hair. I guess you need to check your skin color before you choose a hair style? Every week there's fun drama from the outrage crowd. God bless their tiny pitiful lives.

The cultural appropriation thing is the worst of it IMO. Like certain cultures have a monopoly on certain styles & shit.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said: ... I don’t disagree with you, but I think we have to take a step back to see this issue clearly. Sure, unskilled workers will suffer due to things like self-checkout, but that’s only going to affect the current workforce. As more unskilled jobs become automated, people entering the workforce will seek more education and training. As for people who just can’t hack it at college (nothing wrong with that), trade schools are a great option. I’d trade my degree for masonry/welding skills in a heartbeat... And I don’t imagine automation of skilled labor in any foreseeable future - robots that climb your house to fix your roof or a leaky pipe are just sci-fi for now. My point is, there are no long-term downsides.
Also, idk if I can agree with automation only benefiting the upper class. I think it’s a correlation, not a cause-effect situation. The wealth gap has been exponentially growing during the entire period of time that automation has existed. And, let’s be real, even if automation was outlawed, the top 5% would find ways to fuck the rest of us all the same.
just for the sake of clarification am myself on a guaranteed livable income program for disability and am looking forward to a number of automation services improving my life for example, when human drivers are taken off the road for uniform self-driving vehicles that will liberate me to travel more -- am not able to drive, and currently rely on rides from friends and family to get places so automated vehicles will enhance my independence as a poor person at the bottom of the barrel
but am still critical of the way that automation is being used to phase out human employment and think you touched on the most problematic aspect of the US when you said: "...but that’s only going to affect the current workforce. As more unskilled jobs become automated, people entering the workforce will seek more education and training." this is both true, and an issue unless President Sanders wins in November and makes higher education free
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Dark_Star] 2
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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun
It's incredibly entertaining. There's a constant parade of outrage orgies.
This week some black people are mad at Kylie Jenner, who has been accused of cultural appropriation after this photo of her braided hair. I guess you need to check your skin color before you choose a hair style? Every week there's fun drama from the outrage crowd. God bless their tiny pitiful lives.

The cultural appropriation thing is the worst of it IMO. Like certain cultures have a monopoly on certain styles & shit. 
my favourite is the (white) people who argue for an African monopoly on dreadlocks could see the wheels turning in their brains when asking me "do you know where that hairstyle comes from?" and everything grinding to a confused halt at my reply "well, spiritually follow Shaivite Hinduism, and dreadlocks have been a hairstyle worn in observance of his worship since time in pre-written history for the Indian subcontinent"
but compliments were a more common personal encounter than criticisms in stark contrast to the articles and social commentary made abstractly about "white people with dreadlocks are dirty" by people who likely did not interact with me
reflecting on any of my decade of dreadlocks makes me want to lock up my hair again QQ
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika]
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bloodsheen said: Feldman that is some "let them eat cake" shit if I ever saw it. What does trade school have to do with there being a limited number of, for example, welding jobs? If we get to the point where trade school becomes the bare minimum to make a living wage (almost there already anyway), trade-based jobs become the new McDonald's jobs. Wages stagnate as competition for a select few jobs skyrockets, thus pushing the entire class system apart further from the middle.
Maybe you are right that a roofing robot is science fiction at the moment, but population continues to rise at an alarming rate. The days of "inventing the television creates television repair jobs" are over. We likely won't see it in our lifetime, but there really will be a time when robots repair other robots and by then our population will likely be out of control. Even if it's slow, the "living wage job creation to population growth" ratio will 100% only get worse from here.
There is one way out though. When raging forest fires burn half of our cities to the ground and the other half of cities are 10 feet under water, construction jobs will be absolutely everywhere. Can't build robots if nobody has a place to live
So robot welders exist? Don’t think so. I brought up trade school, because having a welding license is just as lucrative as having a business degree. More so, if you ask me. Google welding wages. I make $25/hr with a degree, and won’t make more until I get at least 5 years of experience on my resume.
Totally agree on overpopulation though. Kinda makes you wonder if climate change is the planet’s response...but that’s my foil hat talking now...
@Tantrika Okay, gotta concede that. I was so focused on one clusterfuck, I forgot all about the student debt clusterfuck
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Robot welding has been a thing for like 40 years. All major manufacturers of cars use robot welders. The thing to understand is that robot welders are pretty dumb, you tell them to go through coordinates x,y,z,c,a at a set feed rate, once the commands have been completed they stop or repeat. There's no real time feed back, so when something is fucked up, they just keep repeating the fuck up. So you hope the product is good. There's little quality control until a person looks at it. Keep in mind, the programs required to run the robot welder are produced by humans who use complex software to generate the code, that software was built by other people. And when parts get made people still do the setup, they still interpret the quality control, they still are required for repair of welders, for adjustment of the robots when they are no longer in spec. The list goes on and on.
Robots are great at repetitive type welding. It's hard to build a machine that will crawl under a car and weld the muffler to the exhaust pipe, and it's really unprofitable to do that when you only fix 1 out of every 20 exhausts like that. So humans will always have the edge there, at least until we have Star Wars level robots that exhibit near total autonomy. When you look at even the worlds most advanced robots (CMU, MIT, and a few other research schools), these robots all operate on similar styles to the robots I described above. They have very dumb methods of walking, climbing, jumping. Yeah they can do incredible stuff, but if Kevin McCallister puts a blow torch on the door knob they are fucked. There is no dealing with that, they aren't capable in any way of adapting to things outside their basic operational functions. And if you've spent anytime even watching something like an Uber self driving car operate, you know how retarded they drive. Sure they occasionally get from point A to point B without issue, but as far as how they drive a car, they look like a third grader mowing the lawn for the first time. I live in Pittsburgh, there are at least four self driving car operations here, so I see it first hand all the time. For the record, the Tesla self driving software is easily the best out there. Waymo is a close second. These two company's are the only ones that have the kinematics of driving fairly operational. But they all use LIDAR and GPS data to drive, they aren't intuitive, they rely on data sets.
Welding is a great trade though, my father's uncle welded on a bunch of very high profile projects. For example, he worked on the Petronas towers. He made well over $100 an hour. He's since retired.
All of that said, the problem with the "automation eliminates jobs" argument is that we've been automating jobs for 140 years, maybe longer. Yet we have more jobs than we have ever had. I do think we will see a shift in the type of jobs though, and high education and high training type roles will be the best jobs to have. We don't yet have robots that will clean the shit off the walls of the McDonalds bathroom, or robots that will answer a phone all day and send emails or file payroll. In fact, where these processes have been automated we end up seeing backlash. Nobody likes talking to the automated phone system, all you do is try to trick it into getting you to a real person. Where human tellers have been replaced by touch screens, you see people standing in line for the single human teller instead. Large scale automation of jobs is a long way off, 50 years or more. That doesn't mean I am against universal income plans or other ways to anticipate this shift in job type, it's just that I think we are pretty naive as far as what the realities of this shift will truly be.
Finally, I agree that the anci-PCers are more annoying that the PCers. The anti-PCers are the first to get bent out of shape when you call them a retard, and by that standard alone they fail.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika]
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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun
It's incredibly entertaining. There's a constant parade of outrage orgies.
This week some black people are mad at Kylie Jenner, who has been accused of cultural appropriation after this photo of her braided hair. I guess you need to check your skin color before you choose a hair style? Every week there's fun drama from the outrage crowd. God bless their tiny pitiful lives.

The cultural appropriation thing is the worst of it IMO. Like certain cultures have a monopoly on certain styles & shit. 
my favourite is the (white) people who argue for an African monopoly on dreadlocks could see the wheels turning in their brains when asking me "do you know where that hairstyle comes from?" and everything grinding to a confused halt at my reply "well, spiritually follow Shaivite Hinduism, and dreadlocks have been a hairstyle worn in observance of his worship since time in pre-written history for the Indian subcontinent"
but compliments were a more common personal encounter than criticisms in stark contrast to the articles and social commentary made abstractly about "white people with dreadlocks are dirty" by people who likely did not interact with me
reflecting on any of my decade of dreadlocks makes me want to lock up my hair again QQ
I’d have paid to see the look on their faces. Also....... looking at that picture of Kylie; those braids are blond.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: christopera] 1
#26420058 - 01/06/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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christopera said: Robot welding has been a thing for like 40 years. All major manufacturers of cars use robot welders. The thing to understand is that robot welders are pretty dumb, you tell them to go through coordinates x,y,z,c,a at a set feed rate, once the commands have been completed they stop or repeat. There's no real time feed back, so when something is fucked up, they just keep repeating the fuck up. So you hope the product is good. There's little quality control until a person looks at it. Keep in mind, the programs required to run the robot welder are produced by humans who use complex software to generate the code, that software was built by other people. And when parts get made people still do the setup, they still interpret the quality control, they still are required for repair of welders, for adjustment of the robots when they are no longer in spec. The list goes on and on.
Robots are great at repetitive type welding. It's hard to build a machine that will crawl under a car and weld the muffler to the exhaust pipe, and it's really unprofitable to do that when you only fix 1 out of every 20 exhausts like that. So humans will always have the edge there, at least until we have Star Wars level robots that exhibit near total autonomy. When you look at even the worlds most advanced robots (CMU, MIT, and a few other research schools), these robots all operate on similar styles to the robots I described above. They have very dumb methods of walking, climbing, jumping. Yeah they can do incredible stuff, but if Kevin McCallister puts a blow torch on the door knob they are fucked. There is no dealing with that, they aren't capable in any way of adapting to things outside their basic operational functions. And if you've spent anytime even watching something like an Uber self driving car operate, you know how retarded they drive. Sure they occasionally get from point A to point B without issue, but as far as how they drive a car, they look like a third grader mowing the lawn for the first time. I live in Pittsburgh, there are at least four self driving car operations here, so I see it first hand all the time. For the record, the Tesla self driving software is easily the best out there. Waymo is a close second. These two company's are the only ones that have the kinematics of driving fairly operational. But they all use LIDAR and GPS data to drive, they aren't intuitive, they rely on data sets.
Welding is a great trade though, my father's uncle welded on a bunch of very high profile projects. For example, he worked on the Petronas towers. He made well over $100 an hour. He's since retired.
All of that said, the problem with the "automation eliminates jobs" argument is that we've been automating jobs for 140 years, maybe longer. Yet we have more jobs than we have ever had. I do think we will see a shift in the type of jobs though, and high education and high training type roles will be the best jobs to have. We don't yet have robots that will clean the shit off the walls of the McDonalds bathroom, or robots that will answer a phone all day and send emails or file payroll. In fact, where these processes have been automated we end up seeing backlash. Nobody likes talking to the automated phone system, all you do is try to trick it into getting you to a real person. Where human tellers have been replaced by touch screens, you see people standing in line for the single human teller instead. Large scale automation of jobs is a long way off, 50 years or more. That doesn't mean I am against universal income plans or other ways to anticipate this shift in job type, it's just that I think we are pretty naive as far as what the realities of this shift will truly be.
IMO, we haven't actually been automating jobs for 140 years. Inventing technology that makes a job easier is not the same as automating. It does eliminate some jobs but not on the same scale as true automation. The car industry is a great example, that has been almost entirely automated and has destroyed the job market for cars in this country. Whatever a machine can't make they give to slave laborers in China to make. Sure the final steps are done by humans, but we have had entire town economies obliterated by automation for decades.
And as far as the "waiting in line for the human teller," that is mostly boomers too techno-terrified to trust a machine with their money. In 20 years they will almost all be dead. I'm not saying that automation is an imminent threat, but it's getting there. I honestly cannot imagine having a child on purpose in this world. Even if humanity won't go extinct, we are due for a heavy culling very soon
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: bloodsheen]
#26420612 - 01/07/20 09:12 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Model T, first released in 1908, used machine automated shapers (type of machine tool) to cut their blocks. The shapers would machine five engine blocks at a time, simultaneously. Human interaction was required, but that one machine replaced guys who would have otherwise stood at individual shapers. The steam powered cotton gin became common in the late 1800's, and it sent the south into an industrial revolution. This doesn't even scratch the surface of how automated manufacturing has been in use for more than a century. Lights out screw machine factories have been operated for a century, two or three guys can set 10's of machines up then go home. They come in the next day to pallets full of parts that are then weighed and shipped. Screw machines are mechanical, no computer control. They remain in widespread use today.
I get that there is all this talk about automation, and most people see it as machines that are smart enough to perform tasks on their own, but even at the highest levels (robot welders for example), machines are not as automated as you believe. The vast majority of CNC machines use g-code for their control method, g-code was invented at MIT in the 1950's. Machine learning and AI not even remotely close to breaking into large scale manufacturing of any kind. You can return back to the self driving car example. Humans drive cars around with LIDAR and GPS systems, these systems map the roads. That data is then loaded into a self driving car. The self driving car then uses a vastly reduced number of sensors to correlate itself to the data sets in their system. Using this they can interpolate a driving path. They aren't generating data and then adjusting to it in any truly autonomous way with exception of using radar to monitor stoppages or blockages ahead. Think of it as they are just fancy trains, but instead of a physical track, they are guided by a virtual track. Either way, it does not compare to a humans ability to make decisions or be autonomous (or make mistakes). Will it replace jobs? Yes, but it's going to create jobs in that people are still going to have to troubleshoot and maintain them, refuel them, build them. Just the same as the cotton gin or CNC machinofacture, job roles will changes, but there's little evidence to support an instantaneous mass loss of jobs as a result.
For example, truck drivers are more in demand than they have ever been. Yet we believe we are on the precipice of replacing all Truck drivers with autonomous trucks. No we are not. It will take 20 years to replace the human driven fleet with autonomous trucks (based on annual sales of trucks), and that's just the long haul delivery market. It doesn't include local delivery, where having a person on board to unload the truck is a necessity like 95% of the time. But there isn't a single self driving truck being used daily for long or short haul, not even one. There's plenty of testing going on, but when do we start the clock on that 20 years turn over? It could be a while.
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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: christopera]
#26422044 - 01/07/20 09:42 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ok I can't disagree with any of that. I didn't realize people thought there was a chance of it being an overnight kind of thing. Obviously it will take decades, but in the scale of human existence even 50 years a drop in the bucket.
It's this kind of short-term thinking that got us in the messes we are in today. 'Somebody will figure it out, it wont be that bad, things will get better.' Now our planet is trying to kill us and the middle class is getting stomped the fuck out. Short term solutions to permanent problems have failed time and time again. We've known since the 60s that we were destroying the planet and what progress have we made?
It will be the same with AI. People in year 2100 will have a few thousand super elite and everyone else will be in essentially a ghetto. There will be terrorist attacks on automated factories and the people who make the attacks will look back at 2020 and say "They saw what was coming and they did it anyway."
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