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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26417723 - 01/05/20 03:03 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Boycott Amazon!  Those people are ass faces..real talk.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Amanita86]
    #26417733 - 01/05/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Well that explains everything :ancientaliens:


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
    #26417743 - 01/05/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I decided to clear a few things up.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26417772 - 01/05/20 03:27 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I honestly don’t get the problem with automation. It’s not like those machines/robots build themselves. They all need skilled maintenance and management. People have to manage production, marketing, optimization, etc.
Fuck factory jobs🤷🏻‍♂️




Do not actually have a problem with automation
just like to critique the concept and existence of leisure culture
and how many of us hope for a borderline utopian future where automation gives access to leisure culture for everyone
while automation currently further enables leisure culture for the upper class

wal-mart phases out cashier positions for self-checkouts
amazon uses automation assistance to speed up order picking
the result in both cases is that the companies get to reduce how much of their income goes to paying employees
because it reduces the total number of people on payroll, but does not increase the individual salary of workers to compensate
the money goes straight to the top because maintaining robots and computers costs less than employing humans
and the people raking it in live up the leisure culture the rest of us aspire to

maybe there is some ideal point in the future where that level exists
philisophically, Gandhi explored this concept a bit with "bread labour" https://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap40.htm
where he postulated that if everyone only worked the minimum needed for the bread to sustain us, that the leisure time it automatically would afford us would be liberating

there was another author that I recall reading in University
that challenged this idea with the concept that mass production of things like bread only exists because the upper class needs it to feed the workers
this is that kind of "let them eat cake" sentiment -- portraying the rich as not eating (at least the same quality of) bread or more general access to food variety in contrast to the peasants
and not actually having a personal investment in whether the lower class has the basic means to survive

but yeah, robotics have cut down how many people are on assembly line,
they have sped up the processes of marketing in such a manner as to reduce the overall number of lower level employees needed
and so forth
it's prolly a victim of slippery slope mentality
but it does seem to spiral into a place where there are more and more unskilled individuals in first world countries
who can't get a hold of vanishing entry-level positions, but also can't afford or are unsuited to pursuit of higher education or trade certification

looking at a list of the most frequently performed jobs in America
the top of the list is unskilled positions
Quote:

Retail Salespersons

This is the most common profession, and includes about 4.5 million salespeople across the country. It also ranks as the most common occupation in the majority of states. Various factors contribute to this popularity, such as few requirements or qualifications requirements, and low job competition. This type of job is equally common for both men and women.

Cashiers

There are about 3.3 million cashiers in the United States, which makes it the second most common job. There are few requirements or qualifications needed.

Office Clerks

Office clerks compose approximately 2.7 million employees across the United States. Clerical tasks can include filing, answering telephones, envelope stuffing and mailing, along with other administrative duties required within an office environment.

Food Preparation And Serving Workers

The food industry provides a significant employment opportunity for millions of Americans. There are about 2.6 million workers in this field. This type of work is often part-time and most common in urban areas. Additionally, about 2.2 million waiters and waitresses who also work in this industry.

Customer Service Representatives

Customer service representatives handle customer queries by telephones or mail. There are more than 2 million customer service representatives working for various companies and agencies across the United States.



https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-popular-professions-in-the-united-states.html

after that the list does get to something more relevant like Nursing
but consider how many people are going to potentially be displaced by the overlap found with the above positions being heavily automated due to associations with menial tasks
and reducing, but not yet eliminating, the human work staff required


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika]
    #26417797 - 01/05/20 03:47 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

In my professional experience here at least in spain we are developing bots for the stock market, so the future of AI i think it us more close to removing first stock brokers and market study jobs than removing clerks. Another think we do is risk and reward studies on big data for bank loans.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: living_failure]
    #26417840 - 01/05/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Automation needs to be done all at once and for it to really work we would need machines that could fix themselves and other machines..... Also sorry for the :derail: lmao


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26417848 - 01/05/20 04:19 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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spirit_shadow said::derail:




That happened in spain, 80 died and 144 were wounded.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: living_failure]
    #26417854 - 01/05/20 04:22 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

living_failure said:
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spirit_shadow said::derail:




That happened in spain, 80 died and 144 were wounded.



Daamn :/


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26417863 - 01/05/20 04:27 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Way to go, spirit_shadow.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26417965 - 01/05/20 05:17 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
I honestly don’t get the problem with automation. It’s not like those machines/robots build themselves. They all need skilled maintenance and management. People have to manage production, marketing, optimization, etc.
Fuck factory jobs🤷🏻‍♂️




Do not actually have a problem with automation
just like to critique the concept and existence of leisure culture
and how many of us hope for a borderline utopian future where automation gives access to leisure culture for everyone
while automation currently further enables leisure culture for the upper class

wal-mart phases out cashier positions for self-checkouts
amazon uses automation assistance to speed up order picking
the result in both cases is that the companies get to reduce how much of their income goes to paying employees
because it reduces the total number of people on payroll, but does not increase the individual salary of workers to compensate
the money goes straight to the top because maintaining robots and computers costs less than employing humans
and the people raking it in live up the leisure culture the rest of us aspire to

maybe there is some ideal point in the future where that level exists
philisophically, Gandhi explored this concept a bit with "bread labour" https://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap40.htm
where he postulated that if everyone only worked the minimum needed for the bread to sustain us, that the leisure time it automatically would afford us would be liberating

there was another author that I recall reading in University
that challenged this idea with the concept that mass production of things like bread only exists because the upper class needs it to feed the workers
this is that kind of "let them eat cake" sentiment -- portraying the rich as not eating (at least the same quality of) bread or more general access to food variety in contrast to the peasants
and not actually having a personal investment in whether the lower class has the basic means to survive

but yeah, robotics have cut down how many people are on assembly line,
they have sped up the processes of marketing in such a manner as to reduce the overall number of lower level employees needed
and so forth
it's prolly a victim of slippery slope mentality
but it does seem to spiral into a place where there are more and more unskilled individuals in first world countries
who can't get a hold of vanishing entry-level positions, but also can't afford or are unsuited to pursuit of higher education or trade certification

looking at a list of the most frequently performed jobs in America
the top of the list is unskilled positions
Quote:

Retail Salespersons

This is the most common profession, and includes about 4.5 million salespeople across the country. It also ranks as the most common occupation in the majority of states. Various factors contribute to this popularity, such as few requirements or qualifications requirements, and low job competition. This type of job is equally common for both men and women.

Cashiers

There are about 3.3 million cashiers in the United States, which makes it the second most common job. There are few requirements or qualifications needed.

Office Clerks

Office clerks compose approximately 2.7 million employees across the United States. Clerical tasks can include filing, answering telephones, envelope stuffing and mailing, along with other administrative duties required within an office environment.

Food Preparation And Serving Workers

The food industry provides a significant employment opportunity for millions of Americans. There are about 2.6 million workers in this field. This type of work is often part-time and most common in urban areas. Additionally, about 2.2 million waiters and waitresses who also work in this industry.

Customer Service Representatives

Customer service representatives handle customer queries by telephones or mail. There are more than 2 million customer service representatives working for various companies and agencies across the United States.



https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-popular-professions-in-the-united-states.html

after that the list does get to something more relevant like Nursing
but consider how many people are going to potentially be displaced by the overlap found with the above positions being heavily automated due to associations with menial tasks
and reducing, but not yet eliminating, the human work staff required




I don’t disagree with you, but I think we have to take a step back to see this issue clearly.
Sure, unskilled workers will suffer due to things like self-checkout, but that’s only going to affect the current workforce. As more unskilled jobs become automated, people entering the workforce will seek more education and training.
As for people who just can’t hack it at college (nothing wrong with that), trade schools are a great option. I’d trade my degree for masonry/welding skills in a heartbeat... And I don’t imagine automation of skilled labor in any foreseeable future - robots that climb your house to fix your roof or a leaky pipe are just sci-fi for now.
My point is, there are no long-term downsides.

Also, idk if I can agree with automation only benefiting the upper class. I think it’s a correlation, not a cause-effect situation. The wealth gap has been exponentially growing during the entire period of time that automation has existed. And, let’s be real, even if automation was outlawed, the top 5% would find ways to fuck the rest of us all the same.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26418033 - 01/05/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I agree with burke, dylan, and bloodsheen. If you just combine their three posts, that's pretty much how I feel about it. Both sides can and do take things too far. Extremism is stupid and annoying in any form, but it's always a tiny minority that seems bigger than it is.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26418076 - 01/05/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Definitely agree. I find myself encountering people who bitch abut the "PC Police" more than I find people that complain about PC. Granted I think there's a bit too much PC nowadays, I definitely don't think all advocation for political correctness is bad. There's a time and place for everything, whether that be an insensitive joke, or political correctness.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: deadwk]
    #26418090 - 01/05/20 06:15 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I worked a 13hr shift and just got home.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26418101 - 01/05/20 06:20 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Near Dylan said:
Way to go, spirit_shadow.




I almost died in a train accident, and was saved because I got to the station late and missed it. God has a greater purpose for me than burning to a crisp in the front carriage of a commuer train like those other losers.


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: koods]
    #26418105 - 01/05/20 06:23 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

Near Dylan said:
Way to go, spirit_shadow.




I almost died in a train accident, and was saved because I got to the station late and missed it. God has a greater purpose for me than burning to a crisp in the front carriage of a commuer train like those other losers.



Holy shit :chong:


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Citizen X] * 3
    #26418116 - 01/05/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I always think its funny that people who rage the most about university PC culture are the ones who are least likely to set foot on a university campus. Its one of those places you can tell dumb white trash scare stories about, because they aren't ever going to be students. The right wing media can say anything about Muslim crime Europe too because their viewers don't have passports. University campus? Germany? You might as well be talking about Narnia.

Its obscure corners of academia that go full retard on the PC thing, my advice is don't take Women's Studies. That shit has zero effect on your life as a student in engineering or business or really any mainstream discipline. I am more worried about sending my daughter to a place with a rape epidemic than I am about being forced to call some tranny "she". Who really cares about that shit? Oh yeah, bigots....


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: viraldrome]
    #26418431 - 01/05/20 09:23 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Ice9]
    #26418465 - 01/05/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

i didn’t have a Christmas tree this year and it was great. I slept until noon. I want to spread the no Christmas gospel


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: Ice9] * 4
    #26418560 - 01/05/20 11:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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The whole PC thing is like the war on christmas... I like it seems fun




It's incredibly entertaining. There's a constant parade of outrage orgies.

This week some black people are mad at Kylie Jenner, who has been accused of cultural appropriation after this photo of her braided hair. I guess you need to check your skin color before you choose a hair style? Every week there's fun drama from the outrage crowd. God bless their tiny pitiful lives.   

 


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Re: People complaining about the "PC Police" are just as annoying as them [Re: feldman114]
    #26418561 - 01/05/20 11:15 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Feldman that is some "let them eat cake" shit if I ever saw it. What does trade school have to do with there being a limited number of, for example, welding jobs? If we get to the point where trade school becomes the bare minimum to make a living wage (almost there already anyway), trade-based jobs become the new McDonald's jobs. Wages stagnate as competition for a select few jobs skyrockets, thus pushing the entire class system apart further from the middle.

Maybe you are right that a roofing robot is science fiction at the moment, but population continues to rise at an alarming rate. The days of "inventing the television creates television repair jobs" are over. We likely won't see it in our lifetime, but there really will be a time when robots repair other robots and by then our population will likely be out of control. Even if it's slow, the "living wage job creation to population growth" ratio will 100% only get worse from here.

There is one way out though. When raging forest fires burn half of our cities to the ground and the other half of cities are 10 feet under water, construction jobs will be absolutely everywhere. Can't build robots if nobody has a place to live


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