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Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years
    #26416060 - 01/04/20 01:36 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years
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A study of over 1 million urine drug tests from across the United States shows soaring rates of use of methamphetamines and fentanyl, often used together in potentially lethal ways.

The drug test results came primarily from clinics dealing with primary care, pain management or substance abuse disorders.

The results showed that between 2013 and 2019, urine samples testing positive for methamphetamine -- "meth" -- have skyrocketed sixfold, from about 1.4 percent of samples testing positive in 2013 to about 8.4 percent in 2019.

Similarly, the percentage of drug urine tests coming back positive for the highly potent -- and sometimes fatal -- opioid fentanyl have more than quadrupled since 2013, the study found. In 2013, just over 1 percent of the urine samples tested positive for fentanyl, but by 2019 that number was nearing 5 percent, said a team led by Dr. Eric Dawson, of Millennium Health in San Diego.

And, too often, fentanyl is being taken in combination with meth or other illicit drugs.

Between 2013 and 2019, the rate at which urine samples testing positive for fentanyl also tested positive for meth rose almost 14-fold, Dawson's group found, and by more than sixfold for cocaine and heroin.

All of this suggests that "methamphetamine-related overdose deaths [especially] may continue to increase," according to the study published online Jan. 3 in JAMA Network Open.

One doctor on the front lines of the epidemic of drug abuse and overdose said the statistics are cause for alarm.

"We are talking about serious and deadly risks -- patients who may stop breathing and suffer heart attacks, strokes or develop bleeding in the brain," said Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

Even when meth doesn't kill, it can easily ruin lives, he noted.

"Methamphetamine abuse can result in anxiety, insomnia, addiction, mood disturbances, psychosis and violent behavior," Glatter explained. The drug "may also trigger psychotic symptoms including hallucinations, paranoia and delusions. In some cases, psychotic symptoms can persist for months or even years after people have stopped using," he said.

Right now, data from the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse shows that "methamphetamine abuse is most prevalent in the western and midwestern regions of the U.S.," according to Glatter. "Nearly 70 percent of local law enforcement agencies from those areas of the U.S. indicate that methamphetamine is the drug that poses the greatest danger to its citizens."

Add fentanyl to the mix, and risks run even higher.

"Fentanyl is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, and consequently may lead to respiratory depression and death," Glatter said, and often "rescue" medications like naloxone won't help.

"Standard doses of naloxone to reverse the respiratory effects of fentanyl are typically ineffective," Glatter said, so "[only] intubation and mechanical ventilation may be lifesaving in the setting of fentanyl overdose."


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Ythan]
    #26416243 - 01/04/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I've seen how bad Meth is getting and seeing this article doesn't surprise me. I knew sooner or later an article was going to come out with some statistics showing a sharp rise in Meth. I suspect a Meth Crisis is going to replace the Opioid Crisis in the near future.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 2
    #26416501 - 01/04/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

The opioid crisis is already what replaced the previous meth crisis. It's a never ending game of musical chairs, with only 1 class of drugs ever finding itself without a seat at a time.

This is largely a result of all the spending to fight drug abuse being used towards criminal enforcement...there aren't enough dollars left over for addiction treatment, PSAs, public education etc. in order to navigate through more than 1 "crisis" at a time; so the same dollars just get reshuffled between whatever drugs are in the public eye at the moment and it turns into a game of whack-a-mole as the most effective strategies to combat drug abuse are the ones which receive the least support.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Ythan]
    #26418679 - 01/06/20 02:20 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I saw this coming from a mile away. My whole circle always took Adderall on the East Coast and meth wasn't that common. Having done both, it's clear that there is pretty little difference. As soon as pharmacies started running out of Adderall, I saw what was coming. I've been in Colombia for four months now, but there a noticeable shift in the culture. Normally gas stations empty at three AM had fidgety people tweaking out of their minds. While driving Uber Eats this paranoid dude came flying out of the bushes at me around 3AM one night.

Meth is going to take over in the coming few years.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Darwin23]
    #26418974 - 01/06/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I def don’t think there will be a meth “crisis” just due to how a good chunk of people just aren’t into meth after trying it whether it’s the hangover or whatever. however i do hear about it on this forum a whole lot and while in my area I don’t know of anyone using meth outside of very specific circles (people tend to want coke or molly if it’s a stimulant) and will turn down meth and prolly get weirded out if someone asks them if they wanna try it.

However, adderall use is definitely pretty damn prolific

I remember when candy flipping was all the rage. Now people are fent-spinning.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #26419765 - 01/06/20 06:05 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Well sir a Meth crisis has begun and is definitely taking over east coast i've seen a highrise in it the past 2 years and alot of the people that used to do opiates have moved on to meth, people who only did adderall moved on to meth, almost everyone i know has done meth or does it now and Meth psychosis that's a whole other animal. I've tried alot of drugs but this one is a wild horse that is almost impossible to break. Not really my cup of tea. Plus this drug can easily be produced at minimal cost.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: tonz0Funguy]
    #26419826 - 01/06/20 06:52 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Do these numbers include recreational ADHD  med users? I would assume so since amph is amph... right ... lots of black market ritalin n addie that is pressed illicitly along side fent laced counterfeit oxy and xan


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26421503 - 01/07/20 04:58 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Its an epidemic in Western Canada now too. Helping fuel a wave of property crime in my city


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: viraldrome]
    #26421518 - 01/07/20 05:04 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Its here also.
Cheap nasty and readily available.
Rural towns are deep in the crisis.

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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26427499 - 01/11/20 02:46 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Do these numbers include recreational ADHD  med users? I would assume so since amph is amph... right ... lots of black market ritalin n addie that is pressed illicitly along side fent laced counterfeit oxy and xan




No I think just meth shards. but those fake amp pills I’d say aren’t used by many. Those fake presses which seem to be covering all the rx usual suspects (adderall with meth, xanax with flualprazolam, oxy with fentanyl) are a scene of their own the way I look at it. Pharmacies are strict about most other drugs but adderall is still given out early and def not too stigmatized or hard to get a script. Hell. You can go to certain docs and tell them you really need to study, they just might be okay with it.

Most see adderall as fairly innocuous, and I asked a doc about this, he said something like “most people, they’ll take one dose and love it, but then they take the second one and start feeling anxious, and with the comedown most people don’t wanna go too far. So Most people stick to therapeutic doses”

That generally is My experience though I’ve heard of people taking like 100mg and taking their computer apart and putting it back together all night, but again, I’ve only seen this behavior with serious addictive behavior.

Im sure in rural areas meth is plentiful but it’s been that way a long time. I just think it’s kind of a niche drug and It has some strong side effects (mostly staying up for days and ensuing psychosis)

I think the real future epidemic involves benzos more than anything else, personally.

Amphetamines have what I call a built in fail-safe that stops most people from going overboard. I don’t think anyone’s gonna start taking fistfuls of (real) adderall either so, my 2 cents

But yeah also I wish the press people,stuck to just pressing molly into rolls. There’s a lot of money there without fraud medicine. Most people would prefer a roll on a night out in my area. It’s getting so that the more addictive rx drugs are the ones being counterfeit, and usually not with the same ingredient (ie seems like Xanax presses are less and less actual alprazolam, I wouldn’t trust those for a second)


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Fractal420]
    #26427531 - 01/11/20 04:01 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Dont do meth kids, stick to natural stimulants.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #26431003 - 01/13/20 10:24 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

like caffeine? That stuff just makes me jittery. Low doses of adderall do help me (I have adhd but for energy needs also). But like with caffeine, if I take more than needed, it gets to be too uncomfortable

I don’t see the difference between natural (cocaine, caff, cathinone) and synthetic stimulants unless you compare chem vs chem. Like for example, smoking shards of meth that are like 50-100mg+, that’s a lot, and more potent than oral, regular amphetamine (plus possible adulterants)

IMO, the best stims tend to be the classic phens, which are mostly synthetic. But they are simple substances, I don’t see any reason to fear them, just don’t binge them. Even I am “supposed” to take amp every day, but no way can I actually do that, I’d never get any good sleep and eventually I’d crash like hell

Might be good for fixing a fucked up sleep cycle though


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Fractal420]
    #26431011 - 01/13/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I don’t get why meth is so popular in the US, but you can’t find good old speed (amphetamine salt) powder anywhere.
It’s 10x cheaper and the comedown is way less brutal ime.
It also takes way more amphs to make you go off the rails, and you can’t smoke it so it’s harder to OD.

Have been off the uppers for a few years, but never enjoyed meth over others back in my tweaky days.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: feldman114]
    #26435529 - 01/15/20 07:25 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

There's is one big reason for the meth epidemic in the United States. 27 years ago teachers started working for the pharmaceutical industry, hundreds of thousands if not millions of children were forced to take ADHD medications that are essentially Pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine.

When these children reach the age of 18, most are dropped from their parents insurance policies and no longer have access to the highly addictive drug they had taken most of their lives.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
    #26435681 - 01/15/20 09:12 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah but those medications are a mix of different amphetamine salts, not methamphetamine.



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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: feldman114]
    #26435684 - 01/15/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yeah but those medications are a mix of different amphetamine salts, not methamphetamine.





Call it what you want, it's still pharmaceutical amphetamines.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
    #26435700 - 01/15/20 09:24 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I thought you were responding to my post about how meth is popular but amph isn’t around at all.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: feldman114]
    #26435751 - 01/15/20 09:57 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

That corn starch gets you skitzed out pretty good


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26436442 - 01/16/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Interesting article.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #26440005 - 01/18/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

There is a Methamphetamine prescription that has been around for a while to treat Narcolepsy. It's called Desoxyn. Either way, abuse of Methamphetamine is terrible. It's sad that a lot people on this forum use it.
It wasn't like that back in the day. Pretty much all stimulants cause brain damage and reduction of grey matter in the brain.

I abused a lot of things back in the day, and the repercussions caught up with me. Now I need to see a neurologist and I can't afford it.

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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26450682 - 01/24/20 07:46 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Do these numbers include recreational ADHD  med users? I would assume so since amph is amph... right ... lots of black market ritalin n addie that is pressed illicitly along side fent laced counterfeit oxy and xan




No.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: feldman114]
    #26450691 - 01/24/20 07:50 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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I don’t get why meth is so popular in the US, but you can’t find good old speed (amphetamine salt) powder anywhere.
It’s 10x cheaper and the comedown is way less brutal ime.
It also takes way more amphs to make you go off the rails, and you can’t smoke it so it’s harder to OD.

Have been off the uppers for a few years, but never enjoyed meth over others back in my tweaky days.




It's mostly a supply and demand issue.

That said, meth is dirt cheap here already and given how much more potent(and pure) it is compared to euro paste I doubt there is that much of a price difference.

Not to mention, meth is WAAAY more euphoric and moreish than amphetamine...as for the rest, you answered your own question "It also takes way more amphs to make you go off the rails, and you can’t smoke it so it’s harder to OD." For users and abusers this is a pro for meth, not a con. People want to smoke meth, people want to get spun.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26450724 - 01/24/20 08:08 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Pretty sure desoxyn only comes in 5mg tablets and mostly for obesity.

Either way it’s actually proven that people that have been on adderall (therapeutic doses) their whole lives are less likely to develop other addictions, and unlike with opioids, they don’t usually switch to meth. But if suddenly that’s what they had to do to treat their adhd, Then there might be a real meth epidemic.

Other than that, I’d be a lot more concerned about an upcoming benzo epidemic

And a big factor is how locked down the pharmacies keep the substance. With benzos you don’t even see real Xanax pills anymore without a script, which is a huge sign

In general tho especially IV substances (go figure) are being watched very strictly. Mostly benzos.

Nobody is pressing actual mixed amphetamine salts for the black market btw. It’s usually meth, not actually adderall


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Fractal420]
    #26453172 - 01/26/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Benzos just aren't that euphoric for most of the population...and for even more people any initial recreational value fades from tolerance far before they develop a dependence if used with any regularity.

Only a subset of the population(a set even smaller than the 10% who are likely get addicted to moreish drugs in the first place) who can/will take larger than therapeutic doses of benzos chronically and continue to find them enjoyable. Not enough to constitute a chrisis. And even fewer people know about/would be willing to knowingly consume RC benzos.

Sure kids like to get fucked up on them, and kids are extra likely to enjoy the relief from anxiety due to both their neural development and especially the environment they are in. But most people grow out of that.

There are a LOT of people who suffer from anxiety and use benzos for relief, but doctors are pretty scared/careful not to cut them off without a proper, long taper. And of those who are at some point prescribed benzos for anxiety, and wish to continue taking them chronically long term, very few are likely to seek extra legal means of acquisition other than buying extras off a friend/family member.

I mean, yeah, a lot of people like to pop a xanax now and again...but not large doses every day, not enough to make it a crisis. For it to be a "crisis" means many users need to be addicted/dependent, where they will take actions damaging to society to support said dependence. And it is as you have said, doctors are scaling back how often they will prescribe benzos to patients for more than a month...and black market benzos in pill form are hardly as widely sought after/available as other drugs and even when they are a far smaller number of people purchase them with the intent to take them every day without end.

I don't doubt that benzos reliance is about to take a turn in the public eye, because for many people this is their first or only experience with using a powerful mind altering substance...that carries significant risks and negatively impacts ones behavior, ability to remain in control, and includes noticeable and uncomfortable rebound effects...as a crutch to function. Especially for young people, who are more active and visible on the internet and more accustomed to being open and honest about topics like this(where in older generations topics like this were considered taboo to discuss in public).

But I wouldn't use the word "crisis" to describe benzo use/abuse...it just doesn't impact as many people on the same level as or include the same devastating affects that meth/heroin addiction does. Benzo users are largely able to remain functioning members of society for a long time...until they aren't, and when they aren't they hit rock botttom FAST and are forced to get help/reckon with their issues.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26453463 - 01/26/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Meth is popular in the United States for one reason and only one reason, any dumbass can show any other dumbass how to make it, materials are cheap and readily available to anyone and a lab isn't necessary.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
    #26461197 - 01/30/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Meth is popular in the United States for one reason and only one reason, any dumbass can show any other dumbass how to make it, materials are cheap and readily available to anyone and a lab isn't necessary.




That was true at one point, it is definitely what allowed it to maintain a presence since WWII..and the sharing of synth techniques is what fueled the meth epidemic around the turn of the century.

At that time, police were uncovering literally many thousands of meth labs.

But since new regulations surrounding pseudo-ephedrine distribution and sale and making it harder to get anyhydrous ammonia(by making it harder to buy and protecting supply chains and storage locations) were coupled with a concentrated effort to target users/potential users with PSAs, especially ones aimed at young people and those most at risk to being exposed to the drug...ones meant to paint meth as a "gross" drug, for losers, which would absolutely destroy you physically. They were quite effective.

Along with support efforts aimed at the areas stricken worse plus LE efforts to uncover meth labs became more focused and effective.

Both supply and demand tapered off...along with the vast majority of domestic meth production.

Now nearly all meth in the US is produced by cartel run super-labs in Mexico and South America.

Not only has the supply chain evolved since the last meth crisis, but its affecting different demographics across a large geographic and socioeconomic range. Yes, its still popular in rural areas but it is hardly limited to it. And now people know to keep it more under the radar, which makes it harder to stop, not only for law enforcement but to provide support to users as well.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26465642 - 02/02/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

anhydrous hasn't been hard for them to get here, they are constantly ripping off my farmer friends,  but I agree that the pseudo ephedrine crackdown has help, a little. it's now cheaper and easier to obtain cartel meth that is higher quality,  for now.


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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
    #26465777 - 02/02/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That shit is everywhere. Particularly the meth. Fml.

Seems to me that once the US starting growing most of its own cannabis... the cartels were mostly cut out of the weed game with their bricks. Who wants bricks of mold when fluffy US green overfloweth?

That's when I started noticing the change. It's been at least 10 years since I've seen brick weed. But thrice I've been offered meth from a pedestrian while sitting in my car at red lights here in my town in the past year.

The local news is full of fucked up meth fueled murders and much worse.

How do people not sense the demons and steer clear of that shit? I've never had even the slightest good vibe from a tweaker type.

Le sigh.

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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
    #26465908 - 02/02/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Doc9151 said:
anhydrous hasn't been hard for them to get here, they are constantly ripping off my farmer friends,  but I agree that the pseudo ephedrine crackdown has help, a little. it's now cheaper and easier to obtain cartel meth that is higher quality,  for now.




Of course there are still people making their own meth, they may even be able to produce enough to pay their car note or mobile home rental fees after feeding their own habits and those a a few friends around them.

But, a single counties meth needs are hardly being met by people sneaking onto farms and filling up propane tanks, let alone the countries...try to obtain a substantial amount(by theft or purchase) and you will meet far more roadblocks. It's simply just no longer possible for meth to be produced domestically on any near the scale it used to be. And with new supply chains comes new distribution networks which are delivering the drug to areas and peoples which do not match the stereotypical and outdated views regarding meth use and addiction.


Edited by Holybullshit (02/02/20 08:11 PM)


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