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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26416684 - 01/04/20 09:07 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Yes, Soleimani was a general in the Iranian military who fought against Western aggression and ISIS but he was also a general in the Iranian army who fought for Iranian imperial interests in the region.



What are the "Iranian imperial interests in the region"?  That would help me understand where you're coming from.

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Being pro-Western is not the only reason one might have opposed Soleimani. The statement itself goes on to list some specific reasons: "[Soleimani] has killed thousands of men, women, and children in the conflicts in Syria, Iraq and Yemen. He lead sieges for Assad and recruited Afghan refugees in Iran, many of them children, to die in the Syrian civil war".



You just explained how he's fought the West.  Seems he wanted to help prevent the next Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan...

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War criminal is a loaded term and I'm not too interested in defending their use of that word specifically, but do you really think "someone who defends his home country" is a more fair depiction of Soleimani? He was a member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps; and whereas the Iranian Army defends the nations borders and maintains internal order, according to the Iranian constitution the IRGC is intended to protect the country's Islamic republic political system.  Furthermore, the IRGC division he commanded was primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations.



So tell me more about these clandestine operations.  Sound to me like he was opposing the West.

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Suppression of political dissent within and advancement of Iranian imperialism abroad is a better description of his activities.

I'm really not sure why you have so much apparent difficulty in seeing any sort of nuance in these situations. Someone (like Soleimani) can fight against Western aggression and ISIS, while still pushing their own brand of aggression on the region too.



What is "their own brand of aggression"?  Again, this will help me see where you're coming from.

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I mean seriously, take a step back and consider this: you read a statement from self-identified anarchists which explicitly mentions opposition to both "US state terrorism" and "Western Imperialism" and your first thought was to accuse them of being pro-Western because they are glad an Iranian military leader who has fueled a lot of nasty conflicts and killed a lot of people, directly or indirectly, is now dead. That's what you did right now. You ignored the explicit statements to the contrary and claimed "it appears they support a pro-Western stance" because they didn't only criticize Western Imperialism in the ME.



Anyone can say they oppose imperialism.  I need you to explain what the means in this case.  I see it as opposing Western aggression, to prevent us from trying to take over yet another Middle Eastern country, but I'm likely missing something you haven't explained yet.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26416718 - 01/04/20 09:33 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Iran conducts its military operations in proxy wars.....like Yemen. The United States will continue to hate Iran to appease the Israelis and Saudis; the kingdom is fighting Iran in Yemen as well.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26416734 - 01/04/20 09:46 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Iran conducts its military operations in proxy wars.....like Yemen.



Perhaps, sure.  Just like the US supports Saudi aggression there.  But the international community is condemning Saudi Arabia for the humanitarian crisis in Yemen.

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The United States will continue to hate Iran to appease the Israelis and Saudis; the kingdom is fighting Iran in Yemen as well.



Agreed.  :thumbup:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26416846 - 01/04/20 11:19 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

What are the Iranian imperial interests in the region? Do I really need to spell this out? Iran is one of the major powers in the ME and their interests don't align with the other major powers present in the region (Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA), and so Iran's imperial interests lie in increasing their sphere of influence at the cost of the other regional powers. For example, Iran takes an active role in the Shia-Sunni power dynamic in surrounding nations, as well as an interest in preventing an independent Kurdistan from forming. This isn't conjecture - the end of 2019 saw a leak of Iranian spy cables that confirm Iran's imperialist presence in Iraq.

The ME is not a two sided conflict between the West and the rest, and as such I did not describe the actions of someone who fought the West. "We reiterate that the contemporary Middle East is shaped by wars, massacres, displacement, and famine because of religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand and the interference of international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other". The Islamic regime of Iran is one of these religious fanatics mentioned, and their fueling of, for example, Shia-Sunni conflicts across the ME goes beyond anything that could be described as fighting the West. From the Houthis of Yemen to the Hezbe Wahdat of Afghanistan, Iran has helped fuel conflict across the ME for decades.

"Tell me more about these clandestine operations"? In case you just skimmed it, give this article a read: Leaked Iranian Intelligence Reports Expose Tehran’s Vast Web of Influence in Iraq. Or just read up on the history of Iran's IRGC and Qud's Force because nothing I'm saying here is controversial - at least no more controversial than stating the CIA takes part in clandestine operations. I notice that you don't appear to question my choice to include "suppression of political dissent" as the other major function of the IRGC - am I correct in interpreting this as you conceding that point?

What is Iran's brand of aggression? Lately, Iran's brand of aggression is providing support to Shia militants across the ME and using them as proxy forces to increase Iranian hegemony in the region. In the case of Iraq and the leaked spy cables, we can also see how diplomatic and economic influence is exerted as well.

Yes, you are missing something - preventing Western aggression is not sufficient to oppose imperialism because Western aggression and imperialism are not synonymous terms. The statement was very explicit in that they consider "religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand" and "international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other" to be responsible for the contemporary ME. That their critique goes beyond opposition solely towards Western Imperialism doesn't seem to be reasonable grounds for accusations of pro-West disposition - especially when we take everything else said into consideration.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26417136 - 01/05/20 07:55 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I don't think so. Maybe sabre rattling or something minor that will require a minor response. They don't want a real war with the United States. Not that it would a good idea for us either.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #26417540 - 01/05/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

It seems we'll disagree on whether Iran is reacting to Western imperialism, or whether the United States is in the Middle East to help out the people there, rather than simply trying to gain control of their oil.

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What are the Iranian imperial interests in the region? Do I really need to spell this out? Iran is one of the major powers in the ME and their interests don't align with the other major powers present in the region (Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA), and so Iran's imperial interests lie in increasing their sphere of influence at the cost of the other regional powers. For example, Iran takes an active role in the Shia-Sunni power dynamic in surrounding nations



Do you mean they don't align with the US interests (that Wesley Clark told everyone about) in that we want to take over Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran?  How dare Iran for not wanting to be taken over?

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...as well as an interest in preventing an independent Kurdistan from forming. This isn't conjecture - the end of 2019 saw a leak of Iranian spy cables that confirm Iran's imperialist presence in Iraq.



Your article says this about Kurdistan:  "the intelligence ministry operatives portrayed in the documents appear patient, professional, and pragmatic. Their main tasks are to keep Iraq from... spinning off an independent Kurdistan that would threaten regional stability and Iranian territorial integrity."  Again, I'm not sure if it's wrong for Iran to be concerned about its territorial integrity?

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The ME is not a two sided conflict between the West and the rest, and as such I did not describe the actions of someone who fought the West. "We reiterate that the contemporary Middle East is shaped by wars, massacres, displacement, and famine because of religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand and the interference of international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other". The Islamic regime of Iran is one of these religious fanatics mentioned, and their fueling of, for example, Shia-Sunni conflicts across the ME goes beyond anything that could be described as fighting the West. From the Houthis of Yemen to the Hezbe Wahdat of Afghanistan, Iran has helped fuel conflict across the ME for decades.



The Houthis of Yemen are fighting Saudi with US backing and support, so this appears to be an anti-Western conflict.

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"Tell me more about these clandestine operations"? In case you just skimmed it, give this article a read: Leaked Iranian Intelligence Reports Expose Tehran’s Vast Web of Influence in Iraq. Or just read up on the history of Iran's IRGC and Qud's Force because nothing I'm saying here is controversial - at least no more controversial than stating the CIA takes part in clandestine operations.



No, it's not controversial that Iran is trying to stop US expansion in the Middle East.

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I notice that you don't appear to question my choice to include "suppression of political dissent" as the other major function of the IRGC - am I correct in interpreting this as you conceding that point?



I don't know enough to have a strong opinion.  I read an article that they suppressed post election dissent, which seems reasonable in a country that supports the vote of the people, rather than violent protesters (like Ukraine).

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What is Iran's brand of aggression? Lately, Iran's brand of aggression is providing support to Shia militants across the ME and using them as proxy forces to increase Iranian hegemony in the region. In the case of Iraq and the leaked spy cables, we can also see how diplomatic and economic influence is exerted as well.

Yes, you are missing something - preventing Western aggression is not sufficient to oppose imperialism because Western aggression and imperialism are not synonymous terms.



You don't see Western aggression as imperialism?

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The statement was very explicit in that they consider "religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand" and "international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other" to be responsible for the contemporary ME. That their critique goes beyond opposition solely towards Western Imperialism doesn't seem to be reasonable grounds for accusations of pro-West disposition - especially when we take everything else said into consideration.



That's great that anarchists use CIA buzzwords, but can they back it with evidence?


Look, I'm no fan of the Shia religion, and I really think it's a damn shame that so many in the Middle East view it as the best tool to fight US imperialistic aggression.  But until we end our expansionist policies, this will likely continue.  :frown:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26417567 - 01/05/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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It seems we'll disagree on whether Iran is reacting to Western imperialism, or whether the United States is in the Middle East to help out the people there, rather than simply trying to gain control of their oil.



Can you point to what I wrote that lead you to think that's the crux of the issue, because I feel like you are intentionally misrepresenting me now. I know that I specifically stressed that the situation in the ME is not a two sided conflict between the West and the rest in my last post.

So please, quote what parts of my post you interpret as stating 'either Iran or the USA must be blameless in conflict in the ME', instead of my point that both state actors hold blame for conflict in the ME. I know you like making signature bets, so I bet you can't find a single statement where I even imply the question is a dichotomy where either Iran is reacting to Western imperialism, or the United States is in the Middle East to help the people out. If you can provide that quote from this exchange, I'll add any statement to my signature until spring.

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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #26417570 - 01/05/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Not gonna read the thread but the Iraqi people officially want us the fuck out:



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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26417588 - 01/05/20 01:49 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I realize you want to believe this is more than just a fight against Western imperialism, but I've addressed your points explaining why it appears to be just that, and The Ecstatic's latest post here appears to show the same.

I realize you want to believe there's more to it than that, but I'm just not seeing the evidence, outside of people saying there's more to it than that (without evidence).  :shrug:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26417624 - 01/05/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

This whole thing seems to be spreading out of control, with ramifications including Iran's nuclear weapons program, any unified front to combat ISIS, our relationship with our allies, among others.

I have seen nothing in the press about the decision making process involved in this action. Was there agreement between Trump and top military officials?

Both Obama and George W Bush considered taking this guy out and decided the costs outweighed the benefits.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26417635 - 01/05/20 02:15 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I'd like to know the same.

I suspect a very high level US general told Trump we can take out a top Iranian 'terrorist' if we act quickly, and Trump hastily approved.  But that's just my guess.  I don't know.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26417682 - 01/05/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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What are the Iranian imperial interests in the region? Do I really need to spell this out? Iran is one of the major powers in the ME and their interests don't align with the other major powers present in the region (Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA), and so Iran's imperial interests lie in increasing their sphere of influence at the cost of the other regional powers. For example, Iran takes an active role in the Shia-Sunni power dynamic in surrounding nations



Do you mean they don't align with the US interests (that Wesley Clark told everyone about) in that we want to take over Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran?  How dare Iran for not wanting to be taken over?



Yes, I'm not making any comment on the ethics of the power players, just stating the reality. Iran exerting influence in Iraq in order to prevent the USA from exerting similar influence might have stronger ethical support than the USA exerting influence in Iraq for oil profits, but both situations are still examples of one country using its influence (military, diplomatic, or economic) to control the policy of another country - imperialism. Not to mention, as those spy cables reveal, preventing US takeover is not the only objective of the Iranian state.

I'll agree that the USA has no business at all in the region, whereas Iran does. With that taken into consideration, the power struggle between Iran and Saudi Arabia as the dominant Shia and Sunni powers in the region is a better example of Irans imperialist policy. Do you have any comment on this aspect of Iranian imperialism?



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...as well as an interest in preventing an independent Kurdistan from forming. This isn't conjecture - the end of 2019 saw a leak of Iranian spy cables that confirm Iran's imperialist presence in Iraq.



Your article says this about Kurdistan:  "the intelligence ministry operatives portrayed in the documents appear patient, professional, and pragmatic. Their main tasks are to keep Iraq from... spinning off an independent Kurdistan that would threaten regional stability and Iranian territorial integrity."  Again, I'm not sure if it's wrong for Iran to be concerned about its territorial integrity?



No there's nothing wrong about that; but having cause for concern over the formation of an independent Kurdistan within Iraq, and using intelligence ministry operatives to prevent an independent Kurdistan forming are two different things.

Imperialism doesn't only flow from the gun. Imperialism is the result of a more powerful nation forcing a weaker nation to adopt the stronger nations policy, and sometimes non-violent methods are more effective.

I'm glad you discovered that my link supports my claim regarding Iranian imperial interests in Iraq.




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The ME is not a two sided conflict between the West and the rest, and as such I did not describe the actions of someone who fought the West. "We reiterate that the contemporary Middle East is shaped by wars, massacres, displacement, and famine because of religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand and the interference of international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other". The Islamic regime of Iran is one of these religious fanatics mentioned, and their fueling of, for example, Shia-Sunni conflicts across the ME goes beyond anything that could be described as fighting the West. From the Houthis of Yemen to the Hezbe Wahdat of Afghanistan, Iran has helped fuel conflict across the ME for decades.



The Houthis of Yemen are fighting Saudi with US backing and support, so this appears to be an anti-Western conflict.



It's also a Shia-Sunni proxy war between Iran and SA, but you're correct the USA eventually got involved. The ME is full of messy conflicts and you're unlikely to ever find a clear cause of conflict. Any attempt to simplify the situation in the ME as arising from reaction to Western Imperialism would be wrong. It's fair to say that Western colonialism and imperialism has greatly exasperated the situation, but the ME  had imperial powers and tribal divisions before the USA even existed.

Do you have any comment on Iranian support for the Hezbe Wahdat in Afghanistan?





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"Tell me more about these clandestine operations"? In case you just skimmed it, give this article a read: Leaked Iranian Intelligence Reports Expose Tehran’s Vast Web of Influence in Iraq. Or just read up on the history of Iran's IRGC and Qud's Force because nothing I'm saying here is controversial - at least no more controversial than stating the CIA takes part in clandestine operations.



No, it's not controversial that Iran is trying to stop US expansion in the Middle East.



Okay so are you not going to acknowledge that I provided a link with multiple examples of Iranian clandestine operations in Iraq then?



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I notice that you don't appear to question my choice to include "suppression of political dissent" as the other major function of the IRGC - am I correct in interpreting this as you conceding that point?



I don't know enough to have a strong opinion.  I read an article that they suppressed post election dissent, which seems reasonable in a country that supports the vote of the people, rather than violent protesters (like Ukraine).



Here's some light reading to better inform you on the topic:
Anatomy Of Suppression In Iran: The Institutions & Tactics That Repeatedly Quash Dissent
The Rise of the Iranian Dictatorship
Regime supporters rally against Iran 'rioters' as Amnesty says at least 143 killed


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What is Iran's brand of aggression? Lately, Iran's brand of aggression is providing support to Shia militants across the ME and using them as proxy forces to increase Iranian hegemony in the region. In the case of Iraq and the leaked spy cables, we can also see how diplomatic and economic influence is exerted as well.

Yes, you are missing something - preventing Western aggression is not sufficient to oppose imperialism because Western aggression and imperialism are not synonymous terms.



You don't see Western aggression as imperialism?



Nope, definitely not what I said. I said they aren’t synonymous terms. Western aggression in the ME might qualify as imperialism, but imperialism can manifest in ways that don't qualify as Western aggression - like when it is perpetrated by the Iranian government. Preventing Western aggression alone is not sufficient to oppose imperialism.




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The statement was very explicit in that they consider "religious fanatics and terrorists on the one hand" and "international capitalists and backers (Eastern and Western Imperialism) on the other" to be responsible for the contemporary ME. That their critique goes beyond opposition solely towards Western Imperialism doesn't seem to be reasonable grounds for accusations of pro-West disposition - especially when we take everything else said into consideration.



That's great that anarchists use CIA buzzwords, but can they back it with evidence?



I didn't realize "international capitalists and bankers (Eastern and Western Imperialism)" was a CIA buzzword - or do you just use that weak retort when they use the words you don't like?

So you're asking what evidence they have to back up their claim that the Iranian regime consists of religious fanatics and terrorists? Well, which issue are you unaware of - the religious fanaticism or terrorism?




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Look, I'm no fan of the Shia religion, and I really think it's a damn shame that so many in the Middle East view it as the best tool to fight US imperialistic aggression.  But until we end our expansionist policies, this will likely continue.  :frown:



I agree, but that isn't reason for those in the region to focus on Western imperialism solely. That their critique goes beyond opposition solely towards Western Imperialism doesn't seem to be reasonable grounds for accusations of pro-West disposition - especially when we take everything else said into consideration.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26417690 - 01/05/20 02:50 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I realize you want to believe this is more than just a fight against Western imperialism, but I've addressed your points explaining why it appears to be just that, and The Ecstatic's latest post here appears to show the same.

I realize you want to believe there's more to it than that, but I'm just not seeing the evidence, outside of people saying there's more to it than that (without evidence).  :shrug:



So your claim is that Western imperialism is the sole cause of conflict in the ME?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26417712 - 01/05/20 02:59 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

This whole thing can be summarized as :
Talk shit get hit
Talk some more shit after you get hit trying to save face, get knocked the fuck out.


Maybe they'll go sit the fuck down somewhere in the aftermath.
UFOs/Ayyys and the like is pre-conditioning for the military tech they're going to roll out for the fireworks.

Life lesson : Don't run your fucking mouth or posture like you're a thug if you're not one nor have the ability to act on it. Real niggas do they wanna do, bitch niggas do what they can.

Obama was soft with them, gave them billions and turned a blind eye to their bullshit and they still kept acting a fool. Now that they got punched in the throat, they wanna rise up and be gangstas?


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If anything these stupid mother fuckers are being baited into an even bigger mistake. I'm sure the powers that be can't wait until they react by doing something stupid? Iraq wants us out? Cool, seems the attack was a success.. Back home our resources and people come. Let those idiots sort their own shit out. Can't even agree to not fight each other in their own countries or among their neighbors for generations and America is the bad guy?

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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26417719 - 01/05/20 03:01 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I realize you want to believe this is more than just a fight against Western imperialism, but I've addressed your points explaining why it appears to be just that, and The Ecstatic's latest post here appears to show the same.

I realize you want to believe there's more to it than that, but I'm just not seeing the evidence, outside of people saying there's more to it than that (without evidence).  :shrug:



So your claim is that Western imperialism is the sole cause of conflict in the ME?



Yeah, seems he's ignoring 1000s of years of un-evolved religious infighting.
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26417738 - 01/05/20 03:10 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Not sure people understand the level of spending and effort Iran puts into maintaining regional power, especially after the Iran Deal was axed.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26417842 - 01/05/20 04:13 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

What stupid shit were they doing to win a stupid prize?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26417869 - 01/05/20 04:31 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Your link: https://www.cair.com/breaking_cair_wa_assisting_iranian_americans_detained_u_s_border
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The Washington state chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-WA
Assisting more than 60 Iranians and Iranian-Americans of all ages who were detained at length and questioned at the Peace Arch Border Crossing in Blaine, Wash.

Their passports were confiscated and they were questioned about their political views and allegiances.





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CAIR published “Know Your Rights” materials online in English, Arabic, Somali, Urdu, Farsi, Bengali, and Bosnian. The multi-language civil rights materials may be printed out for personal use or for distribution at local events.





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A source at CBP reported that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has issued a national order to CBP to “report” and detain anyone with Iranian heritage entering the country who is deemed potentially suspicious or “adversarial,” regardless of citizenship status. CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance understanding of Islam, protect civil rights, promote justice, and empower American Muslims.






You're tracked 50 ways to Sunday. Once you're flagged by an automated system, upon entry, your questioned.
They were flagged for a reason.

What are you confused about here? This happens everyday. The policy rules for flagging someone are dynamic.
A big fiasco is occurring with Iran currently, so the dragnet policy was expanded.

End of story.


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