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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Tantrika]
    #26434923 - 01/15/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

It sort of reminds me of Illusions by Richard Bach.

I will Google Zen and potato's :thumbup:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26441615 - 01/19/20 12:20 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Is social media going too far with censorship?

Facebook just banned the following video of Soleimani, though it's clearly factually accurate.

https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/1215719997965623296



There are many similar stories right now, which claim the US Government is forcing such censorship.  What's happening to free speech in America?

Under US pressure, social media companies censor critical content and suspend Venezuelan, Iranian, and Syrian accounts
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As the US escalates its hybrid wars, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram are suspending accounts and censoring content that conflicts with Washington’s pro-war narrative.

Facebook, and its subsidiary Instagram, has announced that it will be censoring content that it deems to be supportive of Iran’s top General Qassem Soleimani...  The Big Tech giant said this censorship of users’ free speech will be done in order to comply with Washington’s suffocating sanctions on Iran.





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After US killing of Iran’s Soleimani, narrative control on social media is getting worse
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Just in the past several days, following the criminal US assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, Instagram and Facebook have been removing posts supportive of Soleimani, even profile photos honouring the general, allegedly to comply with US sanctions




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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441635 - 01/19/20 12:29 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I found the above stories all over progressive media outlets, but surprisingly, CNN also reported on this:

Instagram says it's removing posts supporting Soleimani to comply with US sanctions
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Instagram and its parent company Facebook are removing posts that voice support for slain Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani to comply with US sanctions, a Facebook spokesperson said in a statement to CNN Business Friday.




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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26441742 - 01/19/20 01:53 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

The national archives was caught photoshopping images of protest signs that were critical of trump.

National Archives exhibit blurs images critical of President Trump


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26441769 - 01/19/20 02:05 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Great post. I feel like there needs to be legislation on this, or some kind of nationalization of social media organizations. It's quite unsettling to see the sort of censorship we are seeing today, in the places where people go to discuss things. People don't have face to face conversations anymore. Not like we used to. We talk politics on forums and social media.

The policy for discussion should be the same everywhere as it is here, on the shroomery. We thankfully have people like ballz to moderate the discussion, but apparently so does facebook, and twitter, etc.

I'll never forget my post being removed for criticizing the president on facebook. It made my fucking stomach turn. I can be quite graphic in my criticism, and quite venomous, but I feel that is appropriate, in some context.

How do we redirect the ship, away from Fascism, and authoritarianism. I'm starting to think that it may not be an achievable goal. If Nazism had succeeded in it's endeavors, would the people of Germany have organically changed things on their own?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26441788 - 01/19/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Great post. I feel like there needs to be legislation on this, or some kind of nationalization of social media organizations.



That should be a great idea, but I don't want nationalized social media with the current establisment Government we have today; I think things would only get worse as it's Government who is driving Facebook censorship, according to the underlined sections I posted above (and Facebook).

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The policy for discussion should be the same everywhere as it is here, on the shroomery. We thankfully have people like ballz to moderate the discussion, but apparently so does facebook, and twitter, etc.



I wonder what would happen if the US Government threatened The Shroomery for violating the sanctions mentioned above.

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I'll never forget my post being removed for criticizing the president on facebook. It made my fucking stomach turn. I can be quite graphic in my criticism, and quite venomous, but I feel that is appropriate, in some context.

How do we redirect the ship, away from Fascism, and authoritarianism. I'm starting to think that it may not be an achievable goal. If Nazism had succeeded in it's endeavors, would the people of Germany have organically changed things on their own?



Trump said he wanted to drain the swamp, but failed.  I wonder if Bernie could do it?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441793 - 01/19/20 02:20 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Great post. I feel like there needs to be legislation on this, or some kind of nationalization of social media organizations.



That should be a great idea, but I don't want nationalized social media with the current establisment Government we have today; I think things would only get worse as it's Government who is driving Facebook censorship, according to the underlined sections I posted above (and Facebook).

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Bigbadwooof said:
The policy for discussion should be the same everywhere as it is here, on the shroomery. We thankfully have people like ballz to moderate the discussion, but apparently so does facebook, and twitter, etc.



I wonder what would happen if the US Government threatened The Shroomery for violating the sanctions mentioned above.

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I'll never forget my post being removed for criticizing the president on facebook. It made my fucking stomach turn. I can be quite graphic in my criticism, and quite venomous, but I feel that is appropriate, in some context.

How do we redirect the ship, away from Fascism, and authoritarianism. I'm starting to think that it may not be an achievable goal. If Nazism had succeeded in it's endeavors, would the people of Germany have organically changed things on their own?



Trump said he wanted to drain the swamp, but failed.  I wonder if Bernie could do it?





I suppose I fail to understand... The US Government is imposing sanctions on private companies for allowing free speech? What am I missing?

As far as Trump draining the swamp, Trump is the fucking swamp. He never tried to drain it lol... It's the soup in which he swims!

Edit: Would also like to add, I think free speech protections would apply, if social media was nationalized. Especially if that was the purpose of doing such a thing.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26441815 - 01/19/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

According to the CNN article, "As part of its compliance with US law, the Facebook spokesperson said the company removes accounts run by or on behalf of sanctioned people and organizations."

So I guess if you are saying anything critical of the US, it is assumed that you are doing so "on behalf of" Soleimani.  :shrug:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441843 - 01/19/20 03:06 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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According to the CNN article, "As part of its compliance with US law, the Facebook spokesperson said the company removes accounts run by or on behalf of sanctioned people and organizations."

So I guess if you are saying anything critical of the US, it is assumed that you are doing so "on behalf of" Soleimani.  :shrug:




Sounds to me like Facebook is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations, things like that. Sanctions seems like the wrong word to me, but what do I know. Soleimani has been labeled a terrorist, or soon-to-be-terrorist... or whatever.. He has committed thought crimes to say the least.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26441857 - 01/19/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I mean...Trumps tactics are lugenpress tactics did anyone think his administration wouldnt stoop so low as to straight up doctor and edit photos?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26441867 - 01/19/20 03:35 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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According to the CNN article, "As part of its compliance with US law, the Facebook spokesperson said the company removes accounts run by or on behalf of sanctioned people and organizations."

So I guess if you are saying anything critical of the US, it is assumed that you are doing so "on behalf of" Soleimani.  :shrug:




Sounds to me like Facebook is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations, things like that. Sanctions seems like the wrong word to me, but what do I know. Soleimani has been labeled a terrorist, or soon-to-be-terrorist... or whatever.. He has committed thought crimes to say the least.



Even if you are correct that Facebook "is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations", would you say the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441874 - 01/19/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
According to the CNN article, "As part of its compliance with US law, the Facebook spokesperson said the company removes accounts run by or on behalf of sanctioned people and organizations."

So I guess if you are saying anything critical of the US, it is assumed that you are doing so "on behalf of" Soleimani.  :shrug:




Sounds to me like Facebook is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations, things like that. Sanctions seems like the wrong word to me, but what do I know. Soleimani has been labeled a terrorist, or soon-to-be-terrorist... or whatever.. He has committed thought crimes to say the least.



Even if you are correct that Facebook "is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations", would you say the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?



Well the Iranian Quds forces were designated a terrorist organisation by the US.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441885 - 01/19/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
According to the CNN article, "As part of its compliance with US law, the Facebook spokesperson said the company removes accounts run by or on behalf of sanctioned people and organizations."

So I guess if you are saying anything critical of the US, it is assumed that you are doing so "on behalf of" Soleimani.  :shrug:




Sounds to me like Facebook is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations, things like that. Sanctions seems like the wrong word to me, but what do I know. Soleimani has been labeled a terrorist, or soon-to-be-terrorist... or whatever.. He has committed thought crimes to say the least.



Even if you are correct that Facebook "is legally obligated to remove the pages of terrorists and terrorist organizations", would you say the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?




Fair enough... No..

Facebook, like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc, is a propaganda arm of the government. People are starting to realize this more than ever.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26441889 - 01/19/20 03:58 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Well the Iranian Quds forces were designated a terrorist organisation by the US.



I understand that, but do you think the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?

I clicked on "In The Now"'s Facebook link, and the first hit I found was a video of a gay guy coming out to his family.  :shrug:


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26441891 - 01/19/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Facebook, like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc, is a propaganda arm of the government. People are starting to realize this more than ever.



I wonder what percentage of us do realize that?


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441922 - 01/19/20 04:16 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I wonder when when just start turning off the internet like Russia, Venezuela or India


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441956 - 01/19/20 04:35 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Well the Iranian Quds forces were designated a terrorist organisation by the US.



I understand that, but do you think the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?

I clicked on "In The Now"'s Facebook link, and the first hit I found was a video of a gay guy coming out to his family.  :shrug:



No I don't, but when the gubment labels someone a terrorist and you make a video that goes against their narrative...Its shitty but hey, all of Dumpleforeskins Proles eat the shit up...


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26441958 - 01/19/20 04:36 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Well the Iranian Quds forces were designated a terrorist organisation by the US.



I understand that, but do you think the 3 minute video I posted above is from a terrorist or terrorist organization?

I clicked on "In The Now"'s Facebook link, and the first hit I found was a video of a gay guy coming out to his family.  :shrug:




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Fair enough... No..




'No' was my response to that question.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26441966 - 01/19/20 04:39 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Facebook, like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc, is a propaganda arm of the government. People are starting to realize this more than ever.



I wonder what percentage of us do realize that?




Well, we've got a president running around crying 'fake news'. That at least gets people thinking about the credibility of news. Anyone who has much interest in politics is sure to see loads of examples of the news lying to the people, left or right.

It would be interesting to see if there has been any polling on the people's faith in the news media. I'm sure something has been done. Will look into that.


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Re: US kills Iran’s most powerful general in Baghdad airstrike [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26442049 - 01/19/20 05:33 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Always thought this is a tremendous opportunity for a new breed of news organizations that would prize themselves on accuracy. Of course, they would not be able to *alarm bells* Fox Breaking News near as quick as others. But having a MSM source in which one doesn't need to wade chest deep in shit to reach a personal conclusion would be benefical for all in the political spectrum.


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