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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26414209 - 01/03/20 11:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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also its called the NEWs
if theyre talking about the same thing for 3 hours theres an agenda
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: cannabinated]
#26414307 - 01/03/20 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If Iran wants to escalate this they could send a general to Iraq to set up militias as Iranian proxies to attack the American embassy and....oop, mah bad.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26414390 - 01/03/20 01:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lowbrow said: If Iran wants to escalate this they could send a general to Iraq to set up militias as Iranian proxies to attack the American embassy and....oop, mah bad.
Iran ain't going to do shit with Trump around.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26414416 - 01/03/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lowbrow said: If Iran wants to escalate this they could send a general to Iraq to set up militias as Iranian proxies to attack the American embassy and....oop, mah bad.
The Revolutionary Guard training Shiite militias isn't an escalation. That's pretty much business as usual. It's not like they're the only ones training irregular forces and trying to figure out how to capture the embassy of the rival hegemon in Western Asia. That's kind of what special forces units do.
Somebody who's more familiar with the ROE should feel free to comment, but nobody's going to Iraq to try and play patty-cake.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: qman]
#26414457 - 01/03/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said:
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lowbrow said: If Iran wants to escalate this they could send a general to Iraq to set up militias as Iranian proxies to attack the American embassy and....oop, mah bad.
Iran ain't going to do shit with Trump around.
Well we already know that isn’t true.
His weakness is legendary.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: koods] 4
#26414485 - 01/03/20 02:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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TDS.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: koods] 10
#26414488 - 01/03/20 02:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trump lacks tact, but this says more about our relationship with the Middle East as a society than it does about his decision making in calling the kill shot. We are in conflict with Iran and have been for the entirety of our stay in the region. One might say that Trump took us out of the negotiating room with the nuclear treaty withdrawl, but Iran was still supporting proxy attacks on American personnel and allied assets even while the nuclear deal was in effect and working as intended.
The decision to call the kill was rash, but not meaningless. I see it more like a rubber band bound to snap as entangled alliances and perceived influences are threatened by competing interests. The general killed is not a victim though, he was a player in a power game as any of the US or allied powers in the region are.
Congress has the power to financially end the occupation of territories in the Middle East and watch our allies burn, but no one is ready for that conversation and the power vacuum will be fierce when it eventually takes place. Until they are ready to take that step and turn a blind eye to regional competitors sieging and annexing long held territories, regional powers like Iran are in conflict with us and their proxy commanders are not off the target list if they financially support, train and order attacks on US and allied personnel and territory.
What I'm trying to say is that this is not as political of an issue as it's going to be played out to be in the coming days and weeks, irregardless of my own disagreements with the Trump administration on other issues. It's very much a cultural one in regards to our relationship with the Middle East and powers such as Iran, and neither the democratic or republican parties are free of complacency or support in the fluctuations of conflict escalation taking place, I don't quite buy that.
Iran is a defensive powerhouse and it's tactically impossible to occupy it as a territory, it would require a world war scale effort and no one is willing to commit to that. They can and will continue to operate in Iraq and Syria and harass other regional adversaries through proxy attacks, and they can continue developing defensive and offensive weapons systems as negotiating tools. Until we are ready as both a nation and international body to remove ourselves from the power dynamic in the region and allow allies to fail, we will continue to have skirmishes with Iran long into the future.
Remember how quickly world powers - and their civilian constituents - were ready to support operations in Syria despite being entrenched for decades in the region already, and that is core to why we are in conflict generally. I don't have a strong opinion on right or wrong in our involvement, anytime the power balance in the US changes we continue to support regional influence. I don't buy this as a political issue for that reason though. Stuff like this is bound to happen eventually when you play with fire, and neither political party is willing to stop playing, they are only concerned with who holds the lighter.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: koods] 1
#26414492 - 01/03/20 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said:
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lowbrow said: If Iran wants to escalate this they could send a general to Iraq to set up militias as Iranian proxies to attack the American embassy and....oop, mah bad.
Iran ain't going to do shit with Trump around.
Well we already know that isn’t true.
His weakness is legendary.
so weak that he sent that scum bag to his 69 virgins or whatever
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Herbologist]
#26414513 - 01/03/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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“To me a soldier overseas shooting at kids and their mom Is just like a crazy mother fucker strapped to a bomb” - Immortal Technique
It’s probably my foil hat talking, but the first thing I thought after seeing the story was “Trump took a page out of Putin’s book”. Nothing exites a nationalist base like a war. Putin is about to prove that for the third time in Belarus. Also a good way to eclipse certain...other...stories in the news right now.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: feldman114]
#26414535 - 01/03/20 02:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's just put Trump and his degenerate family in a crate and send them all to Iran and call it even! Win Win!!!
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#26414546 - 01/03/20 03:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Trump lacks tact, but this says more about our relationship with the Middle East as a society than it does about his decision making in calling the kill shot. We are in conflict with Iran and have been for the entirety of our stay in the region. One might say that Trump took us out of the negotiating room with the nuclear treaty withdrawl, but Iran was still supporting proxy attacks on American personnel and allied assets even while the nuclear deal was in effect and working as intended.
The decision to call the kill was rash, but not meaningless. I see it more like a rubber band bound to snap as entangled alliances and perceived influences are threatened by competing interests. The general killed is not a victim though, he was a player in a power game as any of the US or allied powers in the region are.
Congress has the power to financially end the occupation of territories in the Middle East and watch our allies burn, but no one is ready for that conversation and the power vacuum will be fierce when it eventually takes place. Until they are ready to take that step and turn a blind eye to regional competitors sieging and annexing long held territories, regional powers like Iran are in conflict with us and their proxy commanders are not off the target list if they financially support, train and order attacks on US and allied personnel and territory.
What I'm trying to say is that this is not as political of an issue as it's going to be played out to be in the coming days and weeks, irregardless of my own disagreements with the Trump administration on other issues. It's very much a cultural one in regards to our relationship with the Middle East and powers such as Iran, and neither the democratic or republican parties are free of complacency or support in the fluctuations of conflict escalation taking place, I don't quite buy that.
Iran is a defensive powerhouse and it's tactically impossible to occupy it as a territory, it would require a world war scale effort and no one is willing to commit to that. They can and will continue to operate in Iraq and Syria and harass other regional adversaries through proxy attacks, and they can continue developing defensive and offensive weapons systems as negotiating tools. Until we are ready as both a nation and international body to remove ourselves from the power dynamic in the region and allow allies to fail, we will continue to have skirmishes with Iran long into the future.
Remember how quickly world powers - and their civilian constituents - were ready to support operations in Syria despite being entrenched for decades in the region already, and that is core to why we are in conflict generally. I don't have a strong opinion on right or wrong in our involvement, anytime the power balance in the US changes we continue to support regional influence. I don't buy this as a political issue for that reason though. Stuff like this is bound to happen eventually when you play with fire, and neither political party is willing to stop playing, they are only concerned with who holds the lighter.
Great, great post.
Well thought out, eloquently stated, and without the typical emotionally driven knee jerk reaction from the majority of people when discussing politics.
+1 Patrick
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Lophosaurus] 2
#26414549 - 01/03/20 03:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Let's just put Trump and his degenerate family in a crate and send them all to Iran and call it even! Win Win!!!
You could put every current and former US politician in a plane and fly them over there for military target practise and that would still not satiate the region. The millions of lives bloodied on the sands by direct action and US political meddling are a burden the people there carry heavily. Generations of war and hostility are not so easily forgotten.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Northerner] 5
#26414561 - 01/03/20 03:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just wanna add that Iran is a really fucking cool place and it's people are 99% good generous kind people who even have dance raves and do cool shit in the desert, and it's messed up to only think of it as a place of war and corruption
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: trees] 9
#26414570 - 01/03/20 03:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: trees] 2
#26414619 - 01/03/20 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: Just wanna add that Iran is a really fucking cool place and it's people are 99% good generous kind people who even have dance raves and do cool shit in the desert, and it's messed up to only think of it as a place of war and corruption
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I often think about this. It's rarely the 'people' who wants wars unless conditioned to do so. As such we should send the leaders to fight the leaders, with knives and forks and trash can lids for sheilds. We can all watch and when it's over we can elect new leaders and legalize weed and generally just chill.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Kimble]
#26414875 - 01/03/20 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Additional airstrike this evening: North of Baghdad. Five people killed. They were backed by Iran. All high ranking.
Iran says the US hit a medical unit and that no ranking members were among the dead.
Which side do you believe?
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Patlal]
#26414930 - 01/03/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Names?
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Kimble] 1
#26414958 - 01/03/20 06:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: Just wanna add that Iran is a really fucking cool place and it's people are 99% good generous kind people who even have dance raves and do cool shit in the desert, and it's messed up to only think of it as a place of war and corruption
✌️☺️👍
I often think about this. It's rarely the 'people' who wants wars unless conditioned to do so. As such we should send the leaders to fight the leaders, with knives and forks and trash can lids for sheilds. We can all watch and when it's over we can elect new leaders and legalize weed and generally just chill.
yeah totally sounds like a cool place to have a rave dude... nearly all rave music is illegal and theyll beat the shit out of you and throw you in prison and drug possession will get you the death penality
According to Iran's Anti-Narcotics Law, possession of narcotics is a felony punishable by death or life imprisonment if:
The person is found in possession of over 30 grams (1.1 ounce) of heroin, morphine, cocaine, LSD, methamphetamine, or similar drugs... The person is found in possession of over 5000 grams/5 kilograms (11.02 lbs) of opium, hasish, or cannabis... The person is found in possession of more than five kilograms of prescription or industrial drugs for illegal use, or is a repeat offender possessing 5-20 kilograms of such drugs. The person is a repeat offender convicted with growing opium poppies for drug use, or cannabis. The person is convicted of armed smuggling of any illegal narcotics, committing an armed crime while in possession of drugs, or being a member or head of a narcotics trafficking gang.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: 1uptoadstool]
#26415021 - 01/03/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: Just wanna add that Iran is a really fucking cool place and it's people are 99% good generous kind people who even have dance raves and do cool shit in the desert, and it's messed up to only think of it as a place of war and corruption
✌️☺️👍
I often think about this. It's rarely the 'people' who wants wars unless conditioned to do so. As such we should send the leaders to fight the leaders, with knives and forks and trash can lids for sheilds. We can all watch and when it's over we can elect new leaders and legalize weed and generally just chill.
yeah totally sounds like a cool place to have a rave dude... nearly all rave music is illegal and theyll beat the shit out of you and throw you in prison and drug possession will get you the death penality
According to Iran's Anti-Narcotics Law, possession of narcotics is a felony punishable by death or life imprisonment if:
The person is found in possession of over 30 grams (1.1 ounce) of heroin, morphine, cocaine, LSD, methamphetamine, or similar drugs... The person is found in possession of over 5000 grams/5 kilograms (11.02 lbs) of opium, hasish, or cannabis... The person is found in possession of more than five kilograms of prescription or industrial drugs for illegal use, or is a repeat offender possessing 5-20 kilograms of such drugs. The person is a repeat offender convicted with growing opium poppies for drug use, or cannabis. The person is convicted of armed smuggling of any illegal narcotics, committing an armed crime while in possession of drugs, or being a member or head of a narcotics trafficking gang.
Yeah I remember an Anthony Bourdain episode where he went to Iran for the first time. Idk, back in 2013 or 14'. On CNN's Parts Unknown.
He interviewed an Iranian born married couple -- both Iranian citizens at the time (I think) but also former American citizens who were journalists for the...I wanna say Washington Post. Anyways they were back in Iran to actually support their home country. They were actually on camera speaking relatively positive about the country -- but also made the mistake of openly criticizing its faults...and both were imprisoned after the taping of the episode.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦♂️ [Re: Patlal]
#26415027 - 01/03/20 07:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Additional airstrike this evening: North of Baghdad. Five people killed. They were backed by Iran. All high ranking.
Iran says the US hit a medical unit and that no ranking members were among the dead.
Which side do you believe?
Not trump.
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