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Can anyone identify this?
    #26413397 - 01/02/20 10:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys here's a tub that has this weird matting or something not sure what it is but doesn't really look like contam..





Also check these tubs out looking good ?





Last pics.. are these ready for fruiting? 9 days old..





These are all 6qt shoeboxes sitting in an area that is always around 70% ambient RH and 70F. When fruited I usually mist those they kinda look like they need it the surface looks dry but it sure is humid in the tub.. then I just put the lid on loosely for some Fae.

I suck at identifying whether or not these tubs need misting so I have been lightly misting them about once a day (the fruited  ones) let me know if you think I should hold off on the misting

Thanks team.

Ps: some of these tubs are 1qt spawn to 2qt sub.. some are 1 to 3... Alot of them are also 1/2 qt spawn to 2qt sub.. maybe having a tub with only half qt sub isn't enough


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Levster]
    #26413442 - 01/02/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Last pics.. are these ready for fruiting? 9 days old..







Is the substrate or it has some black contaminant?

I'm not 100% sure tho, maybe I'm not seeing correct, but those three tubs look contaminated at some point. Maybe the second not, but in the first it's full of a grey thingy that doesn't looks like good mycelium at all to me, more like cobweb, and the third has another black thing that doesn't looks good either.

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Ps: some of these tubs are 1qt spawn to 2qt sub.. some are 1 to 3... Alot of them are also 1/2 qt spawn to 2qt sub.. maybe having a tub with only half qt sub isn't enough



0.5:4, 1:2, 1:3 ratios don't seem good to me at all, I would do 1:1.5 to be sure. Maybe that big ratio made space for mold to grow.

Best of the lucks! Keep us updated!


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Krip]
    #26413467 - 01/02/20 11:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


It looks like there might have been some bad spawn grains or something. It's fruiting though so I'd just let it fruit unless you see something more worrisome.


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Kizzle]
    #26413805 - 01/03/20 08:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Heya. Yeah I don't feel it's cobweb either so I'm going to let it fruit for now.. smells fine too. As for the tubs that aren't fruiting yet, those aren't black spots they are just spots were condensation has dropped off to the lid..

But I should add that the first pic is froma unknown strain from MS that grew out decently on agar so I wanted to grow it out to see what it was. It was a 3 year old syringe so I wasn't expecting anything tbh

But I want to say that I am mainly wondering if those other tubs are ready for fruiting? And do they need misting as soon as they're in fruiting or wait till they consolidate a bit more?

Edit: the black stuff you see on the colonized tub is just moist coir on the side of the tub nothing to worry about.

And to reiterate the spawn ratio you suggest a 1:1.5 at most? That seems so excessive when there are major portobello farmers who use like a handful of colonized grain for entire beds.. but I guess that's an entirely different species


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Levster]
    #26414396 - 01/03/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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But I want to say that I am mainly wondering if those other tubs are ready for fruiting? And do they need misting as soon as they're in fruiting or wait till they consolidate a bit more?



The first ones seem ready to me, maybe you could wait to fruit the last one a little more, but it's up to you. While they're fruiting, you should mist when you see little condensation, to keep humidity. Here's a thread that will help you with surface conditions.

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And to reiterate the spawn ratio you suggest a 1:1.5 at most? That seems so excessive when there are major portobello farmers who use like a handful of colonized grain for entire beds.. but I guess that's an entirely different species



I might have been a little extremist, you can use 1:3 or 1:4 but you are more prone to contaminations that way. I've seen people here using 1:1.5 or 1:2 as fine ratios, I wouldn't go beyond 1:2 personally.
What I've seen with portobello farmers is that they usually don't let the mycelium colonize entirely the substrate, maybe that time gap you would let for the mycelium to colonize substrate with 1:4 ratio is definitory whether you spot some contamination or not.


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Krip]
    #26414481 - 01/03/20 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the link! So yeah I will log all these yields and base my next move off that. I am noticing the colonization does look alot healthier and fuller with a smaller ratio like 1:2 (duh!)

These aren't mono tubs though and I dunno how that guy kept his so juicy through colonization, mine look dry as fuck before I even remove the lid. So that's why I asked if I should give em a mist when I put them into fruiting. But the thing with that I was worried was as soon as they are in fruiting it's still a delicate environment and if I spray it too soon with some foreign matter (water) they'll contaminate, but they look so thirsty so I dunno.. 😅


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Levster]
    #26414504 - 01/03/20 02:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Assuming that when you start fructification you have a very colonized substrate, there's no problem in spraying it with water (don't throw toilet water in pls) as mycelium is strong enough to resist any contaminants. :wink:


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Krip]
    #26414506 - 01/03/20 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I might have been a little extremist, you can use 1:3 or 1:4 but you are more prone to contaminations that way. I've seen people here using 1:1.5 or 1:2 as fine ratios, I wouldn't go beyond 1:2 personally.




Everyone grows differently, which is part of the beauty of this hobby. I'm on the other end of the spectrum; i only do 1:2 in shoeboxes, otherwise it's at most 1:4. RogerRabbit has stated that even 1:10 is doable without any noticeable issues. You are absolutely right though, the higher ratios (1:1-1:2) colonize faster which allow some forgiveness if your spawn isn't perfect. Lower ratios (1:4-1:10) will take a little longer to colonize, and therefore give more time for potential contams to take hold. If your spawn is perfect, then it don't matta!


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26415058 - 01/03/20 07:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)



So I'd like to add that this is about as colonized I go before fruiting (if I am being way too impatient and should truly leave them until they look like this then tell me)



(This tub is fruiting for like a week now

Otherwise I will fruit these too and give them some mist

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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26415212 - 01/03/20 09:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So I'd like to add that this is about as colonized I go before fruiting (if I am being way too impatient and should truly leave them until they look like this then tell me)



You could wait a little more for that one, as you could fruit it right now, it's up to you. Maybe it would be more beneficial for the mycelium if you'd let it colonize further, but it's okay to fruit!


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I might have been a little extremist, you can use 1:3 or 1:4 but you are more prone to contaminations that way. I've seen people here using 1:1.5 or 1:2 as fine ratios, I wouldn't go beyond 1:2 personally.




Everyone grows differently, which is part of the beauty of this hobby. I'm on the other end of the spectrum; i only do 1:2 in shoeboxes, otherwise it's at most 1:4. RogerRabbit has stated that even 1:10 is doable without any noticeable issues. You are absolutely right though, the higher ratios (1:1-1:2) colonize faster which allow some forgiveness if your spawn isn't perfect. Lower ratios (1:4-1:10) will take a little longer to colonize, and therefore give more time for potential contams to take hold. If your spawn is perfect, then it don't matta!



I totally agree with you!


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Krip]
    #26416000 - 01/04/20 12:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I had one last concern.. in regards to the misting and evaporation cycle.. what is a appropriate amount of time after misting that good evaporation happens? Say I mist at 10am and by 6pm the glistening has dissipated is that a good span of time for the evaporation to occur or was it too slow/fast?

Then I can adjust my FAE to nail it better.


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Re: Can anyone identify this? [Re: Levster]
    #26416020 - 01/04/20 01:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As far as evaporation time my understanding is that it doesn’t matter as long as it’s happening and conditions are staying good. The more the better if everything else is dialed in.

If you’re having problems with them being dry try adding a little more water to the coir next time, that was a huge factor for me.

The tubs you’re asking about fruiting look like a couple I had made that were a combination of too dry coir and bacterial spawn, I ended up getting only side and bottom pins. I’m not saying yours is the same but right now it looks identical.

Here’s one I flipped and put in a humidity chamber.


Still got a decent yield and they were potent but took forever to grow.


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