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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27262812 - 03/21/21 05:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im playing with Coir/Peat/HWFP as a bulk sub for some of the weird crosses I am working on, and thought.... Maybe Nats will like a little wood to chew on. I know it isn't preferred for Cubes, but Nats are not really a cube are they?
40/40/20 is my current mix. I will post if it is a complete failure just so we know. The down side is I only have 1 fully colonized Nat jar at the moment so I can't run a control.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27262829 - 03/21/21 06:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are definitely manure lovers. I've run them on different substrates and the best looking fruit came from a mix of straw manure with no grains. Ive also put them on just straw. They colonized it but didn't fruit. I think the weird growth we see it's becouse of the grains. I've only used wheat so far. I wonder if other tips of grains might work better. Something like popcorn or millett.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27262843 - 03/21/21 06:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have clean clone growth from the trays i posted a few weeks ago and the most recent flush. I was gonna do a few lc's, so when that shit is ready I'll try a lc to manure/straw sub like how asura does his pans.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27262854 - 03/21/21 07:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have them on Black Oil Sunflower Seeds and they are very Tomatose.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27262884 - 03/21/21 07:26 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: They are definitely manure lovers. I've run them on different substrates and the best looking fruit came from a mix of straw manure with no grains. Ive also put them on just straw. They colonized it but didn't fruit. I think the weird growth we see it's becouse of the grains. I've only used wheat so far. I wonder if other tips of grains might work better. Something like popcorn or millett.
Have you tried a grain/sub ratio of like 1:10 or anything way smaller to see what it does? Maybe it just needs more room to spread out before fruiting to reduce overlay? My agar jars have the shit literally growing through the air and clinging to the lid it’s unbelievable. Maybe it needs low nutes.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27262886 - 03/21/21 07:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: They are definitely manure lovers. I've run them on different substrates and the best looking fruit came from a mix of straw manure with no grains. Ive also put them on just straw. They colonized it but didn't fruit. I think the weird growth we see it's becouse of the grains. I've only used wheat so far. I wonder if other tips of grains might work better. Something like popcorn or millett.
I want to see someone pull off absolutely amazing grows with cubes on manure/straw/coir before taking their assessments at face value of what nats find to be the best substrate. Lots of people say cubes love coir or manure based on their experiences being better at one or the other. Not that the cubes care but the individual tends to believe their experiences as devine fact.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bodhisatta]
#27262943 - 03/21/21 08:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't have the time to properly look at this species but from what I've seen they seem to respond best to having manure in the sub. I did two runs. One with straw/manure/rgs/ground millet/verm in pf tek and one run the same thing but without manure. The manure based one produced much more fruit and pinned much more quickly. Pinned in 3 days and harvested in 8 days from casing. Are they really double the potency of cubes?
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Oh wow those are awesome man never seen cakes before.
Mine are extremely potent but have also taken a month minimum to pin. For me it’s not that they’re crazy strong it’s that the trip has a different quality to it that’s so nice.
Finally about to spawn some new ones from spore. Looks totally opposite from my old ones.
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Ive ran both and you guys tell me what you think.
Manure/Straw


C&V

I have another tray pinning right now thats CV so I'll grab those pics when they're ready
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27263011 - 03/21/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The manure makes them “meaty” 😋
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27263036 - 03/21/21 10:02 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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They both look great Myc! Do you have a side shot of the c/v? Did they both pin in the same time frame?
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Turns out i do, they were just in my lagm folder and not the natalensis one.

This was a larger ratio, i think 1:3 and thats why it's a few days behind. This is why i say I'm "the furthest thing from a scientist" in my write up lol
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27263101 - 03/21/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Oh wow those are awesome man never seen cakes before.
Mine are extremely potent but have also taken a month minimum to pin. For me it’s not that they’re crazy strong it’s that the trip has a different quality to it that’s so nice.
Finally about to spawn some new ones from spore. Looks totally opposite from my old ones.

Thats what I'm talking about. Nice soft tomatose growth and not hard on the eyes. All the subsequent plates are heavy Rhizo, but you guys said to grab the tom and run with it so I did. My test jar looks very similar to this one. It is from your print AKA. I will post a picture when I get back from wetting a line.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
#27263129 - 03/21/21 11:33 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah most of my jars have looked like this or even more rhizo.

The culture I have now doesn’t really climb the walls of the plates either. My old one always ended up all over the lid so I couldn’t even see in after a while.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bodhisatta]
#27263155 - 03/21/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you tried a grain/sub ratio of like 1:10 or anything way smaller to see what it does? Maybe it just needs more room to spread out before fruiting to reduce overlay? My agar jars have the shit literally growing through the air and clinging to the lid it’s unbelievable. Maybe it needs low nutes.
I have a tray with 1 part grain spawn 3 parts straw 3 parts manure and the fruits still look and behave funky... I never had problems with overlay and all my grows where done with LI made from the inoculation plate. Quote:
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nosf3r4tu said: They are definitely manure lovers. I've run them on different substrates and the best looking fruit came from a mix of straw manure with no grains. Ive also put them on just straw. They colonized it but didn't fruit. I think the weird growth we see it's becouse of the grains. I've only used wheat so far. I wonder if other tips of grains might work better. Something like popcorn or millett.
I want to see someone pull off absolutely amazing grows with cubes on manure/straw/coir before taking their assessments at face value of what nats find to be the best substrate. Lots of people say cubes love coir or manure based on their experiences being better at one or the other. Not that the cubes care but the individual tends to believe their experiences as devine fact.
I understand what you are saying but im not talking about cubensis. Natalensis are something different and in my limited experience grains (wheat, rye, barley) seem to cause wierd growth and manure seems to give them something they like very much. That's why I'm wondering if a different tipe of grain might give better results.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27263177 - 03/21/21 12:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’m trying on oats. Should be spawning tomorrow. Is that included in your grain experience?
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Not yet but I think the results will be similar. They are a grass seed like the others.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27263281 - 03/21/21 01:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I havent ran these with anything except straight CV yet
But if i can pull 12 dry ounces off a natalnesis tub with 4lb wheat without having to do any pasteurization at all (hell i didnt even bucket tek the coir), i am pretty dang satisfied with coir. I dont see much reason to nitpick the substrate or grain choice at that point
I think its fairly rare that substrate composition/nutrition is the bottleneck (especially with cubes). I do love poo though, my best cube yield ever (12.5 oz off one flush) used both manure and straw. But ofc that's a lot more prep work vs just hydrating coir
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: c10h12n2o]
#27263863 - 03/21/21 09:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still think it's all about the culture and maybe spawn ratio. I've had killer grows on CV that never want to die and others that sucked.

I noc'd a qt a week ago with a slow tomentose plate thinking it'll tame down the overlay.
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