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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27188061 - 02/05/21 01:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Playa Uvita you say... Huh. I've first feard of it recently and I thought it was just a cube. Now I want that one too 😅
Nocked 7 small containers with ms natalensis LI about a week ago. Different substrates.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27188066 - 02/05/21 01:47 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The fact it looks like Natalensis made me wonder how and if you could tell if a cross happened between the two. But I got 2 different phenotypes of playa and the one pheno has a little bit of a different look, cap wise anyway. So I'm hoping with that pheno I can tell if a cross was successful. I'm definitely going to be able to tell on the Natalensis x APE cross, thank goodness.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27188090 - 02/05/21 02:05 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

If nats mate with playa then playa isn’t a cube. I think there’s a better chance we will get a nat playa than a nat ape


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #27188093 - 02/05/21 02:07 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

True but we had a nat x PE cross already


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #27188143 - 02/05/21 02:40 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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If nats mate with playa then playa isn’t a cube. I think there’s a better chance we will get a nat playa than a nat ape




Not necessarily. Isn't Nec D a hybrid of two pan species? Like pan trop x pan cyan? I could be very wrong though

EDIT: yep, found the answer to my questions here


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #27188153 - 02/05/21 02:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting crack. I sure am intrigued


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PitcherCrab] * 1
    #27188200 - 02/05/21 03:22 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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What's the deal with Playa Uvita? I read somewhere it too may not be a cube?




It's probably a cube.  It was growing out of tall grass in the shade near a river in a meadow. There was no manure of any kind present.

The original looked just like those ones you showed pictures of AKA. yours are the most like the original.

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True but we had a nat x PE cross already




A horse can breed a donky to make a mule but the mule isn't viable. the viability of spores made by Natal Cube crosses to my knowledge is yet to be seen. We might just have a Nat Mule Dick situation here lol...

I think things like Natal and maybe Playa Uvita are possibly cubes that are speciating or ancestors that cubes came from. The place where I found the Playa Uvita was ripe with a diverse arrangment of cubes for miles. Anywhere there was manure you would find them. Perhaps due to the local spore load the one called "playa uvita" is a new but very close progeny of cubes. Reaching out to take advantage of new food sources and areas.

I suspect the Natal to be the same. Possibly a newly speciating offshoot from cubes.

Without sequencing there is no way to know for "sure" but hey, I love a good mystery. Especially a potent one.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nichrome]
    #27188266 - 02/05/21 04:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome. Thanks for the clarification everyone! Seems like a really cool variety no matter what it ends up being! *runs to flowhood to swab some Playa Uvita plates*


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nichrome]
    #27188287 - 02/05/21 04:15 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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What's the deal with Playa Uvita? I read somewhere it too may not be a cube?




It's probably a cube.  It was growing out of tall grass in the shade near a river in a meadow. There was no manure of any kind present.

The original looked just like those ones you showed pictures of AKA. yours are the most like the original.

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True but we had a nat x PE cross already




A horse can breed a donky to make a mule but the mule isn't viable. the viability of spores made by Natal Cube crosses to my knowledge is yet to be seen. We might just have a Nat Mule Dick situation here lol...

I think things like Natal and maybe Playa Uvita are possibly cubes that are speciating or ancestors that cubes came from. The place where I found the Playa Uvita was ripe with a diverse arrangment of cubes for miles. Anywhere there was manure you would find them. Perhaps due to the local spore load the one called "playa uvita" is a new but very close progeny of cubes. Reaching out to take advantage of new food sources and areas.

I suspect the Natal to be the same. Possibly a newly speciating offshoot from cubes.

Without sequencing there is no way to know for "sure" but hey, I love a good mystery. Especially a potent one.





I think it is more likely a totally new species. People are finding species all the time, especially with the ability to sequence them now. I don't have any experience with Playa Uvita and very little with Nats, but :shrug: "Sporeless Horse Donkeys" I might actually tattoo that phrase now. Im starting to like it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #27188337 - 02/05/21 04:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Has Playa Uvita been sent to get sequenced?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27188344 - 02/05/21 04:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Am I the only one that just wants normal looking tubs consistently or?

Like idk about taking a blobby species and then mixing it with a blobby variety. Unless we're growing marshmallows and not mushrooms anymore


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #27188354 - 02/05/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm totally with you. All I ever really want is consistent canopies and would love love love to get consistent canopies with natal. Never found "enigma" or whatever those other weirdo blob strains/varieties are to be of any interest at all. If the goal is to grow marshmallows, doesn't natal already take the prize?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27188372 - 02/05/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, they're cool, but you're right. If you want blobs for whatever reason, spawn some nats into some manure with a low fae environment and wait


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
    #27188961 - 02/05/21 11:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Just for reference these are from a playa clone I was messing around with.



Nichromes look totally different and a lot like natalensis. So both playa and natal have normal and long stringy type phenos. The no manure thing caught my attention but then I’ve never used manure to grow cubes.

I have no idea what the frequency of them growing off old nuts and seeds or whatever in the wild is, but maybe they’re cubes that happened to grow on the edge of an area with manure. Then some of them evolved to survive on other stuff as well, as a result of having just enough manure to survive but not thrive and that’s what causes the differences.

:shrug2:  so much cool stuff to figure out with mushrooms still.



And yes I would be ecstatic to get even a mediocre flush of natalensis.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27188988 - 02/06/21 12:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Has Playa Uvita been sent to get sequenced?





Not to my knowledge but I think that would be cool.

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Just for reference these are from a playa clone I was messing around with.



Nichromes look totally different and a lot like natalensis. So both playa and natal have normal and long stringy type phenos. The no manure thing caught my attention but then I’ve never used manure to grow cubes.

I have no idea what the frequency of them growing off old nuts and seeds or whatever in the wild is, but maybe they’re cubes that happened to grow on the edge of an area with manure. Then some of them evolved to survive on other stuff as well, as a result of having just enough manure to survive but not thrive and that’s what causes the differences.

:shrug2:  so much cool stuff to figure out with mushrooms still.



And yes I would be ecstatic to get even a mediocre flush of natalensis.





These fruits most resemble (spitting image even) of the original specimen.

It seemed like it was mostly eating the thick spongy layer of moist dead grass shedding. The mycelium was running all through the grass and the cap appeared to hover over the top of the dead grass layer although the stipe was actually pretty long like 6-8 inches which was a surprise as the cap was so small. The soil was very sandy.

How well do yours drop spores? The pheno I've been on lately is a crap spore producer. Maybe 1 out of 10 will drop a print. Too small to get a swab in there.

I think I'll try a run of the Natal on straw with a very low spawn:sub ratio like 1 to 3 maybe. If it is at all like the wild Playa it likes grass and is used to growing up through thick material.

Has anyone done a Tamp style sandy casing with the Natal?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nichrome]
    #27189057 - 02/06/21 02:25 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Here's my substrate experiment with Natalensis
All substrate containers were sterilized and inoculated with LI made from the germination plate on 01.31
Poting soil

Not much going on here.
Poting soil / manure, 8/2

This one was a little better but still worthless.

Poting soil / wheat bran, 8/2

Boom!

Wheat straw

Looks like straw is a food source for them and the tementose myc dominates the landscape.

Straw/manure, 8/2

This one looks a bit more viguros than plain straw.

Straw/Bran, 8/2

This one has to most growth to it.

Conclusions.
Grains/bran are like steroids for this guys. So I guess less is more...?
Id like to try this again with plain coir. I'm curious to see if they eat it like they eat the straw.

A good fruiting strategy might be 10%(or less)spawn to straw cased immediately with poting soil.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nichrome]
    #27189060 - 02/06/21 02:37 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I have been saying use sand from back in June. Once my culture grows out and is ready for grain I will do a test. Straight Coir, Peat Verm G, and a sand with straw =


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #27189107 - 02/06/21 04:47 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've got my first ever grow going down with Nat spores and PF Jars. I took some in vitro pins out after transferring to more brf and left these pins in the jars the mycelium was in previously. To my surprise after checking on them 5 days later, the mycelium has continued to eat every last crumb in the jars and made slightly bigger (but still tiny) fruits.

They blued so heavily but the pics don't do any justice.





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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: woolmer]
    #27191530 - 02/07/21 11:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)



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    #27191535 - 02/07/21 11:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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