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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] * 1
    #28605154 - 12/31/23 08:29 PM (28 days, 39 minutes ago)

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I have a flow hood and use agar to clone. Other than that I transfer g2g and haven't had contam problems in a long time. Read the back posts before you run your mouth.



I read what you wrote. I know you have a hood. None of that matters
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I completely understand that.I always start with agar now but had many successful grows with no contam problems using spore syringes. I think people are usually at fault for the contam and not the syringes in a lot of cases. Either way,I think there are lots of ways to have successful grows without getting into agar at first. Agar work is a lot of fun now that I have a flow hood. But I wouldn't have wanted mess with it on my first grow.



Keep growing from spore syringes, it makes no difference to me. The point has been made a few times already


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: milkboy]
    #28605164 - 12/31/23 08:33 PM (28 days, 34 minutes ago)

Did you not read what I just said about flow hood ect.... you don't make sense. You want a picture lol.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #28605172 - 12/31/23 08:41 PM (28 days, 26 minutes ago)

Not sure how having a flow hood correlates to spore to grain.
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Spores to grain is totally fine as long as you have a good syringe source.

If spores were inherently dirty then syringes would NEVER work and you’d see contamination constantly streaking prints to agar. This is all bullshit that has popped up recently.

Agar is better but (good) syringes are fine too. Sporeworks hasn’t been around for decades selling dirty syringes that fail more often than not.



I get what your saying aka, there are plenty of good cultivators who can do so, but given this advice is for the average joe learning I dont get how we have regressed to buying spores and shooting them in grain jars.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: milkboy]
    #28605179 - 12/31/23 08:47 PM (28 days, 20 minutes ago)

This advice was for someone who was trying a aio bag. Not the rest of us. Like I said, read the back posts. Sorry I have eaten 3g of nats and drank a half bottle of tequila ocho. So sorry,I hope you have a great new years. Anyone who grows mushrooms is cool in my book.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] * 1
    #28605192 - 12/31/23 08:58 PM (28 days, 10 minutes ago)

Am i being punked right now? Dude I read the post..  and your response telling him to do grain instead of pf cakes (which is a far better option for mss).


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: milkboy]
    #28605211 - 12/31/23 09:10 PM (27 days, 23 hours ago)

I did pf cakes my first time. But it was a pain in the ass. My first monotub was ms syringe to grain. And it was way easier.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] * 1
    #28605223 - 12/31/23 09:16 PM (27 days, 23 hours ago)

Most syringes are clean when tested on agar from a source like that. I will say though that I've had two dirty syringes from that vendor but other than that they have been 100% clean.

The point is you aren't testing them and there are still a large amount of contaminated syringes. Untested spore syringes have a higher failure rate than tested inoculant or than spores when put to BRF. And you don't figure it out until you've wasted time and grain. It is always a gamble.

Saying spores are inherently dirty isn't correct. The manner in which they are collected by a lot of home users or vendors is inherently dirty.

I just don't see any defense for actually advocating the use of untested inoculant that has a chance of being contaminated. There are two incredibly easy methods to increase your success chance.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Way]
    #28605244 - 12/31/23 09:41 PM (27 days, 23 hours ago)

We arw saying the same thing. Just going about it in a circle. Have a great new year's 😀 👍 😊


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] * 1
    #28605291 - 12/31/23 11:26 PM (27 days, 21 hours ago)

I don't see any reason at all to start cultivating shooting spores to grain, and accepting a lower chance of success, when just following the PF Tek is so easy and foolproof.
Personally I started with the PF Tek, just to start with a technique that will surely give me some shrooms, and something to do while I practice with agar.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Way]
    #28605299 - 12/31/23 11:34 PM (27 days, 21 hours ago)

Thanks Way, that explains a bunch...still have more to read(and always will), but thats something i gotta read, about contaminants and what they look like and what causes em


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Skropi]
    #28605330 - 01/01/24 12:25 AM (27 days, 20 hours ago)

And like I have said. I advocate using proven tek. BUT if you are BRAND NEW!!! Try sourcing good spore syringes and use good sterile technique and you have a good chance at success without investing hundreds if not thousands of dollars.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] * 3
    #28605386 - 01/01/24 03:21 AM (27 days, 17 hours ago)

I fundamentally disagree, to aim low is to accept mediocre accomplishments. Plenty of people are capable of learning from others mistakes. Cultivation is not pay to play, homemade agar and a sab can be done extremely cheap. In fact the sooner you learn agar the sooner it starts paying dividends back to you ten fold. Buying premade kits IS the most expensive way to grow


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: milkboy] * 1
    #28605391 - 01/01/24 03:40 AM (27 days, 17 hours ago)

The thing about investing is you get ROI. By the time you spend hundreds on the premade way you’ve bought everything needed to sustain yourself indefinitely making it the cheaper way.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Screwup]
    #28605452 - 01/01/24 07:01 AM (27 days, 14 hours ago)

It takes months to do a grow. Who wants to wait all that time just to see if you come up lucky or unlucky. Invest a few bucks and do agar so you dont have to worry about it.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
    #28605474 - 01/01/24 07:29 AM (27 days, 13 hours ago)

:whathesaid:
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh]
    #28605495 - 01/01/24 08:02 AM (27 days, 13 hours ago)

Why is no one acknowledging liquid culture? There is seriously no reason to use a spore syringe directly to grain when liquid culture is available from good vendors.

As someone new who just learned agar, liquid culture to grain is a great way to start as a noob (for people who don’t want to do PF tek). But seriously, don’t use fucking spore syringes when LC is just as easy to get.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MycoSnailCarl]
    #28605497 - 01/01/24 08:03 AM (27 days, 13 hours ago)

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Why is no one acknowledging liquid culture? There is seriously no reason to use a spore syringe directly to grain when liquid culture is available from good vendors.

As someone new who just learned agar, liquid culture to grain is a great way to start as a noob (for people who don’t want to do PF tek). But seriously, don’t use fucking spore syringes when LC is just as easy to get.




Because LC, even from a vendor, should still be tested on agar first. Also not everyone can get LC in syringe form. It's not legal everywhere like spores are.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28605506 - 01/01/24 08:10 AM (27 days, 12 hours ago)

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Why is no one acknowledging liquid culture? There is seriously no reason to use a spore syringe directly to grain when liquid culture is available from good vendors.

As someone new who just learned agar, liquid culture to grain is a great way to start as a noob (for people who don’t want to do PF tek). But seriously, don’t use fucking spore syringes when LC is just as easy to get.




Because LC, even from a vendor, should still be tested on agar first. Also not everyone can get LC in syringe form. It's not legal everywhere like spores are.




It “should” be, in that it’s not 100% guaranteed clean. But if we’re being honest, 90% of the time LC from a good vendor is more than clean enough to get a good grow. And having such a high bar for noobs is just somewhat elitist and overly intense in my view. Plenty of people want to just try out this hobby and that’s a great way in. Not everyone needs or wants to become a black belt in mushroom growing.

Also, at least in the US (and I assume Canada?) LC is very easy to get.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MycoSnailCarl] * 1
    #28605509 - 01/01/24 08:13 AM (27 days, 12 hours ago)

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Why is no one acknowledging liquid culture? There is seriously no reason to use a spore syringe directly to grain when liquid culture is available from good vendors.

As someone new who just learned agar, liquid culture to grain is a great way to start as a noob (for people who don’t want to do PF tek). But seriously, don’t use fucking spore syringes when LC is just as easy to get.




Because LC, even from a vendor, should still be tested on agar first. Also not everyone can get LC in syringe form. It's not legal everywhere like spores are.




It “should” be, in that it’s not 100% guaranteed clean. But if we’re being honest, 90% of the time LC from a good vendor is more than clean enough to get a good grow. And having such a high bar for noobs is just somewhat elitist and overly intense in my view. Plenty of people want to just try out this hobby and that’s a great way in. Not everyone needs or wants to become a black belt in mushroom growing.

Also, at least in the US (and I assume Canada?) LC is very easy to get.




Sorry to say, I have bought LC from a Trusted vendoron this site. It was bacterial on agar. It produced fruits but the LC I made after cleaning it on agar produced better. This is not a noob friendly approach IMO.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MycoSnailCarl]
    #28605512 - 01/01/24 08:21 AM (27 days, 12 hours ago)

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RockinRobot said:
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MycoSnailCarl said:
Why is no one acknowledging liquid culture? There is seriously no reason to use a spore syringe directly to grain when liquid culture is available from good vendors.

As someone new who just learned agar, liquid culture to grain is a great way to start as a noob (for people who don’t want to do PF tek). But seriously, don’t use fucking spore syringes when LC is just as easy to get.




Because LC, even from a vendor, should still be tested on agar first. Also not everyone can get LC in syringe form. It's not legal everywhere like spores are.




It “should” be, in that it’s not 100% guaranteed clean. But if we’re being honest, 90% of the time LC from a good vendor is more than clean enough to get a good grow. And having such a high bar for noobs is just somewhat elitist and overly intense in my view. Plenty of people want to just try out this hobby and that’s a great way in. Not everyone needs or wants to become a black belt in mushroom growing.

Also, at least in the US (and I assume Canada?) LC is very easy to get.



Testing lc isnt elitist, nor is encouraging people to have a successful first grow. We are right back to Aspects point about the value of time.
Yes Lc should be clean when you buy it, cars should stop for pedestrians, you dont see me walking blindly into the street


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