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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread *DELETED* [Re: NotFromGeorgia] 1
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 2
#28587258 - 12/17/23 07:07 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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I wouldn't suggest buying premade substrate at all. It is incredibly easy to make your own substrate. Take coir and add boiling water and verm if you want. No need for manure.
Millet or rye is fine. Not really sure the point to using both at once? BRF is good if you want to make PF Tek cakes, but if you can prepare grain spawn you should instead.
The inexpensive way is the best. It's not because you're not spending money, it's because you are making everything yourself and are preparing it properly and making sure you keep contamination vectors minimal. The expensive way is the easy but risky way.
I'm glad you read that link over and are taking it to heart. It's good to have an open mind and maybe realize there are better ways.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Pnin] 2
#28587813 - 12/18/23 04:37 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Yeah premade stuff is fine, but you need to find a reliable source. Itโs a huge problem right now for everything involved in shrooms.
And like he said, itโs very cheap and simple to make your own stuff, for the price of 2 or 3 bags you could make 100 yourself. If youโve got a solid vendor then it becomes an issue of do you have more time or more money.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28587850 - 12/18/23 05:09 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Imo all in one bags get a bad rep simply because most of them are plug n play and buying presterilized grain or sub has always been seen as sketchy because you never know their procedure.
That being said the all in one bag idea is a good one if done properly. I just wish people were making them theirselves, with homemade innoculant.
In a perfect world, amirite?
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#28587856 - 12/18/23 05:16 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tryptkaloids] 2
#28587870 - 12/18/23 05:33 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Imo all in one bags get a bad rep simply because most of them are plug n play and buying presterilized grain or sub has always been seen as sketchy because you never know their procedure.
That being said the all in one bag idea is a good one if done properly. I just wish people were making them theirselves, with homemade innoculant.
In a perfect world, amirite?
I feel like they get a bad rap because of the high cost. Itโs a ridiculously expensive way to grow mushrooms, but itโs hard to deny that buying a bunch of premade bags and LC syringes is the easiest way to go. Damn sure easier than PF tek or any other method Iโm aware of. Even if you have a 50% failure rate, itโs still just a money issue. Doesnโt take much effort to toss the bad bags and knock up a new one.
Others say theyโre bad because of QC. Thatโs a company issue, not a process issue. And a lot of us have bad QC even on our own stuff.๐คฃ
I dont use them anymore, but without a stupid MSS to grain bag, I wouldโve given up on mush cult. How many people a week do we see in here asking how to save their contaminated crap kits. A lot of them stick around. Bags may be the black sheep of the family, but all these companies marketing them are getting more people into cult than anything we do here with our snobby attitude.๐
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 2
#28587972 - 12/18/23 06:36 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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The aio bag is definitely the more sensible kit to buy if you're into paying for someone to do the work for ya. I still see too many kits selling perlite and water pumps. That hurts my soul
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 1
#28587975 - 12/18/23 06:39 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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NattyOrNice said: I'm very much taking it to heart.
And appreciate everyone's input!
Coir and verm it is!
Id rather do things all myself too, it's more fun, like working on your own car.
You all are right, there is no way to tell how the premade stuff was prepared.
The mycelium in my AIO bag looked healthy so hopefully it will bear some fruit to clone on agar.
I'm glad to hear manure isn't necessary. I read in another post about it could contain disease? That gets passed into the fruit? That passes to us when we eat it?
I'm really stoked to be learning so much and have access to all this information!
Thanks a bunch everyone!
I'll post some progress pics of the AIO bag asap.
Can't wait to take a clone and do it right!
Hey on a side note ...
Has anyone crossed p.natalensis with pan cyans?
To make a real blue meanie?? LOL
On a serious note, would it mess up the feeling? Nat's are great right? No body load? Clear head? Would pans mess that up if it were crossed??
I don't know why cubensis are so popular, frankly, they make my head cloudy and give me anxiety. A stronger species like APE would just intensify those effects right?
Because it's a stronger cube species?
Does anyone breed? Is that the right word?
Breed Nat's like cubes to get stronger species of Nat's?
Like an APE version of Nat's? Without any cubensis?
Pan cyans crossed with natalensis??
Maybe I'm daydreaming a bit.. it is pretty early in the morning. Haha.
Ape is a variety of cube.
Cross species hybridization is pretty hard, especially for unrelated species like pans and nats. Closer related species can be crossed easier. Like cubes and nats are close enough they can mate (or atleast ive heard people claim) woodlover psilocybes may be close enough to breed aswell.
Lots of people breed cube varieties together
Look up the strain discussion thread
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread *DELETED* [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 2
#28588036 - 12/18/23 08:01 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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You are misunderstanding it.
Cubensis is a species. Natalensis is a species.
The different names of cubes are different variety
Like apples. They are all the same species, but different varieties give different color, texture, flavor, size.
A strain is an individual set of genetics. A single print of any given variety will contain many different genetic strains
They are locked mostly because discussion has died down. The first post in the main thread should explain it, if you can't find it in like an hour I'll help, I've gotta get dressed and head to work
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 1
#28588043 - 12/18/23 08:09 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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NattyOrNice said: I wish there were more Nat species!
Crossing cubes with Nats would defeat the purpose.
I'll check out the strain discussion, thanks!
Even though strain isn't the appropriate word.
They are species!!
Haha
Personally I hate the fact that Mush cult is becoming like the weed Cult. For myself, I won't grow anything with a variety name that doesn't match the original scientific/locality name. Too many un-proven "varieties" already for my liking.
I cringe every time I see a post about some new "variety", especially since it takes about 11 generations to stabilize a new "variety" and I doubt many, if any, of these new varieties have actually been stabilized.
Definitely can't see any reason to Weaken Nats by crossing them with a Less potent cube Variety. (which has already been done BTW)
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot] 1
#28588047 - 12/18/23 08:14 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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There are plenty of stabilized varieties that aren't named after their wild find. You wont even grow APE?
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#28588050 - 12/18/23 08:16 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: There are plenty of stabilized varieties that aren't named after their wild find. You wont even grow APE?
I understand some are stable but in the last week I have heard 2-3 new varieties and I'm fairly sure thy haven't been properly stabilized. Just tired of every wannabe that gets a mutation calling it a new name and putting it out there.
But No I won't even grow APE, not after growing Nats and Semps. Cubes just don't cut it for me.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] 1
#28588061 - 12/18/23 08:26 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Cloning em just makes more blobs. What do I do with them? Eat the smaller ones, turn the bigger ones into chips
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot] 1
#28588069 - 12/18/23 08:35 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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RockinRobot said: Cubes just don't cut it for me.
dont be such a noob and grow some ape.
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