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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 4
    #28585883 - 12/16/23 06:53 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Crosspost maybe nats should be
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: EniQma]
    #28585947 - 12/16/23 07:18 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Yes, those are natalensis.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh]
    #28586526 - 12/17/23 08:40 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I have a couple questions for nat aficionados. I have dried, powdered, and capsuled a big batch of nats I grew in January and February. I have tested them for potency both then and a few times since then, and they seem stable.

Question 1: does anyone experience delayed onset when taking nats? Both my GF and several friends have waited 2 hours for them to take effect. They still hit as expected and do the full Nat thing, but with a big delay up front. They usually take 40 minutes for me.

Question 2: I’ve taken 4g of very potent Nats. Level 5 for sure. At times overwhelming. My GF, who is half my weight, took 4.5g at the same time, from the same batch, had a level 2 with glimmers of level 3 experiences. It’s weird.

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28586540 - 12/17/23 08:54 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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I have a couple questions for nat aficionados. I have dried, powdered, and capsuled a big batch of nats I grew in January and February. I have tested them for potency both then and a few times since then, and they seem stable.

Question 1: does anyone experience delayed onset when taking nats? Both my GF and several friends have waited 2 hours for them to take effect. They still hit as expected and do the full Nat thing, but with a big delay up front. They usually take 40 minutes for me.

Question 2: I’ve taken 4g of very potent Nats. Level 5 for sure. At times overwhelming. My GF, who is half my weight, took 4.5g at the same time, from the same batch, had a level 2 with glimmers of level 3 experiences. It’s weird.

Any insights here?



This may help with the onset question…
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28206481/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 6
    #28586711 - 12/17/23 11:32 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

My bounty.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: EniQma]
    #28586786 - 12/17/23 12:34 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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My bounty.




Amazing. Congrats!


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    #28586822 - 12/17/23 01:00 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice]
    #28586916 - 12/17/23 02:15 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

What is "All in one bag" method?
Do you inoculate the bag with spores directly?
Besides the sterilized grain, what else do you have in the bag?

Could you explain a little more? You don't have to use manure but if you do, if remember to pasteurize instead of sterilize.
Can you post a link to which Method or tek are you following?


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: WhiteDemon] * 3
    #28586997 - 12/17/23 03:22 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

It’s a bag with grain in the bottom, and sub on top. You inject it and when the grain is colonzied you mix the whole thing up.


You can mix it all up now if you want it won’t matter, I’ve made them where everything was mixed up from the start it just takes longer to colonize that way since you cant break it up.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #28587012 - 12/17/23 03:43 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Why cant you break it up? Seems like colonized coir should mix fine, no?


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    #28587085 - 12/17/23 04:57 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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    #28587090 - 12/17/23 05:00 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] * 2
    #28587113 - 12/17/23 05:15 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28587121 - 12/17/23 05:21 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Why say many word when few word do trick?

AIO bags get the hate for a good reason IMO. They work out sometimes but spawning to bulk with separate grain is the way to go.


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    #28587133 - 12/17/23 05:28 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] * 1
    #28587137 - 12/17/23 05:32 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I dont think this is the thread to discuss this


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice]
    #28587138 - 12/17/23 05:32 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Going to spawn my first nats in a couple weeks so want to make sure I have the cultivation stuff right:
  • You want more sub per spawn than cubes. This part makes me nervous, as I like 1:1ish ratios for worries about bacteria. I assume 1:3 is the lowest you'd really want to go with nats?
  • Once the sub is fully colonized, give it a lot of FAE. I assume this means more frequent misting as well.
  • Eat the fuckin overlay. Sounds like it's as potent as fruit, so put it into capsules, make tea out of it, whatever.
  • Spread the love with spore prints. I am a bit nervous about shipping but definitely Way, SPG, Trypt, etc. let me know if you want any.


Anything I'm missing or getting wrong?


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] * 1
    #28587142 - 12/17/23 05:37 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Thx.  I'll try and keep the words few.

I'm sure my paragraphs are a PITA.

Grain bag agar wedge?  Spawn in bag with poo/coir mix?  Instead of mono?

Keep bags low volume to fruit fast?

Id rather have 15 small bags done in half time of one mono.

Or am I trying to reinvent the wheel?

IDK, seems like there is a way to expedite things without cutting corners.

I don't have a PC either, or anything else yet.

Bags seem more cost effective?

IDK.


Thx!



There’s two things I know for sure.
1) using premade liquid culture syringes to inoculate premade/presterilized grain bags is the absolute easiest method of growing cubes or Nats
2) it is also one of the most expensive, least cost effective ways to cultivate.

If money is no object, you have no interest in the hobby and are unwilling to buy mushrooms from someone, premade bags and LC syringes are great. And I’m being sincere about that.

However, if the above doesn’t ring true, find a different path with our help. Good luck to you!


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] * 1
    #28587144 - 12/17/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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NattyOrNice said:
Thx.  I'll try and keep the words few.

I'm sure my paragraphs are a PITA.

Grain bag agar wedge?  Spawn in bag with poo/coir mix?  Instead of mono?

Keep bags low volume to fruit fast?

Id rather have 15 small bags done in half time of one mono.

Or am I trying to reinvent the wheel?

IDK, seems like there is a way to expedite things without cutting corners.

I don't have a PC either, or anything else yet.

Bags seem more cost effective?

IDK.


Thx!




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I'm sorry, I was referring to huey.bluey and his "no". Not that you were using too many words.

So on bags...

All in one bags bought from vendors are incredibly hit and miss. The sterilization of the grains and manure and the hydration levels of both of those is inconsistent in a lot of cases. You really can't trust anything you didn't make yourself to be clean or prepared properly.

They also don't really speed things up compared to separate spawn and substrate. You still have to colonize both the grain and the substrate, the only difference is you have a harder time shaking up the grain and the additional hydration from the substrate can affect colonization or promote contamination.

They are also hard to work with. If you want to use an agar wedge to inoculate, good luck doing that in a normal sized SAB. Bags are best combined with flowhoods imo.

If don't want to buy a PC, don't want to do BRF, and are okay with taking chances in using vendor grain, I'd suggest the following. Buy LC, test it on agar, shoot up your pre bought grain, and send the grain to coir you make yourself.

You can do this in a monotub, a shoebox, or a ziploc.

You will have much more success than using all in one bags in my opinion.

If you want fast grows, tested LC, small grain bags, and a high spawn:sub ratio.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NattyOrNice] * 4
    #28587152 - 12/17/23 05:44 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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IDK, seems like there is a way to expedite things without cutting corners.




nope

check out these links
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086/vc/1

post your quick questions here
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27827195/page/1

if you have a spore syringe and no pc, go the pf tek route. it's tried and true.

tax, overlay culture vs (supposed) non-overlay culture

very anecdotal as these are my only two cultures so far. has anyone else noticed any patterns with morphology on agar compared to eventual overlay growth?


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