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Re: Psilocybe natalensis or cubensis var. natal [Re: Dr.Bluethumb]
    #26925683 - 09/09/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis or cubensis var. natal [Re: Akipal]
    #26925697 - 09/09/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can we see photos of the different species?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis or cubensis var. natal [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26925757 - 09/09/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah what are the differences and what’s causing all these problems??

Lol I’ll buy it once we get some id verification on the account.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis or cubensis var. natal [Re: A.k.a]
    #26926053 - 09/09/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So is that to say that psilocybe natalensis is a different species than cubensis? And if so what microscopically separates it out of curiosity?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26926305 - 09/09/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)


Well this is my first go with natalensis and this was an isolate. Culture was chosen for strong rhizos. Kinda wishing I had done a multi-cultural grow now. What do you guys think? Natalensis or Notalensis?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26926560 - 09/09/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like it to me.

Now you just need to give it the potency test :dancer:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26926568 - 09/09/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah too bad I don’t know ever take cubes anymore. Only mexicana and pans or exotics. My eyes have been opened to that whole other world now I can’t look away. Or maybe I’ve just spoiled myself.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26926598 - 09/09/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol but it’s not cubes! Maybe.

I haven’t tried mine either but I’ve given them to a few friends who all rave about them.

One of our last exchanges went like this-

“Hey try this new toc clone for me”

“You can’t expect us to go back to normal cubes after giving us stuff like pans, PE and natalensis”.:lol:


They actually started mixing .5 of natalensis in when they took the normal cubes after trying it so there’s definitely something to it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis or cubensis var. natal [Re: Dr.Bluethumb]
    #26926717 - 09/09/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocybe natalesis and Psilocybe cubensis var. Natal Super Strength are two completely different species. Both from KwaZulu Natal South Africa. P.cubensis var. Natal Super Strength was isolated by mycologist Jon Mac Gillivray along with Copelandia cyanescens var. Natal Blue Meanie in 2016. Consider that all cleared up now since I am said Mycologist



....proof? Microscopic quality assuring species deviation? Also any proof to your claim that you are the mycologist named? I highly doubt it given you included the real name of the mycologist. How would you even know that they were distinct species without sequencing? 2 cubes grown indoors from the same strain can have massively different characteristics.

So basically you're trying to tell us all that the species we've been growing on COIR is a pan cyan variety? I'd love to believe you because this is what I already believed but you're gonna have to post some sequencing results or anything besides your word. Pans are dung loving. So are cubes, but I've had results with natal that I've never gotten from pans. Some people even treat them as pans with poor results.

Edit: if you are who you say you are, go through and check out the photos in this thread. My samples grow long and skinny with small caps and no partial veil, like pans. Some grow with partial veils. Short and stout like cubes. Does taxonomy not transfer over continents? It seems like it would be easy enough to sequence the DNA and get to the bottom of it and give it a taxon rather than just saying they're different. Please let us know if you have any microscopic qualities you can share. Im going back to cubes for a second to get the rust off the old bones, but I dropped 4 plate pins to 4 jars so ill try a cross with one and I guess build a green house? Maybe sgfc, if they truly are pans/copes


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26926729 - 09/09/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Well this is my first go with natalensis and this was an isolate. Culture was chosen for strong rhizos. Kinda wishing I had done a multi-cultural grow now. What do you guys think? Natalensis or Notalensis?



I think fuzzy organized growth (not wispy or rhizo or tomatoes, just light and not crazy) is what puts out the best results. Ive been waiting for.my plates to pin to drop whole pins in the jar for a more genetically diverse culture.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26926782 - 09/09/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He’s saying the same thing the vendor page says, there’s natalensis the species, a cube from natal called NSS, and then also a pan from natal apparently called blue meanie according to that guy. Except the vendor says it’s “pan cyan, v. natal”.


With the types of myc i had less overlay with fuzzy growth which seems counterintuitive. Although I only ran the cultures once and didn’t transfer them past t2 so it’s nothing conclusive.



Even the rhizo growth was really thick like it had layers to it. I’ve got a plate right now with the first sections I’ve ever seen of flat rhizo like normal cubes do. I’m hoping that’s the ticket.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26927041 - 09/09/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I got some pan cyan blue spores a couple weeks ago and posted on the pan page and everyone was thinking it was fake or a cube or something.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26927280 - 09/09/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I got some pan cyan blue spores a couple weeks ago and posted on the pan page and everyone was thinking it was fake or a cube or something.




Could you link it, please? I've tried searching through your posts but couldn't find it.
I've got a syringe of the 'Natal blue meanie'. Really really hoping it's pans.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Momorush]
    #26927402 - 09/10/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: ProfChaos]
    #26927420 - 09/10/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I know this paper has been published in this thread before
Psilocybe s. str. (Agaricales, Strophariaceae) in Africa with description of a new species from the Congo

but did you see this?

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Psilocybe natalensis was described from the region of Natal in South Africa in a xerophytic habitat (Gartz et al.  1995, Reid  &  Eicker 1999). This bluing species is strongly hygrophanous, with a brownish pileus that soon turns white. [...]
It is interesting to observe that this South African species is closely related to P. aztecorum from Mexico, based in the study by Guzmán (1978 b). [...]
However, P. aztecorum grows only in grasslands in mountainous pine forests, up to 2.000 m altitude, [...]
It seems that these two species differ only in habitat and geographic distribution.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: ProfChaos] * 1
    #26927768 - 09/10/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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ProfChaos said:
Observation of Funguys in Natal



Natalensis


Very different to my indoor and outdoor grows of NSS.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Momorush]
    #26927841 - 09/10/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Again, there is a difference between NSS and Natalensis. They are not the same according to my research. This is where the confusion lies.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: ProfChaos]
    #26927843 - 09/10/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So NSS is indeed Psilocybe Cubensis var NSS? Have any photos of NSS?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26927867 - 09/10/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: ProfChaos]
    #26927876 - 09/10/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

May not have been clear, but that is what I implied.


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