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Highrophant
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Growing these for my first run ever. After scrolling through a good amount of this thread I feel like I’m set for success. I used just under 1qt of spawn and 2 quarts of straight Coir with another half qt as a casing layer. It ended up a little short of 2 inches thick and the top was covered in like 3 days. Once that happened I gave it a very small mist and left a crack in it, which I closed back up because my walls started to dry up. Everything is looking really good so far and I’m confident. If there’s anything I’m questioning it’s whether I should mist some more.
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Welcome, and nice username  Add a Heirophant avatar and you're set.
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Highrophant
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Thank you! Glad to finally be able to post something after learning so much here in the past couple of months
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Hi all, new to cultivating nats, so all and any advice will be most welcomed. I have two shoeboxes that I S2B on 15 July. One shoebox looks like overlay and the other shoebox doesn't have so much overlay, but what looks like it could be mycogone. What do you more experienced guys think?, Is the one with less overlay a gonner or am I still good to go?
First 3 photos are what I think might be wet bubble, but I'm unsure?



This last one is hopefully healthy overlay, will the pins break through? Hope you guys can offer advice.

Thanks all
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: cageyone23] 8
#28404218 - 07/22/23 05:22 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Trashcan outside starting to push a few mush, hopefully more to come.
Nice areolas!!
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I'm so fucking done with this nat culture. It's been nothing but overlay and metabolites indoors and now it's doing the same shit outdoors.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28405046 - 07/23/23 08:52 AM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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me sir.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
#28405226 - 07/23/23 12:10 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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winzlo7 said: Nobody will say yes because sunlight stops the overlay and initiates fruiting. Sad to see nobody has verified this yet. 10-15 minutes direct sunlight for 3-4 days after 7-10 days into fruiting conditions.
I tried putting two nat grows in a sunny spot indoors (6+ hours of direct sun) after the myc poked through the top layer, and it still had overlay. I don't think sunlight prevents overlay, at least not with indoor grows.
I don't think it would work indoors as most of the uv spectrum will be blocked by glass windows. Plus I also think it benefits from the breeze. In 10-15 minutes in direct sunlight the tiny water droplets on the surface evaporate quickly which also induces fruiting
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Lithop]
#28405244 - 07/23/23 12:31 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Lithop said: ^Godspeed to 'em A.K.A!
 Picked a few of those outdoor 'Lensis this morning, to clear real estate for the others. My pictures do NOT do justice to them! Last night in the late-evening sun, the squat one was so tealy green/ silver & shiny. Absoutely unreal!
 ^had to evict this psyder
 Accumulatively about 80g wet
Do you plant them in spots that get direct sunlight? I'm of the opinion that they like a little sun
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Quote:
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winzlo7 said: Nobody will say yes because sunlight stops the overlay and initiates fruiting. Sad to see nobody has verified this yet. 10-15 minutes direct sunlight for 3-4 days after 7-10 days into fruiting conditions.
I did that with all my nats trays and tubs. No overlay in 5 of 5. Maybe genetics or luck ...
Or maybe it's the sunlight. Next time maybe mark one of them to not give any sunlight and witness the difference
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: winzlo7] 2
#28405249 - 07/23/23 12:40 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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How about you do it and show us
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28405255 - 07/23/23 12:53 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Overlay is genetic, no idea where this sunlight reducing it came from?
Just accept the overlay or go back to your genetics to find a culture that doesn't have overlay issues.
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 H.S. nat mutant almost ready.
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cageyone23 said: Hi all, new to cultivating nats, so all and any advice will be most welcomed. I have two shoeboxes that I S2B on 15 July. One shoebox looks like overlay and the other shoebox doesn't have so much overlay, but what looks like it could be mycogone. What do you more experienced guys think?, Is the one with less overlay a gonner or am I still good to go?
First 3 photos are what I think might be wet bubble, but I'm unsure?



This last one is hopefully healthy overlay, will the pins break through? Hope you guys can offer advice.

Thanks all
Concerning mycogone I'm (fortunately) lacking experience but you could try to bruise one blob and see if it stains blue, which should be the case for nat myc.
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Seems the nats are winning the fight, not sure it is wet bubble after all..anyway those pins are looking healthy 
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: cageyone23] 5
#28407867 - 07/25/23 12:20 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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I just harvested my first batch of natalensis. I have a busy life at the moment, so I used Neglect Tek. It actually turned out just fine.
I spawned a MSS to rye and then mixed one quart spawn to one quart coir in a six quart Sterlite shoebox (1:1 ratio). I cased that with 1 pint of coir, misted the top, and snapped the lid closed (these are not airtight lids so there's at least some air exchange). Note that I did five quarts/bins simultaneously, and I had the same results with each.
After a few days I started seeing a lot of overlay, maybe a half to quarter inch. A few days later I saw side pins galore but no top pins. I solved the problem by popping the cake out of the shoebox and simply placing it in an 18 quart bin with the top snapped shut. There was still a ton of moisture so I didn't add any more. This is what it looked like a few days later (kept between 72F and 76F):

Clearly the transfer had no adverse effects. This morning I harvested the shrooms, and this is how much the shoebox produced (this is a regular dinner plate, and I did not weigh):

Yesterday I sampled 1.25 grams, dried, and here are my thoughts:
* At least 2X stronger than Tidal Wave and B+ (maybe on par with PE or APE, which I have little experience with) * A lower body load * A come-up that wasn't so much fast as it was harsh (it actually caused me some anxiety, which I felt strongly in my chest) * A really sharp high (I'm guessing there must be a larger proportion of psilocin in nats compared to most cubes) * A fast grain colonizer * Resistant to contamination * Tedious to harvest, growing all noodly thanks to Neglect Tek * Fast to dehydrate
With the strength, speed, and ease of growing these, I don't think I'll be growing anything else. Someone who cares more might fan and mist, say, 3X daily to increase yield or produce more normal growth, but what I've harvested from just one bin will sustain me and my friends for quite a while.
I personally wouldn't recommend Lemon Tek with natalensis because I already find it harsh, but to each their own. Next time I dose I'll probably do so in half-gram increments over maybe a two hour period to attenuate the harshness.
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Nice work! And thanks for sharing your experience! It's very interesting since most reports seem to agree on higher potency but still a more gentle, less harsh trip than with cubes.
With this kind of contradiction I'm even more curious about trying them. I just harvested my first flush.

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I'm interested in what you think of them.
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Paramycologist, if you want to avoid a harsh come up, I suggest make a tea and drink it slowly over the course of 20 minutes.
That's at least how I used to dose Nats. Usually you'll feel the first effects by the time you take your last sip.
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