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JW123
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From what I have seen it will pin through that.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: JW123] 7
#28317322 - 05/12/23 02:48 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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These were less than half open last night. Woke up to a spore dump. On the plus side, biggest nats I've grown yet! 7.5cm caps!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Marcus666] 1
#28317543 - 05/12/23 05:49 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Nice!
Did you just bury them in the ground? Or you mix up something and put them in a pot?
Thanks! For the ones in the pic, I laid some straw on the ground and placed pieces of shoebox remains, then alternated compost/straw/compost/straw on top of them. They were post second flush subs.
@Moopers Those are awesome! I thank you again for the ticket to the Nat train!
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This is what this bottle looks like after 2 days

Will it pin through that thick mycelium layer? When people talk about peeling the overlay off, what do they mean by that? I tried touching it but it felt squishy and flimsy. Like if I pulled on it I wouldn't pick up anything.
Bump on this question in case it was lost 
That’s fine so far. It’s gotta get real bad before it could stop pins.
When I peel it off it’s because it’s like 2 inches deep, just pinch some near the base and pull it up if it gets out of hand.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28317567 - 05/12/23 06:13 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Getting ready to spawn to bulk. Any definitive methods of preventing overlay? 1:4 ratio with a top layer good? If so what should depth of top layer be?
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Dunno, but I can say that in my experience, a thick natty top layer creates way more sidepins than a smaller one. Nattys seem to like to pin very quickly, and if you have a thick top layer they'll go out the sides before they make it through the coir. At least, that's my experience.
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If you get side pins it’s from having suboptimal surface conditions or tub prep.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28317579 - 05/12/23 06:21 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: If you get side pins it’s from having suboptimal surface conditions or tub prep.
I don't get side pins generally, but once the cakes shrink side pins do come. The only tub I've ever had side pin before second flush had a 1in top layer. Yet, correlation doesn't equal causation, assuming others run thick top layers and are fine then clearly I am making some mistake.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 3
#28317584 - 05/12/23 06:24 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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I go 1:5 and a nice even top layer just enough to cover exposed grains. No liner. Heavy compression. 0 side pins.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: cozmyc] 2
#28317639 - 05/12/23 07:28 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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I did 1:5 or 1:5.5 too. My top layer was a quart of substrate so maybe like half an inch. So i mixed 1:4.5 and then put the other 1 part of substrate on top to make it 1:5.5. Compressed the hell out of it and didn't use a liner. I think I saw side-pins on the fourth or fifth flush.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: JW123]
#28317648 - 05/12/23 07:33 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Considering my spores are from you, I gotta trust that I'm fucking up in some way. What would I be doing that's leading to side pins? I know that's abstract, but I haven't seen this from other varities. Just particularly Natalensis.
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Tamp down harder around the perimeter. Angle the trowel or float to increase pressure on the side and go around the edge of the tub.
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I did make that adjustment to the tub I spawned today, so my instincts were at least correct.
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When I say compressing the hell out of it I mean the sides of the shoebox bow out. Besides the side-pins how are you liking them? Edit: also what Aspect said really press down around the sides.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: JW123] 2
#28318061 - 05/13/23 07:17 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Nats are weird but not worth my time anymore. If I'm going to be blunt and piss ya'll off it's a cube that's overhyped. I know it's not a "cube", but holy shit it's just a cube. I managed to get rid of overlay and haven't seen it since my first grow. Made it to F7 and stopped as nothing really changed.
Grown them outdoor, on shit, on coir, pf cakes, and did some crossing with cubes. It's honestly just a cube for me and I'm over cubes. Yet I just pulled out the gen 0 slants to see if it overlays. I hate nats so much, but it's like a carwreck I can't stop trying to fix.
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If you’re not noticing a better trip with natalensis then I would definitely not grow them. They definitely don’t yield like cubes unless you get one of the freak cultures that puts out a full canopy for three flushes.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28318314 - 05/13/23 12:54 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Rocky, I understand. I mean nats are very good for me, but it's not like I'm gonna put them on a pedestal or anything. I like the tried and true, like Tamps and Pans and I'm unlikely to change my mind just because something is new or potent or whatever. I also feel that way about Subtrops, even tho I dont have enough experience to tell for sure.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 13
#28318424 - 05/13/23 03:19 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Multispore , BRF to Bulk 1:5 ratio. From 24 hours to now 
      
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: WhiteDemon] 4
#28318441 - 05/13/23 03:36 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Best vanilla around
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: xShroomerx] 2
#28318480 - 05/13/23 04:16 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Great job WhiteDemon!
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