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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: machinym]
    #28262247 - 04/04/23 03:03 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Should I still have hope? 

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: ElvishKlingonSith] * 1
    #28262292 - 04/04/23 03:30 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Why would you lose hope, that looks like a pretty dense pinset.  Unless somehow all the pinhead looking things are metabolites or something.  I'd expect to harvest in a week based off that image.

edit - metabolites disguising themselves as pins, how disgusting.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Excess Taters]
    #28262299 - 04/04/23 03:36 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Kinda hard to tell from the pic but I think those "pins" are infact metabolites from a wet bubble disease.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
    #28262301 - 04/04/23 03:37 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

It does look like a surface of metabolites. Not one I’d keep


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc] * 2
    #28262307 - 04/04/23 03:41 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Lol yeah definitely liquid.


I’ve had identifical tubs that ended up pinning. I would keep it until it pins or molds unless you need the space.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #28262371 - 04/04/23 04:26 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

:whathesaid:

It's not optimal, but it's also not a death sentence for Nats.  If you don't need the space, hang on to them and see what happens.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: machinym]
    #28263379 - 04/05/23 10:24 AM (9 months, 19 days ago)

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machinym said:
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DERRAYLD said:
Why would that have any value what so ever?
It's genetic, many of us grow overlay free Nats.




Because it could be a combination of both genetic and environmental factors.

If an overweight man with a family history of heart disease went to his annual checkup, the doctor would tell him to lose weight, because even though the man is genetically at higher risk for heart disease, losing weight would still help. Same thing here.

(Not 100% sure if what winzlo7 said is accurate, just bringing up a point.)




I'm not sure either it's just my theory. It would be interesting if someone with overlay would test the direct sunlight hypothesis


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: winzlo7] * 2
    #28264918 - 04/06/23 09:28 AM (9 months, 18 days ago)

I just finished my last flushes on a few tubs. Looking back, I found absolutely zero difference between the Tomentose and Rhizomatic agar plates. Neither had an overlay (but I think that's all genetics) and both produced about the same at approximately the same rate, so I'm not sure how much the agar character plays a factor.

All other factors were the same (ratio was about 1:3, same sized tubs, etc.).


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: mwojo]
    #28265388 - 04/06/23 02:34 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

Are we noticing overlay and no overlay from the same print?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28265926 - 04/06/23 06:49 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

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Are we noticing overlay and no overlay from the same print?




I started with 5 cultures from a print and 2 had overlay - of my overlay cultures, one was much worse than the other so there might be multiple phenos with overlay :justdontknow:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PBJ710] * 4
    #28265940 - 04/06/23 06:54 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

Spore grow from my iso is a little crazy. Two fruits and one is short and fat so 50/50 desired pheno :lol:




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #28265947 - 04/06/23 06:58 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

I count 4


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28266237 - 04/07/23 12:33 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Does this look like a nat? Looked like a cube to me and was about to toss it, but I thought I'd ask here first..


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: 0t0lerance] * 2
    #28266258 - 04/07/23 01:11 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

The ol NAT is a shape shifter. It’s a bit hard to tell from picture. A better of the area of the stem where you might expect a veil remnant and a close up of where the gills meet the stem might help…
If I’d have to guess I would say it doesn’t look like a NAT to me.


Also up above - tub of “bubbly goodness” I’d say that lump just right of center at the bottom is a pretty good candidate for wet Buble disease. It can infect other tubs in the area very very easily - isolate asap. Toss is probably the best course of action. Dry out your grow area and wipe down with a 2% bleach solution. Toss any other tubs that look like that. Air movement and misting are ways that wet bubble disease can spread - airborne! 😳😬


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
    #28266259 - 04/07/23 01:15 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

How much more fae do nats tend to prefer?  Should the lid be completely flipped?  Askew?  What's the consensus? 

Thanks!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Excess Taters] * 2
    #28266260 - 04/07/23 01:20 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

well, I had like six 8mm holes around my mono (two on each side) and my Nat's didn't have any fae issues. My experience is they need not so much, very similar to cubes


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
    #28266750 - 04/07/23 11:06 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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The ol NAT is a shape shifter. It’s a bit hard to tell from picture. A better of the area of the stem where you might expect a veil remnant and a close up of where the gills meet the stem might help…
If I’d have to guess I would say it doesn’t look like a NAT to me.






Easier to see what it is now?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28266843 - 04/07/23 12:12 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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PsiloPsychIn said:
The ol NAT is a shape shifter. It’s a bit hard to tell from picture. A better of the area of the stem where you might expect a veil remnant and a close up of where the gills meet the stem might help…
If I’d have to guess I would say it doesn’t look like a NAT to me.






Easier to see what it is now?



I vote NO. Those don't look anything like my Nat gills or cap.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SeaSalt] * 1
    #28266867 - 04/07/23 12:29 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

I vote yes


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Eugene Gesuale] * 1
    #28266883 - 04/07/23 12:40 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

It looks like some are attached to the stem so I'll going to say yes.


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