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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm] * 4
    #28248676 - 03/27/23 01:49 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Some really odd Nat mutations, a tiny pom-pom of gills at the top of the stipe.

 

I'm not sure if these grew the gills on the top of the cap or if the cap opened up all the way and inverted.  Never seen anything like this before though.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: schpat] * 1
    #28248730 - 03/27/23 03:50 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Eugene Gesuale] * 5
    #28248758 - 03/27/23 05:07 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Wow that’s the most hardcore rose comb I’ve ever seen


One of my ufo type clones is pinning finally. I peeled off a grapefruit size ball of overlay a few days ago. Unfortunately looks like mold has landed all over the surface but the pin pheno looks good.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #28249137 - 03/27/23 11:12 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Does anyone know how cold hearty Nats are?  I want to spawn-up some chip beds but I don't want to put it out too early and have the cold kill it.  What kind of overnight temps can this handle?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: iggycrop]
    #28249158 - 03/27/23 11:34 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

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Does anyone know how cold hearty Nats are?  I want to spawn-up some chip beds but I don't want to put it out too early and have the cold kill it.  What kind of overnight temps can this handle?



Don’t mean to bone-apple tea ya but I believe it’s “cold hardy”...
Throughout this thread as I have read it seems they tolerate low temperatures considering how vigorous they colonize I think.
Would the cold kill it? Idk I imagine you can freeze myc and thaw it out to spawn with it? But I am not actually sure about that. How cold is your chip bed?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #28249245 - 03/27/23 12:46 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

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A.k.a said:
Wow that’s the most hardcore rose comb I’ve ever seen


One of my ufo type clones is pinning finally. I peeled off a grapefruit size ball of overlay a few days ago. Unfortunately looks like mold has landed all over the surface but the pin pheno looks good.







Just looks like Penicillium. No death sentence.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: iggycrop]
    #28249267 - 03/27/23 01:08 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

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Does anyone know how cold hearty Nats are?  I want to spawn-up some chip beds but I don't want to put it out too early and have the cold kill it.  What kind of overnight temps can this handle?



They’re native to South Africa where the average low temp is -2°C, so they’re certainly cold hardy. Even my cubes fruit in the refrigerator at 7°C.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hillbillyjohn]
    #28249286 - 03/27/23 01:19 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Good. I spawned a quart to a container in my greenhouse that gets down to ~7C at night.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: RescueU] * 3
    #28251709 - 03/28/23 06:45 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

Well my nats have been natting right along. I see what everyone means with how fun these are to watch grow.

I’m casing these bottles momentarily. I’m expecting each be pretty different since the myc looks so different in each one. I’m making some fresh bottles tonight, and I’m pretty encouraged that I already see some knotting on the older plates and none of that crazy chunky overlay. They must like the dog food agar, but I don’t think I should get my hopes up too much until these bottles start fruiting.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 1
    #28251725 - 03/28/23 06:56 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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iggycrop said:
Does anyone know how cold hearty Nats are?  I want to spawn-up some chip beds but I don't want to put it out too early and have the cold kill it.  What kind of overnight temps can this handle?



They’re native to South Africa where the average low temp is -2°C, so they’re certainly cold hardy. Even my cubes fruit in the refrigerator at 7°C.




The main reason I got into nats (besides potency) was that I read they tolerate both heat and dry better than cubes and that they can survive freezing temps as well. I live out west at about 5000 feet and I’ve successfully fruited cubes outdoors here, so I’m hoping I can get these at least established for the season in a properly maintained compost pile. Whether they survive the winter or not is something I haven’t thought about yet but I intend to find out. Every one of my spent bottles is going to get planted in the compost pile so we’ll see what happens.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: RutherfordTheBrave] * 2
    #28251826 - 03/28/23 07:37 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

If you fruited cubes outdoors, Nats shouldn't be a problem, good luck!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28252138 - 03/28/23 09:52 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

I remember hearing a few things.  Nat likes to overlay, and tomentose mycelium leads to less overlay.

I got a pretty rhizo play of nat, and used that to make lc for all these shoeboxes.  I feel like it will likely overlay.  Should I spore out my nat print to agar and select for tomentose growth to give me a better starting point?

I know I'm jumping the gun a bit here as nothing's really happened, I just like to be as proactive as I can with stuff in this hobby, as I'm impatient and this hobby always takes a while.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28252188 - 03/28/23 10:18 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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34 100mm JW123 plates trying to germinate now. I’m excited to join the natty club!




Three days and I already have clean germination on these plates! Killer print!




Why are they in bags? Do you not have parafilm or cling wrap?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Excess Taters] * 3
    #28252278 - 03/28/23 11:45 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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I remember hearing a few things.  Nat likes to overlay, and tomentose mycelium leads to less overlay.

I got a pretty rhizo play of nat, and used that to make lc for all these shoeboxes.  I feel like it will likely overlay.  Should I spore out my nat print to agar and select for tomentose growth to give me a better starting point?

I know I'm jumping the gun a bit here as nothing's really happened, I just like to be as proactive as I can with stuff in this hobby, as I'm impatient and this hobby always takes a while.





i have got several rhizo natalensis cultures with zero overlay. this overlay mumbo jumbo should stop. it is simply culture dependent.
your boxes look fine.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] * 6
    #28252478 - 03/29/23 05:39 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)




Feel like I should roast this thing and make a s’more with it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #28252525 - 03/29/23 07:00 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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34 100mm JW123 plates trying to germinate now. I’m excited to join the natty club!




Three days and I already have clean germination on these plates! Killer print!




Why are they in bags? Do you not have parafilm or cling wrap?



I have tons of Parafilm, but stopped using it. When I make new plates, I just throw them in bags until I’m ready to use them, which could be an hour or a month. Somewhere along the line, I just realized how ridiculous it was to take it out of the bag, inoculate it and then wrap with Parafilm I had prepared.

Now I take it out of the bag, inoculate, and throw it straight back into the bag.🤷


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28252549 - 03/29/23 07:28 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)

Do you reuse the bags?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28252655 - 03/29/23 08:32 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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Do you reuse the bags?



Only one time, right after inoculation. When I go to harvest he plate, the bag goes to the kitchen for the wife to do whatever with. I buy them 1000 at a time and it comes out cheaper than even cling wrap per plate!🤣


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 3
    #28252669 - 03/29/23 08:44 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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34 100mm JW123 plates trying to germinate now. I’m excited to join the natty club!




Three days and I already have clean germination on these plates! Killer print!



33/34 plates have germinated so far. Here’s the best. 28mm diameter 8 days after inoculation. I’m transferring the best 22 and trashing the rest today. Those 22 will grow until they pin and those will go straight to grain. Any that don’t produce plate pins will also get trashed.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Norsern_vind] * 2
    #28252886 - 03/29/23 12:15 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

Follow up.

A little bit heartbroken as both the Shoe box-in-EZ tub and EZ mono both failed.

EZ mono was completely wiped out by the green; mycelium was overtaken and simply couldn't compete/recover. Wondering if the CV psuedocasing was to blame, but could also be attempting to layer instead of fully integrate grains with the sub, which reduced colonization speed.

SB in EZ was able to contain the pocket of green that formed, but side pinning was off the charts, even with a liner, and did not produce a single surface pin or fruit. Total yeild was an embarrassing 64.3g wet:





In positive news, post-harvest staining was the darkest seen in years, on par with a corumba line cultured in years past and previous nat attempts that stained dark,but nowhere this dark, which is a very, very deep indigo, almost black:





Taking a break from nats for a bit to work on a few other projects, but will jump back on the bandwagon once a new strategy has been developed. Considered running a lower ratio in the future at 2:1 (even though 3-4:1 is the current recommendation) to see what happens, as the mycelium did not colonize as aggressively as hoped; may coincide with reconsideration for mixing the tub, rather than layering. If it is a GE/FAE issue, may need to consider spawning these guys outdoors in max FAE in future attempts.


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