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Egon_Spengler said:

officially my first Nat fruit, lol. Found today on an old germination plate i’ve been ignoring. Guess I’ll clone it out while my first jars finish colonizing. Neglect Tek does it again.

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hummingbird

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Rotnpins] 17
#27988708 - 10/08/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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My first nat clone tub. It had some bacterial issues but actually surprised me. Little bit of sporesplosion happened while I was out dancing, but...

 It was looking like it was going to be a tangled mess of sparse tiny snakes, but after like only 8 hours, I came back to them being straight and twice as tall and filled out...which is nicer for harvesting, so I see this as progress.
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Egon_Spengler
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Nice grow, Hummingbird!
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That tub looks like it came out great. Congrats hummingbird!
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Do you ventilate your tubs manually, if at all? Nice tub, it's weird to see them growing so even, without this usual alien weirdness going on. Do they have hollow stems?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Konbri] 3
#27989532 - 10/09/22 04:46 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone!
@Konbri- I run nats exactly like cubes in monos. I took out the polyfill in the top holes a couple days ago because there was bacteria spots on the substrate(too wet + I think I need to change the filter on my water filter). I do think nats like just a little more fresh air than most cubes do. I was really surprised they straightened up like that actually because they looked like they were going to be a knotted snakes. The fruit I cloned was probably slightly straighter than the majority or matted snakes from the original MS tub. The stems on these are a little less hollow than the tub the clone came from, but none are fully solid.
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After spending a lot of time reading this post but unable to go through hundreds of pages, I have something to say
Have any of you considered foregoing a casing layer and instead putting down simple bubble wrap with an inch or so of open space between the sides? This should simulate the same environment which is causing side pins and bottom pins, and stimulate it on top of the cake.
So, without having to search through all the discussion regarding this unique and interesting strain/strains, what is the consensus? Preferred sub? Preferred fruit temp/temps? Spawn to bulk ratio, etc? Has the overlay issue been tackled?
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hummingbird said: My first nat clone tub. It had some bacterial issues but actually surprised me. Little bit of sporesplosion happened while I was out dancing, but...

 It was looking like it was going to be a tangled mess of sparse tiny snakes, but after like only 8 hours, I came back to them being straight and twice as tall and filled out...which is nicer for harvesting, so I see this as progress.
Edited by SilvJailbiddi (10/09/22 10:25 AM)
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Winston Smith
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Quick Nat question for all you pros (and pros y'all are; awesome canopy, hummingbird!)
I shook that Nat jar that I posted a pic of awhile back, and the colonized areas broke up WAY easier than any jar that I've ever shaken before.
I understand that contams can make grains a little more difficult to break up, yeah? Is grains breaking up easily a sign of an issue?
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Konbri


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I'm not a pro, but still - how did you prepare your grain? Was it wild birdseed?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Konbri] 4
#27990217 - 10/09/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Bacteria will make grains harder to break up when shaking, it's not a bad sign if it breaks up easily. Unless weird colors show up or it takes a long time to recover after shaking, you're good.
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Konbri


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 + What I've noticed with my millet grows, the less hydrated grain (when the shell is not even slightly open) gets wispier myc and easy to break, that's why I asked about the preparation method. And I believe it's always easier to break because of the hard shell as well, maybe it doesn't have good adhesion comparing to wheat/rye. I don't know why some people mention ever present trouble breaking millet apart.
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hummingbird said: My first nat clone tub. It had some bacterial issues but actually surprised me. Little bit of sporesplosion happened while I was out dancing, but...

 It was looking like it was going to be a tangled mess of sparse tiny snakes, but after like only 8 hours, I came back to them being straight and twice as tall and filled out...which is nicer for harvesting, so I see this as progress.
Excellent grow there, buddy Welcome to nat pandora
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: winzlo7] 2
#27990486 - 10/09/22 04:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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winzlo7 said: After spending a lot of time reading this post but unable to go through hundreds of pages, I have something to say
Have any of you considered foregoing a casing layer and instead putting down simple bubble wrap with an inch or so of open space between the sides? This should simulate the same environment which is causing side pins and bottom pins, and stimulate it on top of the cake.
So, without having to search through all the discussion regarding this unique and interesting strain/strains, what is the consensus? Preferred sub? Preferred fruit temp/temps? Spawn to bulk ratio, etc? Has the overlay issue been tackled?

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: astra]
#27990519 - 10/09/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an in depth explanation. My ex girlfriends brother created a pinset you wouldn't believe with the use of bubble wrap, and that was with cubensis (GT and treasure coast)
It would be interesting to know if it would prevent your overlay problems.
If it does all credit goes to the scientific dude who made this video
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Winston Smith
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Konbri] 1
#27990612 - 10/09/22 05:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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hummingbird said: Bacteria will make grains harder to break up when shaking, it's not a bad sign if it breaks up easily. Unless weird colors show up or it takes a long time to recover after shaking, you're good.
Sweet, sounds like I should be golden. I appreciate ya!
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Konbri said:
 + What I've noticed with my millet grows, the less hydrated grain (when the shell is not even slightly open) gets wispier myc and easy to break, that's why I asked about the preparation method. And I believe it's always easier to break because of the hard shell as well, maybe it doesn't have good adhesion comparing to wheat/rye. I don't know why some people mention ever present trouble breaking millet apart.
I think you're spot on!
I'm using Pennington's WBS. Pulled out most floaters, which I usually don't do.
Rinsed until water was clear, soaked in hot water for 24hrs (not temp controlled, so water wasn't hot the whole time).
Drained, laid out on a towel to dry for about 30-40 min (possibly more).
This is the first time I didn't boil after soaking (because I had issues the last time that I did, wanted to cut that out this go-round) and the grains do look a little more dry than usual. I might've let'em dry too long. Not sure if you seen the pics I posted earlier, but the mycelium was pretty damn wispy before I shook it.
So wispy mycelium? Check Easily broke apart? Check
Sounds dry.
Think I'll run into any hydration issues down the line? Or can I just compensate for it by completely ensuring that I get the coir to field capacity when spawning?
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Konbri


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If it grows, nevermind the dry sound, you're good. I only listen to my nose, no pun intended. Sometimes bacterial spawn just won't trich out, no matter the odds, but I don't practice using bacterial spawn anymore if I have healthy alternative.
Here are couple of my monos to add to the conversation. I've had less chaotic grows, but thin alien boys is my favourite pheno.
 
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Konbri]
#27990855 - 10/09/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Gnarly, bro, I dig it! This is my first Nat grow so I don't have a favorite myself but those do look radical. I appreciate your input, man! Gives me some relief and answers as to why I had wispy growth.
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hummingbird

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I use LC and usually run oats so being on the drier side helps cut down on bacteria in my spawn jars. I have noticed my nat jars typically have more thin wispy myc than most of my cube jars.
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