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Yes maybe so but you are completely disregarding the fact that you did not take this print yourself
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
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What does that have to do with anything? Iβve successfully grown natalensis from print in question 4 other times. Thatβs enough proof that it is indeed Ps natalensis. Until I took prints from those grows, it was the only natalensis print I had until I made prints from the first grows. In those other grows, they had all the typical natalensis characteristics including subdeccurent gill attachment, overlay, and correct spores. The fruits from those grows are undeniably natalensis. If making the print yourself is a requisite for new discoveries then very few people have discovered anything new.
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Because I do believe you when you say you personally didn't mix anything up, but with somebody else involved in the process, that definitely makes some kind of spore cross contamination (at some point of making or owning the print) more possible.
If you'd taken the print yourself and didn't have any tampanensis nearby I just might have believed it a little more. I'm pretty sure a flow hood could easily knock spores onto one another.
Think how little you need for germination.
The majority of the print could have been Natalensis, and only partially contaminated with tampanensis spores, which is why you had luck the 4 times before.
I could be wrong and if I am and this is really Natalensis producing stones I will personally apologize, and suck your balls.
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ConsistentPublic said: Iβve successfully grown natalensis from print in question 4 other times. Thatβs enough proof that it is indeed Ps natalensis.
Hey CP- this seems like it could be a fun little development in our knowledge of Nats and really appreciate you showing up here 
I think what's happening at this point is we all need actual "proof", including you. You mentioned Occam's Razor earlier, but that can also be cut a different way...if it looks like tamps, and produces like tamps...
Occam's Razor Simplified
The idiom "when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras" refers to this principle that the most likely solution is the simplest one.
You're a science man you said, yeah? Cuz it sure seems like we're at a data over theory point here.
Fruiting those fuckers should help. Alan would be the best source obviously- but will take time if it happens. I and others believe you could have a pretty great idea of what it is in less than a week with an agar plate too. The myc is so different it should start solidifying an opinion either way before sequencing or fruits show up.
So yeah, let's get some actual proof up in this bitch! I think we're all at the same point here until that happens.
 
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I've seen other people post photos of what appear to be stones. I was just reading about horizontal gene transfer, does anyone know if HGT could happen with sclerotia or how psilocybin mushrooms evolved the ability to produce stones? Might be a question for another thread.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Mr.Giggles] 1
#27824120 - 06/17/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say horizontal gene transfer is EXTREMELY rare (because it is). Honestly anything sounds more plausible than this. It's probably not something that happens every day in nature, let alone in vitro.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 5
#27824314 - 06/17/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Tiny Natalensis, one night later:
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My first ever natal jars appear to be somewhat bacterial. The culture appeared to be fantastic .
The grain is wheat, which is sold as poultry feed at a low price. It's "dirty".
The jars looked great a few days ago, so I gave them a shake. They recovered okay, but they've begun to look unhealthy. They got a second shake yesterday, and this is how they look now.
Would it be worth spawning them if they fully recover from the second shake?
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The same culture got sent to organic rye jars today.
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Iβm just started with nats but the pros said my jars were bacterial on wheat also, but fruited fine, 3 flushesβ¦.mine were more βspikeyβ looking thoβ¦
id say send it, a lot of tubs ive seen early on the thread had trich and was still fruiting, nats dont care
I did a low ratio tho also good luck!
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Yeah unless theyβre completely fucked with mold Iβd spawn them
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san pedro guy said: Iβm just started with nats but the pros said my jars were bacterial on wheat also, but fruited fine, 3 flushesβ¦.mine were more βspikeyβ looking thoβ¦
id say send it, a lot of tubs ive seen early on the thread had trich and was still fruiting, nats dont care
I did a low ratio tho also good luck!
Thatβs common when people who arenβt familiar with natalensis see spawn jars. Natal tends to produce those βspikyβ rhizo fingers on grain which do look similar to the bacterial reaction with cube myc.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27825673 - 06/18/22 11:14 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Those jars don't look good but I've seen Natalensis jars I set out as "contam" eat mold that would slay cubes and survive. Possibly bacterial but no harm in trying.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PrimalSoup] 3
#27827008 - 06/19/22 09:03 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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My two surviving jars getting buried in flower pots outdoors. Other two turned green. These are coir based Muda Bottles so they are about half rye and half coir.
 Bag for easy clean up, layer of perlite for drainage
 Cakes on top, they are sloped to one side but I level them out when I add verm
 Verm to fill in around the cakes to level
 Just enough soil to barely cover, a few pepper seeds and a generous sprinkle of grass seed
 Another ~1/4 inch of soil to cover. At this point I water with a watering can and poke holes in the bottom of the pot and bag with a hot screwdriver
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SirPsycho] 2
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: labbar]
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Oh boy, I love blue cheese
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Nat mutation? Looks like enigma!
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Whatβs STC have there Adas?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: fahtster]
#27827773 - 06/19/22 07:47 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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