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OfflineHongosamongus
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27764393 - 05/05/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

This is my second attempt at growing this species and I'm clearly failing. This tub has overlaid twice and been re-cased, and suddenly as of last night started turning blue. Any ideas? It's just solid mycelia all the way to the bottom, but won't fruit and now this. Should I just pitch it it?

Also, the tub has been in a very large grow tent with regular FAE through a CO2 controller system, humidity at about 80-85.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hongosamongus]
    #27764407 - 05/05/22 01:13 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Looks like it matted. Could be from excessive drying out and/or overmisting. In any case they arent enjoying what you did there.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27764409 - 05/05/22 01:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

So, is there any way to turn this around or just give up?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hongosamongus]
    #27764447 - 05/05/22 01:47 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I would recase it. And then probably if you give it more stable conditions it should be fine. Or misting the casing before it manages to colonize, but that's just my personal theory, may or may not work.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27764472 - 05/05/22 02:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yeah it definitely matted up.


I would just make sure the humidity is high enough and leave it alone. It’ll pin eventually.

When I had a tub matted bad like that the myc died and then new healthy myc sprouted from it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27764480 - 05/05/22 02:03 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

What about the sudden blueing? That was really strange...happened within 6 hrs or so.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hongosamongus] * 1
    #27764602 - 05/05/22 03:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

This is new. Not for lack of FAE either. Look like pom-poms.





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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27764707 - 05/05/22 04:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Wow that's some helluva snow caps! These things never cease to amaze me!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27764762 - 05/05/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

do you know the % humidity there hindsight?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
    #27764768 - 05/05/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Did some mycelium as overlay on the cap wtf! Did you tried/will try to clone one of them? to see if it can come back like that again!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: V.L] * 1
    #27764773 - 05/05/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

since im already universally hated , i will be the first partypooper to say that its spores germinating on top of the cap from high humidity and spores going craycray.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: V.L]
    #27765012 - 05/05/22 07:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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do you know the % humidity there hindsight?




45% in the room, and I had this dub-tubbed which allows for some pretty large air gaps between the two tubs (5mm high x 8-10cm wide gap on each end of the tub). So I would say the humidity wasn't very high, no.

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Did some mycelium as overlay on the cap wtf! Did you tried/will try to clone one of them? to see if it can come back like that again!




If it was overlay, it attached itself very early as the cap poked through the overlay. It definitely wasn't a case of the overlay climbing up the stem. I don't think it is spores germinating because the fuzz started forming on the caps very early in the cap growth. I don't play on cloning these for a couple reasons. The first is that I took some clones of a nat fruit that looked like a mace - basically shape of a chanterelle. The clone did not end up growing fruits that looked anything like it and in fact, none of the clones I have grown out have produced exciting results. I did have one nice full spaghetti tub grow out from clone, but while packed with fruits, they were smaller and thinner than the multispore tub I took the clone from. And a handful of other tubs grown out from clone samples didn't produce much - just a small cluster of fruits in a corner, and other tubs didn't fruit at all. I'm getting the feeling that Nats like the genetic diversity of an MS grow vs growing from a clone culture, but I shouldn't say that yet because I have only tried growing one round of nat clones. It's possible there could be some contamination too but it's so hard to tell with Nats because they seem to like making yellow metabolites regardless of whether contamination is present or not. I'll try growing Nat clones again but it may be some months before I can get to it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MysticMycologist]
    #27765658 - 05/06/22 08:41 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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No advice, but holy shit, what a nice tub. If my Nats turn out half as good as that I will be ecstatic. Is that a clone?




Both tubs were multispore. Guess I got pretty lucky with genetics.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27765669 - 05/06/22 08:49 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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You can get FAE under the canopy by making some small holes into the tub. The lower portion just above the substrate.




I have the standard hole arrangement suggested for monotubs, with two 1” holes on each long side at substrate level with micropore tape.

Are you saying I should make more holes than that?

I’m wondering if there’s a way to engineer a forced air system to push HEPA filtered air into the tubs at substrate level. Kind of like a central HVAC setup with tubes going to each tub on a timer of a few seconds periodically.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
    #27765678 - 05/06/22 08:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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This is new. Not for lack of FAE either. Look like pom-poms.









chop down the cloud :mushroom2:I love this shit, even if the fruiting bodies aren't fully going, the cloud is always going and it works beautifully:cool:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: holidayyy] * 2
    #27765692 - 05/06/22 09:13 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Adas said:
You can get FAE under the canopy by making some small holes into the tub. The lower portion just above the substrate.




I have the standard hole arrangement suggested for monotubs, with two 1” holes on each long side at substrate level with micropore tape.

Are you saying I should make more holes than that?

I’m wondering if there’s a way to engineer a forced air system to push HEPA filtered air into the tubs at substrate level. Kind of like a central HVAC setup with tubes going to each tub on a timer of a few seconds periodically.




I don’t think you would need to use HEPA filtered air at all. Sterility is a non factor after spawning in open air. Baba Yaga has a contraption that feeds moist air from a fish tank pump, bubbled through air stones in a jar of water, and then piped into his tubs. This allows him to have tons of FAE without compromising humidity and drying out the substrate. Check out the Pans in Monotubs thread.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
    #27766043 - 05/06/22 01:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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This is new. Not for lack of FAE either. Look like pom-poms.








Those are fucking awesome, you should try to isolate the pom-poms. Or is it from the overlay or something?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27766159 - 05/06/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Pretty sure it's germinating spores like smalltalk_canceled said.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27766220 - 05/06/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

My NAT1 culture. Feckin side-pins, but it's the best Nat pinset ever for me sooo.. I guess I should be happy? :jodie:



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27766228 - 05/06/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I’ve just spawned another Nat tub today after my 2 for LAGM overlayed heavily and then produced some sick ass metabolites and then just turned into a monstrosity. I took some different myc from a germ plate into a new LC so maybe better luck this time.

If not then I have 1 more swab left and it’s back to the drawing board. Really wanna see what the trip’s like though!


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