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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz]
    #27738907 - 04/17/22 03:09 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry, I'm really not buying this orbeez nonsense, and I really wish I had taken a picture of my first flush after seeing this pop up. 
You're first flush isn't looking any better than my 2nd flush (minus the spore drop).  Those orbeez just blocking empty space :rofl2:


2nd Flush Nats:  Coir, verm, no orbeez needed:imslow:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Mycelium Juice]
    #27738934 - 04/17/22 03:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm not looking for reassurances or converts chuckles, you mistake my intentions

But do go on talking about something that you have zero personal experience with.  I find it amusing


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz] * 1
    #27739045 - 04/17/22 05:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Can the myc access the water in them?


If you could replace coir and just use the orbeez that would be pretty cool. Just harvest and rinse/rehydrate them and never need to make sub again. As a casing I don’t see the point though.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hillbillyjohn] * 1
    #27739051 - 04/17/22 05:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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66q tub with pH adjusted Peat, Straw, Manure, Verm & Gypsum substrate

Cased at spawn with peat

pH 8.8 Orbeez added at signs of Hyphae (similar to bubblewrap Tek but also rehydrates sub top layer and contam resistant)





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...(4 qts spawn, 650-700grams coir, 3 qts verm, 4.25 qts water)...prbly colonized in about a week. 





What's your intention then? 
We're all here to learn and you're presenting orbeez like they make a difference.  You should write an Orbeez Tek with side-by-side comparisons for us all. 
Currently I think the results show you wasted a lot of time for results that can be achieved through less.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Mycelium Juice] * 4
    #27739308 - 04/17/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MycoWeek] * 4
    #27739331 - 04/17/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Second flush clone tub. I didn't do my usual tricks to increase FAE on this second flush to see if they'd go spaghetti. They did not. This is an unmodified mono, kept the lid flipped but not askew, no fanning, which gave them fuzzy feet but not spaghetti length or floppiness. This is as tall as they grew in the first flush with the lid kept askew and occasionally fanned.

This isn't conclusive, but I thought it was an interesting trial.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27739906 - 04/18/22 09:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Can the myc access the water in them?


If you could replace coir and just use the orbeez that would be pretty cool. Just harvest and rinse/rehydrate them and never need to make sub again. As a casing I don’t see the point though.




Nah, you can have some to pull hydration duties between flushes without needing to introduce water (spray/dunk/etc)

One of the perks is that you can have extra available water without mucking field capacity in the substrate


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27739908 - 04/18/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Can the myc access the water in them?


If you could replace coir and just use the orbeez that would be pretty cool. Just harvest and rinse/rehydrate them and never need to make sub again. As a casing I don’t see the point though.




Nah, you can have some to pull hydration duties between flushes without needing to introduce water (spray/dunk/etc)

One of the perks is that you can have extra available water without mucking field capacity in the substrate

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Second flush clone tub. I didn't do my usual tricks to increase FAE on this second flush to see if they'd go spaghetti. They did not. This is an unmodified mono, kept the lid flipped but not askew, no fanning, which gave them fuzzy feet but not spaghetti length or floppiness. This is as tall as they grew in the first flush with the lid kept askew and occasionally fanned.

This isn't conclusive, but I thought it was an interesting trial.







Beautiful!  I have one clone tub in my Panaeolus tent to see how it reacts, but I've had mostly straight Nats in modded monotubs without much interaction


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz]
    #27740160 - 04/18/22 12:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Wait the myc doesn’t colonize the orbeez?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz] * 1
    #27740174 - 04/18/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Beautiful!  I have one clone tub in my Panaeolus tent to see how it reacts, but I've had mostly straight Nats in modded monotubs without much interaction



Post pics! I'll be curious to see the results.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
    #27740202 - 04/18/22 01:15 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Nat on a BRF puck, almost a month now and still no pins! Got another LC colonising. See if I have any luck with that after the LAGM alien overlay fest!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27740424 - 04/18/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It doesn't actively colonize them, although I do see the odd rhizo growth on a couple. For the most part, the bottom of the stipe will attach and use to supplement water instead of pulling all of it from the top of the substrate

Hydrogel is about 150:1 ratio in water


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers] * 1
    #27740458 - 04/18/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Beautiful!  I have one clone tub in my Panaeolus tent to see how it reacts, but I've had mostly straight Nats in modded monotubs without much interaction



Post pics! I'll be curious to see the results.




Untested clone "B2" has a very uneven start but a carpet of knots.  Been a slower culture, but I attributed part of that to being my substrate experiment.  50% peat 33% straw 15% manure with the rest verm and gypsum  (had leftover Panaeolus substrate and blended in) Richer sub, so slower than PVG

Part of what I'm testing is pasteurization and thermophilic bacteria and longevity of the tub/flushes vs straight PVG

Tent tub is definitely quite vertical at the moment



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz] * 7
    #27740610 - 04/18/22 05:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Random trip update - finally got around to my second nats trip (3g dry). First was a few months back, 2.5g, wanted to do another before having an opinion.

I planned to do Tamps sclerotia this time, but first nats trip was so good I needed to know if it was just luck.

Trip 2 was really, really, smooth again. Great for deep meditation, minimal anxiety on the come up. Nice body disconnection, bright CEVs, just floating in the music.

If I had a complaint, it would be that peak experience felt a little shorter than I wanted, but that could also just be because I wanted to hold it there all day :smile: Might push to 4g next time... So little time, so many shrooms to try.

I thought Subtrops were gonna be my goto, but man Nats are 2 from 2 and both were so smooth. I'm continuing on my pokemon journey, nats and subtrop are the current MVPs. Pans are very distant 3rd and cubes are off the menu.


Go team Nats :smile:



(hah orbeez are back...! Extra $$$.. for what? Looks cool I guess :laugh:)


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27740644 - 04/18/22 05:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

:hellyeah:
Not enough trip reports in this thread! An entertaining read bud!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27740685 - 04/18/22 06:05 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Random trip update - finally got around to my second nats trip (3g dry). First was a few months back, 2.5g, wanted to do another before having an opinion.

I planned to do Tamps sclerotia this time, but first nats trip was so good I needed to know if it was just luck.

Trip 2 was really, really, smooth again. Great for deep meditation, minimal anxiety on the come up. Nice body disconnection, bright CEVs, just floating in the music.

If I had a complaint, it would be that peak experience felt a little shorter than I wanted, but that could also just be because I wanted to hold it there all day :smile: Might push to 4g next time... So little time, so many shrooms to try.

I thought Subtrops were gonna be my goto, but man Nats are 2 from 2 and both were so smooth. I'm continuing on my pokemon journey, nats and subtrop are the current MVPs. Pans are very distant 3rd and cubes are off the menu.


Go team Nats :smile:



(hah orbeez are back...! Extra $$$.. for what? Looks cool I guess :laugh:)





Hah, yeah man

You haven't tried 44g fresh yet?  It's epic

Update edit: 17hrs after earlier monotub in tent pic,  gotta crop this AM



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Snazz] * 4
    #27741716 - 04/19/22 09:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: milkboy] * 4
    #27741912 - 04/19/22 11:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You know, I didn't try em fresh because they looked too cubey and I was like.... nah. Dried em and put em aside.

And then chatting to folks here got me to go back and give em a go. I was very skeptical that they weren't just cubes, even tho they grow a little differently.

There was some hype here about strength, so I went easy at 2.5-3. I did 55g APE one time and found my 'upper tolerance', don't really want to go there again.

My nats I would call 'mid' strength. They're not as strong g for g as subtrop, pans, or even APE, but there is something experientially different about the trip. Mind-tearing come up is less harsh, and CEVs are... mmm less intimidating (?) than strong cubes. For me, both times was like surfing, big cube trips have sometimes felt like a washing machine. Fun but.. also fuckin exhausting.

My preference is eye-mask, headphones and meditation. Super chill, stepping away from life for a few hours. I find nats perfectly suited to this. Cubes for comparison have very different CEVs for me, more disorientation at high doses and are not what I would describe as relaxing :laugh:

Lots on this thread have said they have positive trip vibe, I agree.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27741945 - 04/19/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I love the vibe, and it certainly is different than cubes.

One my most memorable trips was last summer.  36g fresh Natalensis and 2g dried Blue Bells in chocolate

Psilocin in fresh cross the BBB nearly instantly and can gauge the dosage reasonably well.  Dried chocoshroomz gave a little boost and longevity around the fresh peak

A little THC distillate sublingual helps my energy visualization a fair amount

Then shower/meditation until I reach equilibrium


My most recent fresh trip I ended up giving a Reiki session and was an intense experience. Especially for them who had never had any energy work done before.

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27742327 - 04/19/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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The orbeez is from Reddit. Never understood why you would use them though.



I just read about this stuff on Reddit. I still do not understand what "Orbeez" actually does though. Looks like marbles. :laugh:


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