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Woo! Getting pins and no overlay issues. I hope they have a cool/unique phenotype.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny] 1
#27706091 - 03/23/22 05:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Pins appearing and maturing no problem in the protection of the overlay (?)

Aka-21 clone natalensis culture.
Looks like the overlay slows down colonizing mold at the surface, if the green mold can reach the stems through traveling a normal mixed substrate, it kills the natalensis fruits when the mold starts touching them like normal no problem, but I havent seen green molds advance directly on the overlay - maybe that specificly is the deal here.
Some drivel/theorycrafting
Bacteria will cause - blobs of white dense mycelium - real heavy bacterial infection will create big yellow disgusting oozing blobs with small holes in them
How much overlay a culture *responds* with is genetical, so clean cultures with low affinity for this will do it seldom - checks out with shroomery posters saying they can establish cultures without overlay. Checks out with being close to cubensis, as cubes will produce overlay and blobs in extreme situations and we've seen this kind of genetics in them before.
The overlay is capable of deterring mold better than using the normal substrate as point of fruiting, letting fruits mature when fruiting out of the overlay - making its own "casing".
How would this work in nature exactly? Wouldnt a casing of mycelium just dry out and fail? Maybe its even very specific to our human indoors artificial growing of them
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I’ve had that mold quite a few times, it seems to be pretty weak. Usually I’ll see tiny pin points of it until I harvest the first flush and then it starts spreading.
That second tub is badass. Those are my favorite pheno, usually real strong too.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27706130 - 03/23/22 06:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I havent even eaten them yet. Dont know how longer I can forego it. Life is difficullt enough without giving yourself reprieve.
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san pedro guy said: Will you be able to tell after it fruits?
Im still new to crossing, but what happened a few pages back, was that I mixed a jar of APE (non clone) with a grain jar of natalensis.
What happened was sort of separate fruiting - I thought - but if you look at the pictures - something weird happened.
It started out as APE fruit, and then sudedendly turned more natalensis like in cap color.

Came from this. Corner right is the same fruit

He's white and grey, and then suddendly he turns into more orange yellowey?
So I cloned him.
Just need a convincing rhizo circle now, and its straight to more grains
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Quote:
smalltalk_canceled said: Pins appearing and maturing no problem in the protection of the overlay (?)

Aka-21 clone natalensis culture.
Looks like the overlay slows down colonizing mold at the surface, if the green mold can reach the stems through traveling a normal mixed substrate, it kills the natalensis fruits when the mold starts touching them like normal no problem, but I havent seen green molds advance directly on the overlay - maybe that specificly is the deal here.
Some drivel/theorycrafting
Bacteria will cause - blobs of white dense mycelium - real heavy bacterial infection will create big yellow disgusting oozing blobs with small holes in them
How much overlay a culture *responds* with is genetical, so clean cultures with low affinity for this will do it seldom - checks out with shroomery posters saying they can establish cultures without overlay. Checks out with being close to cubensis, as cubes will produce overlay and blobs in extreme situations and we've seen this kind of genetics in them before.
The overlay is capable of deterring mold better than using the normal substrate as point of fruiting, letting fruits mature when fruiting out of the overlay - making its own "casing".
How would this work in nature exactly? Wouldnt a casing of mycelium just dry out and fail? Maybe its even very specific to our human indoors artificial growing of them
I think that's penicillin. I've gotten that before. It's not as aggressive as trich
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny] 2
#27706448 - 03/24/22 03:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Forgot to post these here, serious overlay and bacterial, smelt fine though! My LAGM grow I binned. Got some LC on a Brf puck and looks clean so pretty confusing and my coir game is usually on point so not so sure what happened!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny]
#27706465 - 03/24/22 04:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Penicillium won't attack bulk substrates. This is Trich.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
#27706505 - 03/24/22 05:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Adas said: Penicillium won't attack bulk substrates. This is Trich.
You think? I can only imagine it started in the grain jar then as I used CV from the same batch on other tubs that fruited just fine.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley]
#27706533 - 03/24/22 06:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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It looks like Trich too, and if it was Penicilium the Nats would eat it like nothing.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
#27706545 - 03/24/22 07:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Well shit, I thought it may have been bacteria or the culture. I’m not having that fuckin green bastard beating me! I’m gunna get some clean myc and have another pop then as I was looking forward to the trip!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley]
#27706593 - 03/24/22 08:17 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I was talking about Panny's response to Smalltalk's grow.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 1
#27706707 - 03/24/22 10:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ah right…..
Well my statement stands!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley]
#27706731 - 03/24/22 10:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Man if people were still into collecting metabolites to use on other tubs natalensis would be a goldmine
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27706751 - 03/24/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Man if people were still into collecting metabolites to use on other tubs natalensis would be a goldmine 
I’d be set for life!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27706828 - 03/24/22 11:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Man if people were still into collecting metabolites to use on other tubs natalensis would be a goldmine 
Why did people use to do that? What have I missed?
Maybe the metabs could be beneficial to bees, similar to what Stamets observed with polypores?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 1
#27706831 - 03/24/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I saw it in some old old threads. I think the theory was that metabolites fight contam, so they were sucking them up with a syringe and saving it. Then when they’d get a tub with mold instead of cutting it out or salting it they would grab the syringe and soak the mold with metabolites.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27708548 - 03/25/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny]
#27708570 - 03/25/22 06:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ah no - this is horrible for the natalensis resist mold better theory
here we can see that its able to spread itself directly on fruits, mycelium, and overlay.
Time to harvest these, because I saw green on the fruits.
sorry for having the thoughts that this underspecies of psilocybe could be mold resistant
it was in retrospective, naughty and dreamy
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Well it does seem to do better with mold than cubes.
I kinda figured it was because there was so much damn overlay the mold had enough to eat and didn’t worry about spreading as much.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27708736 - 03/25/22 08:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I’ve had normal fruits bruise a weird greenish color before, but yeah I don’t think they’re impervious to all molds, just some of them
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