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OfflineHindsight
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: noddyg] * 1
    #27701089 - 03/19/22 07:46 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Are you guys running spawn ratios than cubes? I went 1:3 my first go but experienced a lot of overlay.




I have done everything from 1:1 to 1:4. It does seem that the lower ratios like 1:1 have a tendency to overlay more often however I got some wicked overlays on the 1:4 tubs too. I would say it’s much more culture dependent. I don’t find the overlay to be any problem. They still fruit fine and you can harvest and eat the overlay. It has an interesting texture when dried.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: noddyg]
    #27701438 - 03/19/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Are you guys running spawn ratios than cubes? I went 1:3 my first go but experienced a lot of overlay.




I did 1:3 first grow, no overlay. 1:4 the other grows, one bad overlay, one 40% covered by overlay. All had 2cm of extra coir on top at spawning.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
    #27701532 - 03/19/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I also did 1:3 with a top layer and didn't have much overlay


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #27701544 - 03/19/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I've been doing 1:3 with no overlay issues. Top casing with coir didn't seem to change the results much


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27701619 - 03/19/22 05:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Same here, 1:3 or 4ish, no overlay issues.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #27702075 - 03/20/22 04:20 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)



Should I introduce fruiting conditions?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny]
    #27702212 - 03/20/22 08:20 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Definitely.

Must of us here do fruiting conditions on day one now, it speeds things up a little.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27702218 - 03/20/22 08:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Definitely.

Must of us here do fruiting conditions on day one now, it speeds things up a little.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27702229 - 03/20/22 09:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Definitely.

Must of us here do fruiting conditions on day one now, it speeds things up a little.




Do people still get overlay problems when they do that? Or is it less common when you fruit on day one?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Panny] * 2
    #27702278 - 03/20/22 10:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

It won’t affect overlay, that seems to be mostly based on the genetics of each culture.


Fruiting right away works for all species too, they all seem to like it.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27704301 - 03/22/22 04:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Guys I need your help.

I've selected 3 nice tomentose Nat mycelia from the germ plate, and now the no. 1 is going slightly rhizo, no. 2 is staying tomentose but there is one provocative rhizo sector that appeared, and no. 3 also went slightly rhizo.

What should I do? Don't want to isolate a rhizo culture again just to have it perform like shit again. Should I just dump each plate into several grain jars and spawn a tub with them to select clones? I dont have the space to store a ton of cultures, but more than that I can't fruit many at once so the selection process would be extremely slow and painful to say the least.

What do you recommend? Should I only isolate the most non-rhizo sectors, or is slightly rhizo just fine? What can I expect? I know in terms of pheno I can expect anything, more interested in potency talk here.

Thanks.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] * 2
    #27704324 - 03/22/22 06:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ive been away from Shroomery since the beginning of January.

Any new information on Natalensis? Or certain things people have started applying to their grows etc?

Funnily enough Natalensis is all I've grown during my time away, just the same phenotype expanded on and on via G2G.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27704423 - 03/22/22 09:46 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Guys I need your help.

I've selected 3 nice tomentose Nat mycelia from the germ plate, and now the no. 1 is going slightly rhizo, no. 2 is staying tomentose but there is one provocative rhizo sector that appeared, and no. 3 also went slightly rhizo.

What should I do? Don't want to isolate a rhizo culture again just to have it perform like shit again. Should I just dump each plate into several grain jars and spawn a tub with them to select clones? I dont have the space to store a ton of cultures, but more than that I can't fruit many at once so the selection process would be extremely slow and painful to say the least.

What do you recommend? Should I only isolate the most non-rhizo sectors, or is slightly rhizo just fine? What can I expect? I know in terms of pheno I can expect anything, more interested in potency talk here.

Thanks.




Adas, I wish I did a better job tracking the performance of my tomentose vs rhizo vs tomentose+Rhizo-overlay plates to see how each one fruited. But I can offer this: I didn't really go past T1 or T2 on my MS plates before putting them to grain, and transfers were done solely for the purpose of selecting good clean growth - not specifically looking for Rhizo growth. Some plates were fairly rhizo and some weren't, but out of like 18 tubs I grew out, nearly all of them fruited very well (there were maybe 2 or 3 that produced a small amount of fruits while the rest were all canopies or very close). So I'm currently in the camp that it doesn't matter. Just go for the widest genetics possible and take your clone. All my clones are about a week into grain jars now so will post an update when they fruit.

@Guerrilla - I haven't seen anything new this year that I recall.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
    #27704430 - 03/22/22 10:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Adas, I would send the cultures and clone hunt. I think there's more to it than just rhizo vs tomentose, as it has not made much of a difference in my grows. Like Hindsight, I just send whatever is clean now.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #27704437 - 03/22/22 10:06 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I’ve still got some monumental overlay in my tubs. I put some of my LC to BRF pucks so I can hopefully get a super clean culture and see if they produce in vitro so I can at least take a little swab/clone.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27704449 - 03/22/22 10:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Thanks guys! I will send them then. One by one, because of my very limited growing and living conditions 😅


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] * 2
    #27704489 - 03/22/22 10:54 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The culture I had for a while that fruited well would be slightly rhizo looking on the plates. But a big difference was that it wouldn’t climb the walls and lid like my crazy overlay cultures did.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27704754 - 03/22/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Today I took what I believe to be a cube-natal cross to T2 agar plates, and some grains just to check state of cleanliness. Really looking forward to share this in 4-5 weeks. Mycelicum was weird looking.
Can't really know if the cross worked before fruits.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27705154 - 03/22/22 10:09 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Will you be able to tell after it fruits?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: san pedro guy] * 2
    #27705553 - 03/23/22 08:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hey y’all.  Been following this thread for about 6 months or so now and finally got to a place I could contribute…albeit more of the same.  I expanded a jar via g2g on 3/7 at which point I also spawned the little container that’s overlayed.  Today is day 15 so the jury is still out on this one.  The g2g jars got spawned 3/19 to the 66 qt tub.  This stuff is like lightning…..and then it’s like that foam stuff they put fires out at the airport with😂!  Anyways just jumping in…and thanks to all those who have made contributions to the science of getting this species to straighten up and act right!







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