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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27582661 - 12/15/21 02:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh wow, this thing is a natalensis too!

NPE incoming!






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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #27582696 - 12/15/21 03:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

whats the weight on that thing? Friggin gnar bra


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sandman420] * 2
    #27582711 - 12/15/21 03:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

It’s a melnat :lol:


There’s gotta be some connection between the genes for potency and blobbing/overlay and bumpy stems.

The only ones that stuff shows up in are known for potency.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27582719 - 12/15/21 03:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

yea gotta clone it and try to stabilize the pheno through spores, would be sick


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sandman420] * 1
    #27582722 - 12/15/21 03:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Letting it grow a bit more before weighing it

Gnarrrrrr


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27582842 - 12/15/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Man you gotta clone that thing. Multiple times just to be sure


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27583804 - 12/16/21 02:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Disappointed!



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27583875 - 12/16/21 03:56 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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sandman420 said:
Wow those are really fat. That's pretty unique for nat isn't it? They are usually very tall.




They might be Penis Envy. But hey, you have shrooms!

P. Natalensis is from South Africa. I wonder if you can just go out and hunt some. I would try if they lived where I live, even though I have some.

I can send you a slice of the one P. Nat print I have, if you want. I was going to send you some Tyvek or filter stickers anyway, since you said you can't get those there.



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Yeah those also look like cubes to me, but the colors of the caps make me think it's possible they are some fat nattys


I also have a giveaway going right now in the marketplace with 5 prints left I can definitely send you one




Mush love to both of you.  The region where Nats were found is about 1000 miles away from me so I can't easily collect them.  My account is still 9 days too young to get into the marketplace, I'll hit you up once I can obey the rules. 

I am so glad I finally have shrooms. I started mid October and this is my second attempt.  I agree that these did not look like Nats, that why I posted.  Here are some more pics.



The two bags produced quite different fruits.  Both were spawned 1:1 from suspected bacterial grains (1 pint each) inoculated from the same MSS from the local SA vendor. I'm not sure if you can see it but the stipes have the shiny satiny sheen that people have talked about for Nats and also the gills attach to the stipe like other pictures on the thread.  But otherwise they don't look like much else here. What is your final veridct? Nats or Not?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: schpat]
    #27583884 - 12/16/21 04:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like a penis envy variety to me, but this is purely guesswork territory.

We don't know the full extent of natalensis appearance and phenotype


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: schpat]
    #27583886 - 12/16/21 04:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Initially I’d say those are not very “Natalensis” like. I also agree the look a bit like PE. However, as I look closer I do see some resemblance.
The cap color (which can be quite variable) looks similar to a fair number of my phenotypes. My phenotypes look more like these when there is straw or manure in the substrate.
The Gill structure / attachment (adnate to decurent)  also looks like Natalensis.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
    #27583887 - 12/16/21 04:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

But my own natalensis looking like this confuses things:



PE look to the left

Obvious in this shot:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #27583888 - 12/16/21 04:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some weird fat nats that I’ve grown:



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
    #27583972 - 12/16/21 05:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that’s a tough one.


Lol psilo I went through the same process. Saw the thumbnail and thought “nah definitely cube” then blew up the picture and wasn’t so sure.

If they’re natalensis they’re definitely not the usual type we see. If they bruise green it would make it even weirder.


Those are exactly what I imagine natal crossed with a typical cube would look like.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27584030 - 12/16/21 06:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

K guis

That black is bluing you are seeing..it bruised.





Took 12 tissue samples

What will we call this strain?

I don't consider 63 wet great but let's say you got a canopy of these at least it will look good for bragging rights @ shroomery

So to stabilize, I take prints from the clones and see if they grow out this pheno?

Correct?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27584040 - 12/16/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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What will we call this strain?

I don't consider 63 wet great but let's say you got a canopy of these at least it will look good for bragging rights @ shroomery

So to stabilize, I take prints from the clones and see if they grow out this pheno?

Correct?




Blackanensis

A canopoy of those would look awesome.

I assume you need to grow the clones, print the most promising ones, grow from MS, print the most promising ones again, repeat over many generations until the phenotype is consistent from MS.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27584403 - 12/17/21 02:32 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hello dearfriends, may I ask for an opinion on this Nat transfers ?

I started from spores and took 3 transfers, the agar I'm using is grain water cintaininy brown rice , barley , whole oat gypsum diluted to 1 part gw to 4 parts water solution.

Which growth does it seem best to you ? I'm still trying to get experience with agar work,

Thank you all in advance ❤️



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: EnDelfisE]
    #27584410 - 12/17/21 03:19 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Hello dearfriends, may I ask for an opinion on this Nat transfers ?







I'm no expert, but my gut says just a little bottom right of the middle, like between the middle and 5 oclock, where it looks like frost / trees/ coral / lightning.

That's a beautiful and trippy plate. My avatar is P-Nat, not nearly as psychedelic as yours here.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990] * 1
    #27584760 - 12/17/21 11:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume you need to grow the clones, print the most promising ones, grow from MS, print the most promising ones again, repeat over many generations until the phenotype is consistent from MS.




I thought it went clone, print the most phenotypical, grow MS from that, clone the most phenotypical, repeat over and over again


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #27584806 - 12/17/21 11:48 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume you need to grow the clones, print the most promising ones, grow from MS, print the most promising ones again, repeat over many generations until the phenotype is consistent from MS.




I thought it went clone, print the most phenotypical, grow MS from that, clone the most phenotypical, repeat over and over again




Don't think you need to clone first, unless you are only doing so to keep a backup in-case the print fails for some reason (contams, sterile, lost, whatever) and you need to go back to that generation. Should just be able to: MS, Fruit, Print, Repeat. Saw someone recently skipping agar and grains to speed things up - spore print directly to BRF cake to fruit to print, repeat. Would save a lot of time assuming you can get nice clean prints (some bacteria would be ok but any type of fungal contams would mess this up). That is about the only time I think PF-Tek would actually be awesome to use - much faster. You skip agar and you skip grains. Just rub some spores on some cakes, enjoy the bacteria-resistance of BRF cakes, let the cakes fruit, select the most promising fruits and print them, then scrape the prints onto new BRF cakes and repeat until you get to the 7th generation and everything has well-stabilized. That is what I'm planning to do now with some white pans I have, and also with any stand-out nats I end up with. Currently moving about 15 different cultures of Nat from agar to grain.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
    #27584819 - 12/17/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

ah, okay good to know.

I suppose it makes sense: if you get a fruit you want to try to stabilize genetics from, no need to clone it and get a whole tub of them, might as well just collect directly from that fruit.

Stabilizing genetics is still a bit of a mystery to me. I think I'm going for a Nat cross with some different TAT varieties in the near future. Never tried to cross anything before


edit. @Hindsight, those white pans are the mild potency ones you have right?


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