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MojaveMyc
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
#27558221 - 11/26/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guerrilla: Without a doubt. It's only a matter of time.
ModularMind: Here's a plate pin from a clone culture I took from a fruit that turned green as it matured. I've got this culture fruiting now, I'll post in a few days whether or not the rest of the fruits turn out this way as well
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nektar61
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: angam]
#27558371 - 11/26/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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angam said: The luminous flux is no less important than the light temperature.Lighting occurs 12 hours a day.
Mine are 1680 LM each, but I have 4 of them. How many would you put above a few 16 quart minis, and how far above?
Thank you.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] 1
#27558402 - 11/26/21 12:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put a lamp on each tub, regardless of the size of the tub.The height above the lid is 30-40 cm .
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa]
#27558567 - 11/26/21 03:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: Nat's, Lovin the blue hue.


Bitch, please...


No for real. I was pleasently surprised seeing all the caps turning all shades of blue and green while drying.
I gave mine A LOT of air this time around (to the point of drying out, you can see the shrinkage) and now the mycelium just forms some sort of blobs instead of going crazy all over the place trying to crawl out and misbehave.

Some blobs are bigger than others, but nothing really special. I touched this big one repeatedly because it grew very early on and got my attention, but it did not grow to a size sufficient to be really special even though it is quite hard. Not worth cloning unfortunately.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: angam]
#27558815 - 11/26/21 07:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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angam said: I put a lamp on each tub, regardless of the size of the tub.The height above the lid is 30-40 cm .
Thank you. (and for 'Muricans, that's about 12 to 15 inches.)
and you do 12 hours on, 12 off, right? Not 6/6/6/6 or something?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
#27558819 - 11/26/21 07:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said: Mine go super fuckin blue. Got my prints from crackatoa. Have some clones on agar so looking forward to seeing how those turn out.
Ditto on all fronts (my nats also turn blue/greenish when maturing, i got my original print from Crackatoa, and I also have a few clones on agar and LC that I'll have to put on grain soon)
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Day 7 after swabbing six plates.... No growth yet. How was everyone's germ times?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: karri0n]
#27558942 - 11/26/21 10:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mine went fairly quick. It was a while ago now but I remember them being faster than any of my cubes... Did you bury any swab fuzz into the agar, or just swipe em?
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 My first Nat fruit
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: karri0n]
#27559031 - 11/27/21 12:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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karri0n said: Day 7 after swabbing six plates.... No growth yet. How was everyone's germ times?
I had issues with plates not germinating.
I raised the T° to 22°C (instead of 19°C) and a plate that wasn't doing anything for 20 days germinated, the ones swabbed 7 days ago germinated too. It's the only thing I changed, maybe that could do the trick for you too.
Some plates look contaminated (yellow spot), while others look good (white mycelium) - I'll confirm in front of the flowhood later today.
I did that after seeing nosf3r4tu's comments regarding T° on this thread.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Failboat]
#27559648 - 11/27/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said:
 My first Nat fruit
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Failboat]
#27559824 - 11/27/21 05:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks exactly like a bunch I got with a weird clone. Same shape.
I like how it’s clearing the condensation on the lid with the cap lol.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27559977 - 11/27/21 07:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm fucking ecstatic about the lil guy. I took stacks o transfers from rhizo growth on like teo plates, but for one of these overlay nonsense plates to pop a fruit seemingly saves me months of struggle. Time to pour some plates about it
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Failboat] 2
#27560140 - 11/27/21 11:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you fridgedoor for this lovely culture.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27560177 - 11/28/21 12:20 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome, love to see this! Happy growing DERRAYLD!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27560530 - 11/28/21 09:46 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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nektar61 said:
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keyesvlm said: .....I started from a spore print that seemed rather large for P. Natalensis ~2" diameter print, but the person that gave it to me insisted it was P. Natalensis, not the Natal cubensis,....
Is there a Natal cubensis? I thought Natal cubensis was some vendor mistakenly calling a Natalis print a variety of Cube, rather than its own species (before the genetic testing proved it a different species.)
Anyone know the full story on this?
There is a species called Natal Super Strength which is a variety on the cube. Psilocybe Natalensis is something different than Natal Super Strength
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Tegridy] 1
#27560635 - 11/28/21 11:18 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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You don't even know the difference between a species and a variety... They are the same thing! Period. How many times do we have to go through this?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27560638 - 11/28/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes I believe they are the same thing, species natalensis of genus Psilocybe
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Tegridy]
#27560724 - 11/28/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tegridy said:
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nektar61 said:
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keyesvlm said: .....I started from a spore print that seemed rather large for P. Natalensis ~2" diameter print, but the person that gave it to me insisted it was P. Natalensis, not the Natal cubensis,....
Is there a Natal cubensis? I thought Natal cubensis was some vendor mistakenly calling a Natalis print a variety of Cube, rather than its own species (before the genetic testing proved it a different species.)
Anyone know the full story on this?
There is a species called Natal Super Strength which is a variety on the cube. Psilocybe Natalensis is something different than Natal Super Strength
NO.
"Natal Super Strength" was a vendor mistakenly (or intentionally) selling Psilocybe natalensis spores as a variety of Psilocybe cubensis.
If you search it, the top results are all under that misconception: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Natal+Super+Strength
But a lot of people used to think this. Even the first few posts of this thread are working under that mistaken identity.
Alan Rockefeller sequenced the genetics and proved this wrong. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/OK491080
He says Psilocybe natalensis is, however, the closest species to Psilocybe cubensis sequenced so far.
All of has been discussed already on this thread. If anyone still thinks that Psilocybe natalensis is a "strain" (variety) of cube, they could go back and read the last 20 pages of this thread. Or use the advanced search and find the particular posts.
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nosf3r4tu said: You don't even know the difference between a species and a variety... They are the same thing! Period. How many times do we have to go through this?
NO.
A species can have many varieties. Golden Teacher and Penis Envy are both varieties of the species cubensis in the genus Psilocybe.
Varieties are commonly mis-called "strains" (especially by vendors). It's incorrect because you can have thousands of "strains" in a spore print. A strain is any two spores coming together.
A variety is a stabilized strain.
Here is a vendor (not a good one) describing "natal super strain" sure sounds like P-Nat: "Natal Super Strength - Psilocybe cubensis 'Natal Super Strength' is a very aggressive strain - the mycelium is rhizomorphic and colonises rapidly. This variety is one of the best to work with as genetics are absolutely great all around. Fruits Are Large And Intensely Blue, They're Super Potent."
Keep in mind unscrupulous vendors (including many that aren't vetted as trusted vendors here) often sell the same variety under several names, and often put photos of a completely different variety (or species) with the photo to get your money. And describe all varieties (which they call "strains") as "strong, huge, fast growing" etc.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27560766 - 11/28/21 01:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't need to be schooled. I already know this. (and a lot more) The previous poster doesn't know the difference between a species and a variety. "There is a species called Natal Super Strength which is a variety on the cube." The confusion used to be that NSS is a variety of cubensis. He got it all wrong.
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