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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27543337 - 11/14/21 04:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I also find them to be much stronger fresh than they are when dried.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27543597 - 11/14/21 08:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Guerrilla said:So small fruits opening their cap prematurely would indicate a need of more holes?




With me I think it's been from over-watering. So my note to self is to dial in field capacity when laying boxes. I even had a shoebox where that was the problem early on and after soaking for second flush, they got bigger.

I've also been told that cloning the biggest small fruit can yield bigger fruits in the clone grow.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla] * 3
    #27543604 - 11/14/21 08:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

6g fresh for a trip!? Damnnnnn!

My happy place is ~25g fresh with apes (tried 40g once, found my limit πŸ˜…).

I'll hold some fresh in the fridge.. Gotta make some time this week.

Started harvesting, I think maybe they need a bit more this, still not many dropping spore.



+ surgery on one of the blobs- it has a base like a shroom, interesting inside. I'll dry it and see if it's active.







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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27543605 - 11/14/21 09:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What wow thats a huge difference.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27543632 - 11/14/21 09:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Guerrilla said:So small fruits opening their cap prematurely would indicate a need of more holes?




With me I think it's been from over-watering. So my note to self is to dial in field capacity when laying boxes. I even had a shoebox where that was the problem early on and after soaking for second flush, they got bigger.

I've also been told that cloning the biggest small fruit can yield bigger fruits in the clone grow.




I definitely considered water to be an issue, as for some reason the nat surface pooled up slightly whereas every other tub with the same batch of coir had no issues, all had perfect surface conditions. I make every batch of coir the same. I didn't mist at all.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27543745 - 11/15/21 12:36 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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....for some reason the nat surface pooled up slightly ...




Maybe that overlay could be used industrially to waterproof boat hulls.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27543893 - 11/15/21 07:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I love ripping the overlay open where you can see the rhizo fingers.


It’s like if you sliced it thin enough you could set it on a plate and it would look like a fully grown transfer.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27544469 - 11/15/21 03:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll hold some fresh in the fridge.. Gotta make some time this week.





Doesn't this not work? I thought we were all in a hurry to dehydrate because psilocybin degrades so quickly.

If I'm wrong that is fuckin awesome because I would love to save fresh shrooms from some harvests that I can cook with when I'm ready for them. I have yet to have a harvest line up with me being ready to cook, eat and trip


Really cool looking blob btw it actually looks super meaty and totally consumable if it's active


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #27544492 - 11/15/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah they keep like store mush.. a few days

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27544558 - 11/15/21 04:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Best P-Nat jar, 4 days after 30 percent shake.

I have 2 of these. Should I send them to 4 shoeboxes when it's time? Or more, or less shoeboxes? I use Coir with a little verm, and may try poo on one of these. I have some that's field-cured, plus will pasturize it for an hour at 160.

Yes, those are fungus gnats on clear fly strips in the back. I think I finally got them all.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27544567 - 11/15/21 04:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a bit of a time-lapse and comparison with cubes. It's completely engulfed all of the pins... Standing firm on the genetic argument, everything I've read just confirms it even more. If you've got genes that are prone to the cauliflower myc, theres no hope of keeping at-bay with FAE. Doesn't care much about container size either. It should be putting the energy into pinning, but instead we get this mess:



Could explain where the other half of my yeilds are going. Maybe the trick is to select the thinner whispy mycelium. Also I too love the way the inside of the blobs look... Just a solid ball of myc fingers packed together. Mine will bruise almost black, I'd love to have it tested!

Any idea why it only does this the first 2 flushes?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #27544575 - 11/15/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

If any of these pins mature, I'll be trying them fresh & raw this time for sure then. Does anyone have a strain they'd be willing to share that doesn't go full-cauliflower?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Artemisia_Ale]
    #27544587 - 11/15/21 04:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I also think it’s genetic.

I ran my first culture and a couple clones from it sooo many times so many ways and it always had gnarly overlay.  Very potent but low yields.


Then I went back to spore and ran the most tomentose growth I could find and got a decent culture.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #27544629 - 11/15/21 05:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I've kept apes and things a week. Sucks when the shroom doesn't align with the free time. No noticeable diff.

Freezer was a disaster :smile:

I buy into the theory that psilocin is largely destroyed in drying, so I try and go fresh when I can. I also wonder about other compounds that might be destroyed, that's why I asked about nats.

I'm scared to dry my pans.. aside from them vanishing into nothing, legend says they're mostly psilocin. I dunno what to do with them. I want to try nats more and I can't do both... Mush problems :/


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga] * 2
    #27544666 - 11/15/21 05:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Pans dry to nothing and still blow your mind :awesomenod:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] * 2
    #27544676 - 11/15/21 06:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

When you mix up your micro with a pan capsule. Balls deep in a meeting and it starts feeling groovy....


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga] * 1
    #27544683 - 11/15/21 06:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I buy into the theory that psilocin is largely destroyed in drying...




Nope. If anything, maybe 5% or less.

I notice no difference from eating dried vs eating 10x weight of fresh with Cubes, except fresh are easier to choke down.

The thing I've heard is "You're more likely to lose shrooms from mold if you don't totally dry them than the amount of actives you lose from drying."

I have a friend in Texas who lost about an ounce of B+ dried (if it had dried) when that power failure happened last winter...power went off some hours into the dry. He checked and thought they were "dry enough", left them in the dehydrator thinking the power would come on soon.  A week later he had moldy horrible shrooms. He tossed them.

Using dehydrators is is probably also safer than fresh. Dehydrators on high are around 150 F, which is pasteurization  temp. So you're killing bacteria that might be there that you can't see.

If heat killed actives, making shroom tea with boiling water (52 degrees F hotter than dehydrator) would be inert, and it's not.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27544940 - 11/15/21 09:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I tea only, fresh or dried. Not so worried about heat as the change in trip feel:)

I dehydrate at 165, and run it till crispy. Moisture + oxidization is the enemy.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27544945 - 11/15/21 09:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure what to do with it, recase for the second flush? Leave it be? I trimmed back the myc a bit, not too deep.

This is the shroom equivalent of sloppy seconds πŸ™„


And yeah.. Sure why not right?



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
    #27544957 - 11/15/21 10:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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+ surgery on one of the blobs- it has a base like a shroom, interesting inside. I'll dry it and see if it's active.





That's beautiful (in an ugly way), and fascinating.
Anyone cloned those (or the overlay) yet?

P-Nat Enigma, anyone?

And what's the consistency of the inside of these blobs? Like stipes, harder, or gooey? Looks like could be any of those.


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