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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Tegridy]
#27513332 - 10/22/21 08:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice man that’s how they turn out with the overlay. You’ll get some good ones.
There’s definitely some fat genetics hiding in them psilo. I should’ve kept these PE type mutant cultures.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27513832 - 10/22/21 03:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fatties! Such variability, seems they’re is a big potential for special phenotypes selections!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: V.L]
#27513903 - 10/22/21 04:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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V.L said: Fatties! Such variability, seems they’re is a big potential for special phenotypes selections!
Nats are the new Cubes.
I'm betting on faht to do the first stable variety (beyond NSS, which, is that even a variety, or just a marketing term?)
Faht's Fhatty Fhat Nats.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] 2
#27513926 - 10/22/21 04:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol I haven’t even grown Nats out yet.. I have a couple cakes taking their sweet time but that PE/nat double swab is gonna sit for a bit.. I’ve got too much on my plate
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: fahtster]
#27513998 - 10/22/21 05:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope I get my cultures going quickly this attempt. Had good rhizo growth to select.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: fahtster]
#27514175 - 10/22/21 07:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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MIGHT FUZZY FEET BE A GOOD THING?
(This question is for cubes, but probably also Nats.)
I'm asking on this thread before posting elsewhere since we've been discussing MAOIs.
So, the fuzz in the fuzzy feet is mycelium, right?
Cubes contain very little MAOIs, but mycelium contains some. (mentioned here, confirmed via email with A-Rock.)
So wouldn't fuzzy feet be a good thing, not a bad thing? Wouldn't fuzzy feet be naturally occurring self-contained psilohuasca?
Anyone have a lot of experience eating fuzzy-foot shrooms? Do they last longer / act stronger? Is this a discussed thing already?
I see people here telling people to avoid fuzzy feet, because it means lack of FEA or water, right? That is, the mushrooms aren't as healthy as can be, thus probably smaller size, less potent, and fewer flushes? (correct me if I'm wrong).
But can fuzzy feet also be genetic? If so, maybe that would be good to be selected for? Do people do this?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] 1
#27514330 - 10/22/21 08:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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It’s very often genetic. The KSSS that I grow always has big fuzzy feet no matter how much FAE I give it. As for how the trip compares, that’s difficult for me to say because the same harvest will give me different trips depending on many different variables,
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] 1
#27514358 - 10/22/21 09:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Based on the knowledge that mycelium contains a much higher percentage of harmala alkaloids than the fruit bodies, I'm making the assumption that fuzzy feet might actually be beneficial in some small way unless I hear evidence otherwise.
That said, I am certainly not going to be starving my mushrooms of air, or doing anything differently at all, in an attempt to get more fuzz. As noted above, it's often genetic anyhow.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27514522 - 10/22/21 11:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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From A-Rock, the posting of Natty DNA on nih dot gov: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/OK465453
It's all Geek to me, but historically important. And good to bookmark for people who still think Nats are a Cube variety.
NOTICE: It's a government website, so wear a condom while visiting it.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27514587 - 10/23/21 01:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would think that if there were a significant MAOI content then not only would the nat trips be stronger than your average cube, as others have reported, but they should also last much longer as well.
I'm yet to see anyone say they had an intense 6+hr natty trip on 2 gram or something
It would be nice to be able grow a variety that can be a "self-contained psilohuasca".... somebody should do some work on that... perhaps engineer an E.coli strain that will produce Psilocybin and Harmine
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: UnderNose]
#27514616 - 10/23/21 02:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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UnderNose said: It would be nice to be able grow a variety that can be a "self-contained psilohuasca".... somebody should do some work on that...
Yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. If no one else does, maybe I will after I get a lot better at the basics. I think the easiest would be to select for very fuzzy feet. :-}
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UnderNose said: perhaps engineer an E.coli strain that will produce Psilocybin and Harmine 
Ha ha. Well, maybe.
I started a thread last year about making psilo with yeast or E. coli and CRISPR. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26959697
Way beyond my brain grade, but I'm sure there's someone on here who could.
I think I posted that after reading about some big pharama trying to do that on an industrial scale and patent it (how the fuck else will they make money at something anyone can grow, once it's legal?)
I think they can do it now but it's WAY more expensive than growing or even synthisizing it. But there is CRISPR if any mad lads on here want to fuck around with it.
Actually though, I am loving growing shrooms so much that if someone gave me a lifetime supply of Sandoz shroom alkaloid pills, I'd still fucking grow shrooms.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27514626 - 10/23/21 03:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Congratulations Tegrity!

This one is a bit trickier than your standard cube so don’t feel bad about a bit of a learning curve - and celebrate those initial wins!
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Hey Folks Looking for a bit of dosing advice. I have never eaten any of my Natalensis. Based on the reports here and a few from friends I’ve given them to - they are obviously potent (roughly 2 x stronger than your average cube) and give a qualitatively different / better trip. My son (24) and 4-5 of his friends are planning to trip together and he’s asked me for supplies. My sense is they want kind of a party dose - trippy but not melt your face and traverse the cosmos in your astral body! So a solid dose, but also manageable and social. They are all experienced. I’m thinking I’ll recommend 1.25-1.5 grams unless someone wants to go deep in which case I’d say 2-2.5 grams. What do you guys think?
Maybe I should just get down to business and eat a gram and a half! It’s about time I joined the Natalensis Rider’s Society!
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PsiloPsychIn said: Hey Folks Looking for a bit of dosing advice. I have never eaten any of my Natalensis. Based on the reports here and a few from friends I’ve given them to - they are obviously potent (roughly 2 x stronger than your average cube) and give a qualitatively different / better trip. My son (24) and 4-5 of his friends are planning to trip together and he’s asked me for supplies. My sense is they want kind of a party dose - trippy but not melt your face and traverse the cosmos in your astral body! So a solid dose, but also manageable and social. They are all experienced. I’m thinking I’ll recommend 1.25-1.5 grams unless someone wants to go deep in which case I’d say 2-2.5 grams. What do you guys think?
Maybe I should just get down to business and eat a gram and a half! It’s about time I joined the Natalensis Rider’s Society!
Well they can have varying potency depending on the culture like with any other mushroom. They tend to be mostly strong but I've seen people on here say they grew weak nats. Test them yourself before dishing out the goods.
I for some reason have a naturally high tolerance for mushrooms. I don't take them often at all. But when I do, they do very very little. I don't get visuals, usually just some slight mood improvements and feel a bit fried. I've taken 10gs of strong shrooms and nothing happened, while everybody else tripped hard from 2gs of the same batch. When I do take shrooms I mostly just take 3-4gs so I can be in a nice mood for a while.
Yesterday I had my first dose of Natalensis, only 6g fresh so around 0.6g or less dry. I really wasn't expecting much with such a low dose and with my high tolerance. 1.5hrs went by and I totally forgot I'd even taken them. I guess after the first hour I was just like meh, just as I expected, nothing. After about 1.5-2hr I was walking around and they just kicked in haaaard. I felt waaaay more than I did on any high dose of regular cubensis. Fucked me good.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
#27514716 - 10/23/21 07:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I’d say 1.5 would be a good dose based on the ones I’ve had. That way on the off chance they’re on the weaker side it should still be a good time, but still not enough to overdo it for an experienced tripper if they’re strong.
Sounds like mixing myc and fruits together might be interesting with these. I’m definitely gonna try just mycelium my next batch coming up.
There’s some Melmak phenos that have fuzz half way up the stems too. A lot of cubes will have maybe 1/2” on the bottom especially if it’s a cluster and I usually peel it off but maybe I’ll start leaving it.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: UnderNose]
#27514772 - 10/23/21 08:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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UnderNose said: I would think that if there were a significant MAOI content then not only would the nat trips be stronger than your average cube, as others have reported, but they should also last much longer as well.
I'm yet to see anyone say they had an intense 6+hr natty trip on 2 gram or something
It would be nice to be able grow a variety that can be a "self-contained psilohuasca".... somebody should do some work on that... perhaps engineer an E.coli strain that will produce Psilocybin and Harmine 
So I specifically remember reading one post in here where a member talked about how they (OP sorry if I butcher this in the retelling) are cautious with nats due to the very fact that the trip is so much longer for them. This was during the time in here when there was a lot of talk about how different and positive the nat trips are. This member’s take was that when nat trips go south it can be extra difficult because unlike cubes, these last so much longer.
Granted this is only one post out of many reported trips, and one would think that more of a pattern would have emerged by now so maybe the extra length is something unique to this member. At any rate, now that I’m finishing up my APE grows I’m super excited to get on this train and put the print I have had laying around for a couple months to use and experience what everyone has been talking about myself
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: silosound]
#27514790 - 10/23/21 09:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was me. Most of my experiences on these have been around 8 or 9 hours, though much shorter and weaker when I brew them into tea. When I take cubes, I’m usually sober within 4-6 hours.
I’ve really had a hard time recommending doses to the people I share these with. It seems most feel the same way as I do about them (2g is more than enough). Though I have two friends that despite my best efforts, get very little from natalensis. Multiple grows, different cultures, different prints. They get everyone else going, but these two swear they feel like weak cubes even at 6g+. I feel body chemistry has to play a part here, but I don’t know enough to speak in absolutes
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc]
#27514812 - 10/23/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, sweet. Thanks for chiming in again. That’s really interesting… I’m curious, in the people you’ve shared these with, have any others also reported such a long trip? I’ve had a few cube trips go for 6ish hours but usually I’m mostly back to normal within 4-5. 8-9 hours seems wild
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27514862 - 10/23/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: There’s some Melmak phenos that have fuzz half way up the stems too. A lot of cubes will have maybe 1/2” on the bottom especially if it’s a cluster and I usually peel it off but maybe I’ll start leaving it.
You peel it off? It's all part of the mush, I like my Melmac fuzzy
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: silosound]
#27514883 - 10/23/21 10:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The two that find them weak said their experiences were over in about 4 hours. Everyone else has reported a long trip. The experience is usually gentle enough that I really don’t mind the duration, and I feel it makes these a better choice for recreational trips.
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